Health of the junior Clubs

[Left Wing Back]

Clubs which have 2 teams in U13 and U15 each age group and a single team in U17

Para Hills East 5, Fulham 5

Clubs which have at least a team in every age group

Adelaide Uni 4, Adelaide City 4, South Adelaide 3, Metro United 3, Jaguars 3

Clubs that have more than one team

Campbeltown 2, comets 2, para hills 2, Gawler 2, Cumberland 3 (missing U17)

Clubs with single teams

Parahills Knights, Adelaide Blue Eagles, Cobras, Stirling District, Sturt Marion

All up 43 teams in the juniors.

The list is also testament to the development clubs of the League who will grow the womens competition yearly. keep the Girls/Womens growing.

[Danny Way]

Interesting to note that 6/7 weeks into the season , both Fulham and Para Hills East apparently forfeited their U17s game last weekend.

[SAD GAL]

On life support. Plug about to be pulled

[Steelinho]

Interesting to note that 6/7 weeks into the season , both Fulham and Para Hills East apparently forfeited their U17s game last weekend.

Fulham forfeit their game to assist their reserves side, who required extra players to make a full squad.

Not sure about Para Hills, however.

[johnydep]

Interesting to note that 6/7 weeks into the season , both Fulham and Para Hills East apparently forfeited their U17s game last weekend.

Makes the one round league look even more ridiculous (if that's possible).

I still have not received an answer to why the U17 league could not be a 2 round league. There are no valid reasons, other than ... I'm not going to say it.

[M@rvin]

Have been told that after all teams have played each other once the U17's may be split in two or left and more rounds will be played.
Also the PHE U17 game has been rescheduled.

[johnydep]

Have been told that after all teams have played each other once the U17's may be split in two or left and more rounds will be played.
Also the PHE U17 game has been rescheduled.

I've been told the same. But that is ridiculous. Why not just play each team twice, like every other junior league in the State.

Para Hills East 0:3 Gawler http://www.sportingpulse.com/comp_info. ... =0&a=ROUND

[M@rvin]

This is being done as in previous years some U17 teams were getting beaten by a lot of goals.

[Worthless Gobemouche]

On life support. Plug about to be pulled

Hopefully you're referring to your access to any computer and not the Womens Game.

SAD GAL, clearly you've had a lot to do with the womens game. I'm assuming as a player and then possibly some administrator or coaching role perhaps. Somewhere along the line, you've become disgruntled and disillusioned with the state of the game in SA ( only a guess ) Going on some of your posts when you were a Glad Gal, I assume you've been around the womens game far longer than most.

Some of us are relatively 'new' to the womens game. Personally, I've been involved in football as either a player, coach or administrator for 40 odd years, mostly in the mens game. I've recently become involved in the womens game at the bequest of my neice who is still in her teenage years but playing at a reasonable level.

I've read these forums for some time and I have to say I find the negativity which consumes you overwhelming. My neice calls it trolling ( what ever that means ) Yes, I've hit a few brick walls since ive been involved in this side of the game ( womens FFSA ) but unless there is another competition open to girls and women in SA which i'm not aware of, we must make do with the best we have. Are you proposing we all just give up ? Stop being involved ? Perhaps discourage any 8 year old girl from taking up the game because the administrators cant get it right ? ( try explaining that to an U/11 team ) If you chanelled all your negativity you hold for the game here in SA and put it to good use ( maybe coach a team, perhaps you do, I don't know, or even get on a clubs committee or become a delegate ) maybe you could help bring about a change.

Before I became involved , I did research here about the womens game and if I based my decision on what I read from you, I wouldn't have even bothered. God knows how many others have been discouraged from getting involved after reading your negative and vitriolic posting.

[johnydep]

This is being done as in previous years some U17 teams were getting beaten by a lot of goals.

Really? How many teams and how many goals?

Why is this done for the U17 Women's league and not any of the other age groups?

Come on. That's a really poor reason to change a league structure. Especially when those girls need all the game time possible to prepare for the following year.

Poor form!

[wilyaroo]

+1 WG.

[nila11]

Try to change the structure of league is favorable but not sufficient for the betterment of
the club.Major change will be required.Ya women should be informed for preparation by the authority first of all.

[abbie's keeper]

++1 WG

I tried to tell him / her the same thing recently but you have put it much more eli
quantly

[Left Wing Back]

To clarify on the PHESC U17.

3 girls represented South Australia for the Catholic Schools soccer and 3 Girls Had representative AFL monthly training. Very hard to put a team on the field with that. Just like the greek easter. would have been nice of sacsa to have there tournament at the end of the season but thats the way it goes.

the 31 under 15's girls in PHESC were unable to attend as Fulham rescheduled the game to 12 oclock to assist there reserves and both games clashed. A long way to gawler from there. other wise they would have filled in 3 girls would have given 11 on the field.

But Danny thankyou for the comment anyway

[Left Wing Back]

Worthless I think you find SAD GAL has walked away and is not involved in the womens game, Left a few years back I was told. Maybe wrong but is a shame nothing positive comes from the posts as some of us are trying our best and putting in the effort to make a successful competition. remembering there is no ametures in the junior womens competition so it has to be for begineers and advance. Too many focus on the elites and not all the girls that want to play. Thats why we have 70 girls registered U13-U17 and training at least 5 ontop of this (most are begineers at age 13,14 and 15).

[Danny Way]

To clarify on the PHESC U17.

3 girls represented South Australia for the Catholic Schools soccer and 3 Girls Had representative AFL monthly training. Very hard to put a team on the field with that. Just like the greek easter. would have been nice of sacsa to have there tournament at the end of the season but thats the way it goes.

the 31 under 15's girls in PHESC were unable to attend as Fulham rescheduled the game to 12 oclock to assist there reserves and both games clashed. A long way to gawler from there. other wise they would have filled in 3 girls would have given 11 on the field.

But Danny thankyou for the comment anyway

Not having a go at anybody here, just trying to fill in some gaps in my knowledge.

So what is the difference in circumstances that result in a forfeit, to those that result in a postponement on a given day when you do not enough players to fill a team?
I ask this because I note that there has been at least one postponement in the U15 girls competition this year, due to player non availability on the day I believe.

[here we go]

To clarify on the PHESC U17.

3 girls represented South Australia for the Catholic Schools soccer and 3 Girls Had representative AFL monthly training. Very hard to put a team on the field with that. Just like the greek easter. would have been nice of sacsa to have there tournament at the end of the season but thats the way it goes.

the 31 under 15's girls in PHESC were unable to attend as Fulham rescheduled the game to 12 oclock to assist there reserves and both games clashed. A long way to gawler from there. other wise they would have filled in 3 girls would have given 11 on the field.

But Danny thankyou for the comment anyway

Not having a go at anybody here, just trying to fill in some gaps in my knowledge.

So what is the difference in circumstances that result in a forfeit, to those that result in a postponement on a given day when you do not enough players to fill a team?
I ask this because I note that there has been at least one postponement in the U15 girls competition this year, due to player non availability on the day I believe.

Surely somewhere in the competion rules that's clearly defined

[Left Wing Back]

Gawler agreed with a postponement. However a memo came out less than a fortnight ago to all clubs that to achieve a postponement a 24 hour notice period to FFSA and the other club with a defined date of the rescheduled match was not reached therefore a forfeit was deemed by FFSA. That's the rules and we got caught out by 4 hours on notifying the appropriate way. Therefore Gawler 3 PHESC 0. It is plain and simple in black and white. For PHESC they got caught out as the 3 girls in SACSA (South Australian Catholic Schools Association) state soccer team only arrived back lunch time on Saturday from there flight and had pulled up too sore otherwise there would have been a team. Also with Fulham changing there kick off time on the U15's we were not able to get 3 players to help before the game started. That's just the way it goes. Unfortunately FFSA and SACSA run at the same time. The SACSA Girls had played 6 games of soccer that week I was told.

[Danny Way]

Gawler agreed with a postponement. However a memo came out less than a fortnight ago to all clubs that to achieve a postponement a 24 hour notice period to FFSA and the other club with a defined date of the rescheduled match was not reached therefore a forfeit was deemed by FFSA. That's the rules and we got caught out by 4 hours on notifying the appropriate way. Therefore Gawler 3 PHESC 0. It is plain and simple in black and white. For PHESC they got caught out as the 3 girls in SACSA (South Australian Catholic Schools Association) state soccer team only arrived back lunch time on Saturday from there flight and had pulled up too sore otherwise there would have been a team. Also with Fulham changing there kick off time on the U15's we were not able to get 3 players to help before the game started. That's just the way it goes. Unfortunately FFSA and SACSA run at the same time. The SACSA Girls had played 6 games of soccer that week I was told.

Thanks for filling in the gaps. Much appreciated.

One more question please,

Does the other club have to agree to the postponement ?

[Left Wing Back]

Now that question has got me stumped, I am not sure I have read that, I guess they could as it states it must be agreed as one of the criteria, However it would be up to the club. The only question is what would be the back lash to not agree on the postponement. I know when clubs have had things like that happen they don't do any favours in return the next time. It is respect to assist another club as it is easy to reschedule with good planning especially if you are out of the cup.

For our league the orthodox Easter will always cause an issue and if the other team didn't agree then a third of our clubs would have to forfeit. Not fair on the girls as the league respects the Christian Easter. So we will always accommodate and if we have a few to catch up we will rent burton park to have a night game. Not cheap but that's the way it goes.

Hope that answers your question. We have learnt from the U17 game

[BillShankly]

disappointing to see such low numbers in the championships over the weekend
only 4 teams in under 16s and 3 in under 14s and a junior 'open' age group.
whilst all the boys age groups had very healthy numbers

is interest in the tournament fading?
or are we deluding ourselves in the actual growth and participation in lower levels of the game?

[mccormickbl]

On the State Championships held this weekend it was the first time ever (or at least as long as I've been involved) that there were three age groups for the girls. There has only ever been two! Clearly girls' numbers are growing.... Having said that, nearly all areas were from regional SA. Clearly things are going well in the country. Great to see...

[BillShankly]

Very good to see with the country areas

Barrett Reserve is a quality facility as well for the ffsa.
Will be great to see in a couple of weeks time when the SAPSASA tournament is held down there as well.

[Hamstring]

Womens football is in crisis in SA.

Womens football was one of the fastest growing sectors in Australian sport. Now it is going backwards. Many clubs are in crisis and are on the bones of their .......

Since it has come under the wing of the FFSA it has gone backwards very quickly. There was a shift in focus towards excellence and they have forgotten the reason why girls want to play football.

Womens football needs to understand that the majority of players are coming out to have fun. It needs to be treated more like an amateur competition with a much stronger community focus and much less of a focus on excellence and much less of a focus on producing future Matildas. Otherwise there is going to be no competition left. Young girls are leaving the sport in droves.

Wake up and smell the roses.

[SAD GAL]

Spot on. Too late

Womens football is in crisis in SA.

Womens football was one of the fastest growing sectors in Australian sport. Now it is going backwards. Many clubs are in crisis and are on the bones of their .......

Since it has come under the wing of the FFSA it has gone backwards very quickly. There was a shift in focus towards excellence and they have forgotten the reason why girls want to play football.

Womens football needs to understand that the majority of players are coming out to have fun. It needs to be treated more like an amateur competition with a much stronger community focus and much less of a focus on excellence and much less of a focus on producing future Matildas. Otherwise there is going to be no competition left. Young girls are leaving the sport in droves.

Wake up and smell the roses.

[The General]

When the competition was still known as SAWSA, I tried ( as a Board Member ) for 3 years, to remind them that that competition is there for everyone.

Several times I made that comment at committee meetings, and I also said that Presentation Nights, all you heard about was the Premier League, all State teams / SASI / Development squads , the rest of the clubs were always made to feel irrelevant. Unfortunately I was up against it, Shirley Brown, Bev O Brien, Wendy Carter it was all about the elite

Having been out of the women's game for a few years now I do miss it, hope to get back involved again one day, and like others I am sad,not so much with the standard, but with the way it is being run, and the continual attitude of some clubs to nuture only trophy winning teams ( even if it requires ap poaching players ) , at all levels.

[Left Wing Back]

Clubs which have 2 teams in U13 and U15 each age group and a single team in U17

Para Hills East 5, Fulham 5

Clubs which have at least a team in every age group

Adelaide Uni 4, Adelaide City 4, South Adelaide 3, Metro United 3, Jaguars 3

Clubs that have more than one team

Campbeltown 2, comets 2, para hills 2, Gawler 2, Cumberland 3 (missing U17)

Clubs with single teams

Parahills Knights, Adelaide Blue Eagles, Cobras, Stirling District, Sturt Marion

All up 43 teams in the juniors.

The list is also testament to the development clubs of the League who will grow the womens competition yearly. keep the Girls/Womens growing.

Sorry this is no longer correct as Fulham has removed there under 17 team. There is only one club with 5 teams in the junior completion PHESC

[Left Wing Back]

Spot on. Too late

Womens football is in crisis in SA.

Womens football was one of the fastest growing sectors in Australian sport. Now it is going backwards. Many clubs are in crisis and are on the bones of their .......

Since it has come under the wing of the FFSA it has gone backwards very quickly. There was a shift in focus towards excellence and they have forgotten the reason why girls want to play football.

Womens football needs to understand that the majority of players are coming out to have fun. It needs to be treated more like an amateur competition with a much stronger community focus and much less of a focus on excellence and much less of a focus on producing future Matildas. Otherwise there is going to be no competition left. Young girls are leaving the sport in droves.

Wake up and smell the roses.

This is actually very much right as a make it or break it system is being created within the league, only a few clubs are truly developing this league.

[juniorsupporter]

I don't see why it has to be one or the other- out to have fun or striving to play at the highest level. There should be avenues for both types of player.