WNPL Round 4

[Journeyman]

Cumberland United vs Metro United WFC Metro to continue their unbeaten start to the season
Para Hills Knights vs West Adelaide A potentially dour affair.
Sturt Marion vs Fulham United Fulham to add further misery to a depleted Sturt side
Adelaide University vs Adelaide City City finally found where the goal is. Expect that to continue

[united92]

Cumberland United vs Metro United WFC Metro to continue their unbeaten start to the season
Para Hills Knights vs West Adelaide A potentially dour affair.
Sturt Marion vs Fulham United Fulham to add further misery to a depleted Sturt side
Adelaide University vs Adelaide City City finally found where the goal is. Expect that to continue

Hit the nail on the head I think.

[AWA]

Cumberland United 0 vs Metro United WFC 5 Metro to give Cumby a football lesson
Para Hills Knights 0 vs West Adelaide 3 West won't like losing last week so reaction coming.
Sturt Marion 0 vs Fulham United 4 Fulham to add further misery to a depleted Sturt side - yep
Adelaide University 2 vs Adelaide City 4 City finally found where the goal is. Expect that to continue - yep again

[RAP300]

Cumberland United 1 vs Metro United WFC 5
Para Hills Knights 1 vs West Adelaide 2
Sturt Marion 0 vs Fulham United 2
Adelaide University 2 vs Adelaide City 2

[juniorsupporter]

AWA wins the prize this week I reckon...

[the barbarian]

For those not at the wnpl games friday night, A situation occured during the WA v PH game, where i have been advocating for a number of years there should be an interchange rule at all levels of soccer it is a duty of care issue and an occupational health and safety issue. A Situation occured where the PH GK, picked up the ball, and as one of the WA players was walking away. the GK accidently Kicked the ball into the Back of the WA players head, she colapsed, play was stopped and player received treatment, came off the pitch but a few minutes later was able to return as player seemed ok. The player involved had scored the first goal earlier in game, and was playing very well, about 10 or so min later after the incident the same player nearly scored again her shot deflected of the post and another player taped ball in for second goal to WA. as they were heading back to centre the same player colapsed again probably suffering from delayed concussion which it was diagnosed later when she went to hospital along with a bit of whiplash/headache and her neck was put in a brace as a precaution. This could have been a very serious head injury, Unfortunately as there is no interchange rule, coaches are generally not wanting to sub any players, especially early in games unless it is obvious they cannot continue.
However If there was an interchange rule, then the player could have come of, interchanged, been better observed and accessed for 10 to 15 m and if able to return then interchanged back on, but as this is currently not an option coaches are loath to use a sub so early in the game.
As I have mentioned many times in the past IMO there are many good reasons why there should be an interchange rule at all levels of the game. But I have not heard many good reasons why there should not be interchange. If anyone has good reason for not allowing interchange, please share them as for other than Tradition I cannot see the benefits of not having interchange but many good reasons why it should exist.
If nothing else there should be a special interchage rule for possible head injuries and assessment of them.

[panaj]

Totally agree with your comments barbarian.
Its time for the ffa and the ffsa to act now and change the interchange rule for the safety of all players.
I also encourage the same interchange rules as they do in the reserves. Fantastic rule and also it can ensure players stay in the game longer as some get shitty when sitting on the bench time after time.
I reckon soccer should get with the modern times.

[Danny Way]

+1. We are not even talking about the top level of womens football in this state!

[juniorsupporter]

Just a question- are you all suggesting this change just for the WNPL? Or for the NPL as well?

[Troll]

I saw the knock.. Anyone with any sense would know that that girl shouldn't have gone back on. She was substituted off anyway. Because of the stupidity of one Physio we have to change the rules??? The rules stand for FIFA organisations all over the world.. The pre madonnas in Adelaide will survive

[God is an Englishman]

If anyone has good reason for not allowing interchange, please share them as for other than Tradition .

You say you want a good reason and then you give the best one of all of them. Football is played with substitutes, not with interchange. It's bad enough that the top level allows 3 to be used and 7 to be named.

Can someone give me a good reason why we can't use our hands as well as our feet? Why don't you get a point for missing? The goals are too small? Why do we use a round ball?

[Worthless Gobemouche]

It would appear that the player concerned suffered an unfortunate injury and I truly hope she recovers quickly. How the introduction of interchange would have avoided the eventual 'delayed concussion' eludes me.

I would suggest that the poor sideline diagnosis is more of an issue for discussion here than the topic regarding the I introduction of the interchange rule at WNPL level. Now, I'm pretty sure that the FFSA does not have a mandatory 1 week medical time our rule for players who've suffered concussion ( happy to be corrected if I'm incorrect ) so it will be interesting to see if the player concerned starts next Wednesday night.

Injuries and the like are part of the game. Head injuries and their subsequent side effects though are a different kettle of fish to torn muscles and the like. Always error on the side of caution has been my rule and remove the player from the game regardless if the match in 20 minutes old and she has a goal and assist to her name.

Interchange is a bandaid solution and diversionary discussion to the real issue here and I thought the more professional people at WA would realize this. As for the introduction of the rule so as to keep more females interested in the game...well, it doesn't seem to be holding back the male version of the sport at the equivalent level. Why do we need it at the women's level ?

[M@rvin]

Do coaching staff need to do any concussion courses?

Over in the USA coaches can do a concussion course for youth soccer, http://www.cdc.gov/headsup/youthsports/training/
This course is mandated by some states before you can coach.

They also state "Once players are suspected of having a concussion they must sit out of play for at least 24 hours. A player diagnosed with a possible concussion may return to US Youth Soccer play only after release from a licensed medical doctor specializing in concussion treatment and management"

[juniorsupporter]

I attended the concussion session at the club conference in February. It was conducted by James Ilic, Mathildas team physician who is based at Wakefield. It was very informative. They handed out a concussion assessment rubric. Also showed film of concussion occurrences on the Pitch. Unfortunately there were maybe 10 people there from all clubs in all FFSa competitions, mostly trainers. No coaches. I think that sort of training would have come in handy Friday night from the sounds of it.

Education in concussion prevention, management and treatment should be mandatory for all coaches, trainers and managers.

As for interchange, if that were to be implemented in the women's game and not the men's (and good luck with that) it would set women's football back immeasurably.

I don't think it will be long, however, before we see FIFA make some sort of adjustment to accommodate what we now know and are continuing to learn about the complex issue of head injuries in sport.

[ball_girl]

Perhaps instead of looking to move to a standard interchange rule there needs to be some kind of 'injury interchange' so teams could replace an injured player for a period of 10-15 minutes, and then the injured player can return to the field if they are cleared...

[United We Stand]

+1. We are not even talking about the top level of womens football in this state!

The level of football is totally irrelevant. The real issue is how do we best deal with the ever increasing problem of head injuries?
Every coach should be compelled to attend short courses on concussion as expressed on this forum. That should be a mandatory part of a coach's certification as it is in the USA. Increased awareness of head injuries is only the start. It could very well be that,as already suggested, that a special adjustment be made where interchange is allowed for a player who goes off with a head injury. While they are off for fifteen minutes to be checked out, a substitution can be made so that the team is not penalised by playing with a man short. If the injured player is cleared, they can return to the field. I don't know if that is the best approach, but it does seem sensible to me.

[God is an Englishman]

+1. We are not even talking about the top level of womens football in this state!

The level of football is totally irrelevant. The real issue is how do we best deal with the ever increasing problem of head injuries?
Every coach should be compelled to attend short courses on concussion as expressed on this forum. That should be a mandatory part of a coach's certification as it is in the USA. Increased awareness of head injuries is only the start. It could very well be that,as already suggested, that a special adjustment be made where interchange is allowed for a player who goes off with a head injury. While they are off for fifteen minutes to be checked out, a substitution can be made so that the team is not penalised by playing with a man short. If the injured player is cleared, they can return to the field. I don't know if that is the best approach, but it does seem sensible to me.

Why would the coach need to attend that course? That's what the trainer is there for.

[magicfootball1]

Do coaching staff need to do any concussion courses?

Over in the USA coaches can do a concussion course for youth soccer, http://www.cdc.gov/headsup/youthsports/training/
This course is mandated by some states before you can coach.

They also state "Once players are suspected of having a concussion they must sit out of play for at least 24 hours. A player diagnosed with a possible concussion may return to US Youth Soccer play only after release from a licensed medical doctor specializing in concussion treatment and management"

Isnt the WA coach and Physio suppose to be experienced enough to know this ? Very poor if true, Do NOT PLAY concussed players, simple rule.