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My boy who plays u 10s has really gone backwards in his develoPment in the last 12 months.
His skills have seemingly deteriorated.
Things he could do in u8s , including dribbling past players and shooting well at goals, seem like a distant memory. Back then he played striker but since changing clubs has rarely been given a chance to play this position for meaningful periods.
He has lost his passion for the game - which is a shame because he is reasonably talented. (future wise he would be potentially , at best, an SA state league ,possibly NPL Player IF
all the planets aligned. (ie I'm not deluded into suggesting he is of professional potential.
His club coach usually plays him in defence - which my boy dislikes- but occasionally gives him
some "token minutes" up front.
On those rare occasions up front, he seems to have forgotten what made him effective two years earlier.
Does anyone do some personal one - on- one training, focussing on his striker skills?
And also how much it would cost per session.
Probably looking at 5 or so sessions .
He hates being played out of preferred position but needs to improve his striking skills.
The current coaches son, who has been pushed up a year, has a mortgage on the striker position,
and so we will just mark time this season before changing clubs next season , assuming he regains his enthusiasm. (after all $800 has already gone down the pizser for this years fees.
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Unfortunately, get used to it. Many kids suffer because of coaches with their sons playing preffered positions. And it's all about their sons. Some don't want to let go and coach their kids most if their junior careers. And push their own kids up as much as they can.
As for the coaching, there's time to switch, look for a coach that's passionate about a kid succeeding in development and hopefully one day being a senior player. Not many club's do the right thing when it comes to juniors, There's not many good coaches around though that really understand the game for junior developement. In the age group your lads in, it's about technique and skill level. If he's not getting this, bite the bullet and leave before it's to late.
You also might want to look at private clinics, jeff Napier, Drago klajic and Ernie longo are pretty good for private learning.
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Going to be honest here; 9 years old and lost his passion for the game? Wow! If that's the case, sounds like he's only playing for dad.
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Not sure if your post is authentic ???
If it is .......... there are several fatal flaws in your statement.

Firstly, u10 is smaller sided football to include the most important factor - FUN! possibly explaining why he has lost the passion for the game.

Secondly, for you to make any assumption that talent can be identified for future adult football at u10 is naive.

Thirdly, if I am understanding this correctly, you are considering changing clubs for a 3rd time next year. Continuity is very important at a young age as your son will develop friendships, trust & confidence. All the important ingredients that can be used in general life. Changing clubs so many times can be damaging & does not teach tolerance, patience or respect.

Perhaps you can encourage your son that playing in defence is a valuable position, the last line of defence, an important role for the team. Instead of berating the coach & blaming others you should be adding value to your sons participation.
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Ibelieve wrote:Unfortunately, get used to it. Many kids suffer because of coaches with their sons playing preffered positions. And it's all about their sons. Some don't want to let go and coach their kids most if their junior careers. And push their own kids up as much as they can.
As for the coaching, there's time to switch, look for a coach that's passionate about a kid succeeding in development and hopefully one day being a senior player. Not many club's do the right thing when it comes to juniors, There's not many good coaches around though that really understand the game for junior developement. In the age group your lads in, it's about technique and skill level. If he's not getting this, bite the bullet and leave before it's to late.
You also might want to look at private clinics, jeff Napier, Drago klajic and Ernie longo are pretty good for private learning.
Thanks for your reply.
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RedStar wrote:Not sure if your post is authentic ???
If it is .......... there are several fatal flaws in your statement.

Firstly, u10 is smaller sided football to include the most important factor - FUN! possibly explaining why he has lost the passion for the game.

Secondly, for you to make any assumption that talent can be identified for future adult football at u10 is naive.

Thirdly, if I am understanding this correctly, you are considering changing clubs for a 3rd time next year. Continuity is very important at a young age as your son will develop friendships, trust & confidence. All the important ingredients that can be used in general life. Changing clubs so many times can be damaging & does not teach tolerance, patience or respect.

Perhaps you can encourage your son that playing in defence is a valuable position, the last line of defence, an important role for the team. Instead of berating the coach & blaming others you should be adding value to your sons participation.
Firstly, it IS about fun and he's not having it at the moment .
That's my point.
Secondly,whatever his potential , and I don't know what next week holds let alone what next decade holds, I want him to enjoy and also give him at least a chance to avoid being lost to the game at such an early age.
Your third point is valid.
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johnydep wrote:Going to be honest here; 9 years old and lost his passion for the game? Wow! If that's the case, sounds like he's only playing for dad.
You're entitled to your guess.
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A couple of our boys attend, and seem to get a lot out of it.

http://www.passgateway.com/
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The young lad will gauge his viewpoint from you. Be positive ...... he will be positive. This can be applied no matter what club he plays at or position. The coaches son is probably doing a disservice to just playing his lad up front as eventually not experiencing all facets of the game will ensure a shallow understanding of the game when he gets older.

Your lad on the other hand will learn how to track an attacking player, slow the play, position himself to push the attacker wide, be stronger on the ball, learn to perform under pressure, learn to play from the back ,how do deliver effective passes & first touch skills etc etc.

When it's time to change positions, he will be far more educated & well rounded player.
He will then be proud when donning on his club strip, wearing it will give him a sense of being part of the team & of value.

Reward the young lad with praise & positive reinforcement & watch him push past that barrier of self doubt. You should also involve yourself in the club somehow, as your son will surely watch how you conduct yourself & will follow your lead.
At 9 one on one training could be a little extreme as he will probably want some balance with playing school sports like footy, cricket tennis.
1 on 1 would probably be good at 11 as they start to play on the larger pitch with JSL or JPL teams. Let them get used to the vast expanses of the large pitch first then start to introduce 1on1 ...... this will allow him time to learn the delivery of the ball properly & understand distance on a new pitch.

Hope that helps cheers
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RedStar wrote:The young lad will gauge his viewpoint from you. Be positive ...... he will be positive. This can be applied no matter what club he plays at or position. The coaches son is probably doing a disservice to just playing his lad up front as eventually not experiencing all facets of the game will ensure a shallow understanding of the game when he gets older.

Your lad on the other hand will learn how to track an attacking player, slow the play, position himself to push the attacker wide, be stronger on the ball, learn to perform under pressure, learn to play from the back ,how do deliver effective passes & first touch skills etc etc.

When it's time to change positions, he will be far more educated & well rounded player.
He will then be proud when donning on his club strip, wearing it will give him a sense of being part of the team & of value.

Reward the young lad with praise & positive reinforcement & watch him push past that barrier of self doubt. You should also involve yourself in the club somehow, as your son will surely watch how you conduct yourself & will follow your lead.
At 9 one on one training could be a little extreme as he will probably want some balance with playing school sports like footy, cricket tennis.
1 on 1 would probably be good at 11 as they start to play on the larger pitch with JSL or JPL teams. Let them get used to the vast expanses of the large pitch first then start to introduce 1on1 ...... this will allow him time to learn the delivery of the ball properly & understand distance on a new pitch.

Hope that helps cheers
Sincerely appreciate your wisdom and will take these points on board.
I'm not a crazy parent who is obsessed with my boy becoming a professional.
It just saddens me to see the drop in his love for playing.
I need to probably take a chill pill and reassess what is best for my son and not get so worked up.
Again thanks for your thoughts.
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Steve#6 wrote:A couple of our boys attend, and seem to get a lot out of it.

http://www.passgateway.com/
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Hope this is not another case where a parent is going to ruin their sons career? All kids at 10 like to score the goals, step back for a minute and watch your son play as a team member, not listening to the parents bagging the coach in the car on the way home.
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Toon Army wrote:Hope this is not another case where a parent is going to ruin their sons career? All kids at 10 like to score the goals, step back for a minute and watch your son play as a team member, not listening to the parents bagging the coach in the car on the way home.
No it's not a case of this, but I understand where you're coming from.
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I have previously had kids grinning from ear to ear when leaving the pitch, very happy with there game and looking forward to having Mc burger, after 5 minutes in the car (with what I percieve being some of the worst coaches, the parents) the kid has gone from happy to demorilised, if the coach is giving the kid fair game time and moving him to different positions then this is the norm, if you, as a parent keep telling him that he should be somewhere else he will get confused, after every game try saying 'well done son' and leave it at that, he will make his own desicions, if you keep on all the time he will leave the game to never to return.......Mark Schwarzer never made it into the under 15s state squad and John Cahill also had several knock backs at Junior level........
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johnpd wrote:I have previously had kids grinning from ear to ear when leaving the pitch, very happy with there game and looking forward to having Mc burger, after 5 minutes in the car (with what I percieve being some of the worst coaches, the parents) the kid has gone from happy to demorilised, if the coach is giving the kid fair game time and moving him to different positions then this is the norm, if you, as a parent keep telling him that he should be somewhere else he will get confused, after every game try saying 'well done son' and leave it at that, he will make his own desicions, if you keep on all the time he will leave the game to never to return.......Mark Schwarzer never made it into the under 15s state squad and John Cahill also had several knock backs at Junior level........
It's not me telling him where to play, it's he himself.
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I am pretty lucky as I have really good parents that see I am trying to do the best for their kids. Politics happens even at school level, some of the mothers at my kids school are just evil...This happens at clubs as well. Parents are the biggest wet blankets when it comes to kids having fun.
The coaches aren't perfect, they are just doing what the feel is best and most time the only ones that put their hands up when others find it easier to just sit on the sidelines and be negative.
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Kevin I would think an under 10 coach would be rotating kids in different positions..I encourage my defenders to run forward & get involved they score even as a attacking defender...
U hope he doesn't loose INTREST ..
Maybe to keep his motivation going for football get him playing indoor soccer lots of places for that and brilliant for the boys development..
Then wait for trials at other clubs and do ur homework on the coach & move him on. Good luck.
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Kevin I understand that you want your son to enjoy himself, and as he is only age of 9- 10 years this is very important. Our experience was that we let our son play with his mates at school as federation was not right for him at this stage. ( he was a late bloomer.) he enjoyed this and was ready to play in Feds by U12. He was then ready for the competition and has had much success and fun since then.( making state, sasi etc) and is now overseas playing and still having fun! If I have any advice it is to keep it fun :)
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Huge1 wrote:Kevin I understand that you want your son to enjoy himself, and as he is only age of 9- 10 years this is very important. Our experience was that we let our son play with his mates at school as federation was not right for him at this stage. ( he was a late bloomer.) he enjoyed this and was ready to play in Feds by U12. He was then ready for the competition and has had much success and fun since then.( making state, sasi etc) and is now overseas playing and still having fun! If I have any advice it is to keep it fun :)
You're absolutely right about keeping it fun. Good luck to your boy and thanks for your thoughts.
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EnzoG wrote:Kevin I would think an under 10 coach would be rotating kids in different positions..I encourage my defenders to run forward & get involved they score even as a attacking defender...
U hope he doesn't loose INTREST ..
Maybe to keep his motivation going for football get him playing indoor soccer lots of places for that and brilliant for the boys development..
Then wait for trials at other clubs and do ur homework on the coach & move him on. Good luck.
He has been rotating : from centre back to fullback.
I have been encouraging him to go forward (overlap) when defending, and occasionally does this.
Indoor soccer would be good as I think it will help his ball control in confined areas.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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Ill be honest, i haven't read all the replies, im only replying to the initial post so im sorry if its been mentioned: Futsal. Its purely skill based, and is excellent for the development of kids. Its quite fun and as a striker, it will help his technique and movement in confined areas. I'm a big fan of futsal, having seen the benefits of it in Europe, and its something i wish i was aware of as a kid.

If you cant find a futsal team, then the next best thing is indoor. Save your money from "training sessions" with "expert" coaches. Kids need to have fun. Set up a goal out back, take him down to the local park, and just let him continually bury shots in the back of the net. add a couple of obstacles, let him dribble those, and shoot. Just bring the enjoyment back for him, confidence and self belief plays such a huge role on a kids performance and development.

EDIT: check out Adelaide Fusion Futsal Club. they're probably the only professional futsal club set up and hold development sessions that involve alot of lads playing NPL here in the state.
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matty2323 wrote:Ill be honest, i haven't read all the replies, im only replying to the initial post so im sorry if its been mentioned: Futsal. Its purely skill based, and is excellent for the development of kids. Its quite fun and as a striker, it will help his technique and movement in confined areas. I'm a big fan of futsal, having seen the benefits of it in Europe, and its something i wish i was aware of as a kid.

If you cant find a futsal team, then the next best thing is indoor. Save your money from "training sessions" with "expert" coaches. Kids need to have fun. Set up a goal out back, take him down to the local park, and just let him continually bury shots in the back of the net. add a couple of obstacles, let him dribble those, and shoot. Just bring the enjoyment back for him, confidence and self belief plays such a huge role on a kids performance and development.

EDIT: check out Adelaide Fusion Futsal Club. they're probably the only professional futsal club set up and hold development sessions that involve alot of lads playing NPL here in the state.
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matty2323 wrote:Ill be honest, i haven't read all the replies, im only replying to the initial post so im sorry if its been mentioned: Futsal. Its purely skill based, and is excellent for the development of kids. Its quite fun and as a striker, it will help his technique and movement in confined areas. I'm a big fan of futsal, having seen the benefits of it in Europe, and its something i wish i was aware of as a kid.

If you cant find a futsal team, then the next best thing is indoor. Save your money from "training sessions" with "expert" coaches. Kids need to have fun. Set up a goal out back, take him down to the local park, and just let him continually bury shots in the back of the net. add a couple of obstacles, let him dribble those, and shoot. Just bring the enjoyment back for him, confidence and self belief plays such a huge role on a kids performance and development.

EDIT: check out Adelaide Fusion Futsal Club. they're probably the only professional futsal club set up and hold development sessions that involve alot of lads playing NPL here in the state.
How is Fusion Proffesional? They have full time employees? I think not.
Playing indoor does wonders for growing knees....NOT.
Avoid playing on those hard surfaces like the plague.
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What surface does fusion play on?
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Hi,

In regards to being professional we are not full time employees, however we aim to create professional environment for children to develop their skills. We have seen a large improvement with our under 10's and under 12's late last year from when we first got them in to now. They are more comfortable on the ball and are able to make quicker decisions.

Players are from all over Adelaide including Para Hills, Raiders, Campbelltown, Playford, Elizabeth Downs, Metro Stars, Ingle Farm, Croydon and Adelaide Cobras.

We will be running clinics in the April School Holidays at the our home the Adelaide SuperDrome which is off Main North Road Gepps Cross. (near Croatian Sports Centre)

The surface at the SuperDrome is of good quality. In regards to injuries there are many studies conducted all over the world that indicate outdoor footballers suffer more injuries than futsal players.

If you like our Facebook page there are regular updates on the page and also details of when the clinics are on and the cost. The clinics are run by Raff Frisina and Michael Matricciani. Raff has recently completed his FFA Futsal Licence and Michael has vast experience with the FFA National Curriculum.

Search Adelaide Fusion Futsal Club on Facebook and like our page, alternatively you can email us on adelaidefusion@gmail.com and we will respond to you as soon as possible with further details
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