Next Matildas coach???

[voldemort]

The Advertiser
Sat Nov 10 2012

‘Lady Reds coach Dave Edmondson will apply for the soon to be vacant Matildas job. The former New Zealand under 17 FIFA World Cup coach said that he was preparing to submit his CV to Football Australia after long standing coach Tom Sermanni announced his final Matildas squad yesterday “Obviously a job like the Matildas you’ve got to be interested,” Edmondson said.’

Seriously bloke???

Here’s some help with the CV

Ladder
Club P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Perth Glory 4 3 0 1 10 4 6 9
2 Canberra United 4 2 2 0 9 2 7 8
3 Sydney FC 4 2 1 1 8 6 2 7
4 Brisbane Roar 4 2 1 1 4 3 1 7
5 Melbourne Victory 4 2 0 2 3 4 -1 6
6 WS Wanderers FC 4 1 1 2 6 6 0 4
7 Adelaide United 4 1 0 3 6 10 -4 3
8 Newcastle Jets 4 0 1 3 4 15 -11 1

NTC 2012

Table After Round 20
POS TEAM P W D L For Agst GD FF PTS
1 Croydon 20 15 3 2 55 18 37 0 48
2 Adelaide Blue Eagles 20 15 0 5 84 28 56 0 45
3 West Adelaide 20 11 4 5 57 43 14 0 37
4 Adelaide City 20 10 2 8 42 33 9 0 32
5 Adelaide Comets 20 9 5 6 41 32 9 0 32
6 Raiders 19 9 4 6 45 34 11 0 31
7 Campbelltown City 20 7 5 8 37 32 5 0 26
8 Cumberland United 20 7 5 8 43 40 3 0 26
9 Seaford 19 5 1 13 36 50 -14 0 16
10 WT Birkalla 20 2 8 10 31 62 -31 0 14
11 NTC Girls 19 0 1 18 14 106 -92 0 1


W league 2011

# Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Canberra United 10 7 3 0 23 9 14 24
2 Brisbane Roar 10 6 3 1 20 11 9 21
3 Sydney FC 10 5 2 3 26 8 18 17
4 Melbourne Victory 10 5 2 3 21 9 12 17
5 Newcastle Jets 10 4 0 6 18 22 -4 12
6 Perth Glory 10 2 0 8 11 36 -25 6
7 Adelaide United 10 1 0 9 6 30 -24 3


A bunch of scheduled and advertised ‘coach the coaches’ sessions…abandoned after 3 sessions

Participation at lowest levels for years in Womens soccer in SA

[johnydep]

Time for a female to coach our National team. The talent is there just look at the A-League, Belinda Wilson has Brisbane Roar playing good football. And she has great ambitions.

NEW Brisbane Roar W-League coach Belinda Wilson believes female coaches could take the reins at A-League level.
Wilson was announced head coach of Brisbane’s W-League side yesterday, replacing former Welsh international Jeff Hopkins who now assistants Roar head A-League coach Rado Vidosic

And she was emphatic about female coaches following a similar path to Hopkins.

“It’s not a gender issue, it’s a coaching issue,” she said. “If you’re good enough, it doesn’t matter if you are coaching men’s or women’s football. It’s the same.

“There’s no reason why we can’t coach the men’s game and the men can’t come to coach the women’s game as long as you have the experience and qualifications.”

Wilson’s credentials are extensive, having worked for FIFA as a Women’s Football Instructor and for AFC where she served as Director of Women’s Football and Elite Coach Instructor.

She also worked as Director of Coerver Coaching in Norway.

Wilson's appointment at Roar makes her the second female coach for the upcoming W-league season alongside Canberra United’s Jitka Klimková.

Melbourne Victory was coached by Vicki Linton for the past two seasons before Linton stepped down from the position earlier this week.

“I think it’s a fantastic pathway that we’re creating for future players and future female coaches as well," said Wilson.

“It’s very important not only for women’s football but also football in general to say we’ve got quality coaches out there who given the opportunity can thrive.”

Her new role will see her double as Football Queensland’s High Performance Unit Women’s coach, identifying and developing talented female footballers throughout the state.

Wilson said she is “very excited” about the challenge at Roar and the future of Australian women’s football.

“I’m glad that I could come back home to Australia and help women’s football,” Wilson said.

“We have a real bright future in terms of where we’re heading at the national team level and if we can get our national competition competitive it will help us.

“My philosophy is to have a creative team going forward and I believe the players in the squad will enhance my philosophy.”

Wilson also said Roar’s new female mascot, known as Rosie, was a “fantastic” initiative.

“What we are trying to do is build participation," she said.

"If we can bring young girls to the games, and incorporate that in terms of having a mascot and girls having an identification with the women’s game, I think that’s perfect.

“From that we can get more players playing in women’s competition here in Queensland.”

[snow white]

Would be great to see an aussie female coach take on the Mathilda's job.

But in terms of this thread, it would appear that the task of rebuilding elite football in this State remains a very large uphill battle.

I would love to see the stats around participation levels at the moment and historically. With the loss of clubs last summer and the entire State League, the pursuit of results at an elite level can seriously mask the malaise at grass roots.

Someone capable of ensuring a competitive elite program along with overlooking a flourishing and vibrant grass roots environment would then make a stronger candidate for the top job.

Qualifications alone carry little interest to me ..... the combination of the right credentials and runs on the board does.

[Rey Mysterio]

Would be great to see an aussie female coach take on the Mathilda's job.

But in terms of this thread, it would appear that the task of rebuilding elite football in this State remains a very large uphill battle.

I would love to see the stats around participation levels at the moment and historically. With the loss of clubs last summer and the entire State League, the pursuit of results at an elite level can seriously mask the malaise at grass roots.

Someone capable of ensuring a competitive elite program along with overlooking a flourishing and vibrant grass roots environment would then make a stronger candidate for the top job.

Qualifications alone carry little interest to me ..... the combination of the right credentials and runs on the board does.

+ 1 Snow.

IMO actions speak louder than words. Our friend DE seems to be more concerned with results and chastising players publicly when they make a mistake. If you go to a game all your hear is him screaming at players and questioning the referee's decision. His constant bellowing was coming through loud and clear with the telecast on the weekend and the 4th Official has to repeatedly tell him to calm down and take his seat. Is this someone that should be in charge of our National Women's team??

[johnydep]

IMO actions speak louder than words. Our friend DE seems to be more concerned with results and chastising players publicly when they make a mistake. If you go to a game all your hear is him screaming at players and questioning the referee's decision. His constant bellowing was coming through loud and clear with the telecast on the weekend and the 4th Official has to repeatedly tell him to calm down and take his seat. Is this someone that should be in charge of our National Women's team??

Are you for real? Do you watch our other National league - the A-League? Do you watch international football leagues.

Coaches have their reputation on the line, sometimes players need to be pushed to get the most out of them, sometimes referees need to be told. It's all part of the game.

[snow white]

Would be great to see an aussie female coach take on the Mathilda's job.

But in terms of this thread, it would appear that the task of rebuilding elite football in this State remains a very large uphill battle.

I would love to see the stats around participation levels at the moment and historically. With the loss of clubs last summer and the entire State League, the pursuit of results at an elite level can seriously mask the malaise at grass roots.

Someone capable of ensuring a competitive elite program along with overlooking a flourishing and vibrant grass roots environment would then make a stronger candidate for the top job.

Qualifications alone carry little interest to me ..... the combination of the right credentials and runs on the board does.

+ 1 Snow.

IMO actions speak louder than words. Our friend DE seems to be more concerned with results and chastising players publicly when they make a mistake. If you go to a game all your hear is him screaming at players and questioning the referee's decision. His constant bellowing was coming through loud and clear with the telecast on the weekend and the 4th Official has to repeatedly tell him to calm down and take his seat. Is this someone that should be in charge of our National Women's team??

I didn't see the game on Saturday so cannot pass judgement on the alleged sideline behaviour.

But I do want to make a valid general point in regards to leadership/behaviour.

Women's football is facing acute problems which are diverse and have many root causes. Divisions between clubs and the Federation has not helped.

Women's football is in desperate need of strong leadership, someone who can unite a divided football community and build a rapport amongst all. Communication and the ability to sell a vision and bring the clubs and players along that journey, is essential, almost to the point that it its more important than technical aspects of coaching.

[johnydep]

Would be great to see an aussie female coach take on the Mathilda's job.

But in terms of this thread, it would appear that the task of rebuilding elite football in this State remains a very large uphill battle.

I would love to see the stats around participation levels at the moment and historically. With the loss of clubs last summer and the entire State League, the pursuit of results at an elite level can seriously mask the malaise at grass roots.

Someone capable of ensuring a competitive elite program along with overlooking a flourishing and vibrant grass roots environment would then make a stronger candidate for the top job.

Qualifications alone carry little interest to me ..... the combination of the right credentials and runs on the board does.

+ 1 Snow.

IMO actions speak louder than words. Our friend DE seems to be more concerned with results and chastising players publicly when they make a mistake. If you go to a game all your hear is him screaming at players and questioning the referee's decision. His constant bellowing was coming through loud and clear with the telecast on the weekend and the 4th Official has to repeatedly tell him to calm down and take his seat. Is this someone that should be in charge of our National Women's team??

I didn't see the game on Saturday so cannot pass judgement on the alleged sideline behaviour.

But I do want to make a valid general point in regards to leadership/behaviour.

Women's football is facing acute problems which are diverse and have many root causes. Divisions between clubs and the Federation has not helped.

Women's football is in desperate need of strong leadership, someone who can unite a divided football community and build a rapport amongst all. Communication and the ability to sell a vision and bring the clubs and players along that journey, is essential, almost to the point that it its more important than technical aspects of coaching.

I agree, though that's not the coaches role. That role belongs to our governing bodies.

Players, clubs and supporters need to send their views and feedback to the governing bodies. I do, and they try to answer. I have quite a collection of interesting emails.

[snow white]

I agree, though that's not the coaches role. That role belongs to our governing bodies.

Players, clubs and supporters need to send their views and feedback to the governing bodies. I do, and they try to answer. I have quite a collection of interesting emails.

Agree not specifically a coach specific role, but within the parameters of a 'Head of Women's Football' job description perhaps????????? If its not within the current job description it should be, otherwise the role for all intents and purposes is that of a W League/elite level coach.

I look forward with interest the role and impact of these new advisory committee's, who should be articulating the interests of the sports stakeholders, being the clubs and the players.

[M@rvin]

I agree, though that's not the coaches role. That role belongs to our governing bodies.

Players, clubs and supporters need to send their views and feedback to the governing bodies. I do, and they try to answer. I have quite a collection of interesting emails.

Agree not specifically a coach specific role, but within the parameters of a 'Head of Women's Football' job description perhaps????????? If its not within the current job description it should be, otherwise the role for all intents and purposes is that of a W League/elite level coach.

I look forward with interest the role and impact of these new advisory committee's, who should be articulating the interests of the sports stakeholders, being the clubs and the players.

As long as the stakeholders pass on constructive comments and ideas as well as members of the committees getting out and talking to the stakeholders. Will also be interesting to see how much influence the advisory committees will be allowed by FFSA.

[snow white]

I agree, though that's not the coaches role. That role belongs to our governing bodies.

Players, clubs and supporters need to send their views and feedback to the governing bodies. I do, and they try to answer. I have quite a collection of interesting emails.

Agree not specifically a coach specific role, but within the parameters of a 'Head of Women's Football' job description perhaps????????? If its not within the current job description it should be, otherwise the role for all intents and purposes is that of a W League/elite level coach.

I look forward with interest the role and impact of these new advisory committee's, who should be articulating the interests of the sports stakeholders, being the clubs and the players.

As long as the stakeholders pass on constructive comments and ideas as well as members of the committees getting out and talking to the stakeholders. Will also be interesting to see how much influence the advisory committees will be allowed by FFSA.

Yes, this will be very interesting ...

[W-fan]

Are you for real? Do you watch our other National league - the A-League? Do you watch international football leagues.

Coaches have their reputation on the line, sometimes players need to be pushed to get the most out of them, sometimes referees need to be told. It's all part of the game.[/quote]

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Yes, some coaches do get frustrated on the side line and that's OK provided;
- They don't take it out on the officials (very unprofessional behaviour).
- They are consistent with criticism (and praise) for all players in their team.

The Adelaide United and Sydney FC coaches need to address the above points, or risk becoming the modern day dinosaurs in the W-league.

[paul merson]

Are you for real? Do you watch our other National league - the A-League? Do you watch international football leagues.

Coaches have their reputation on the line, sometimes players need to be pushed to get the most out of them, sometimes referees need to be told. It's all part of the game.

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Yes, some coaches do get frustrated on the side line and that's OK provided;
- They don't take it out on the officials (very unprofessional behaviour).
- They are consistent with criticism (and praise) for all players in their team.

[/quote]

Is this just for womens football or mens too, Im pretty sure Ive seen Jose Mourihno, Sir Alex Ferg, Arsene Wenger and houndreds of others give officials a spray, call them unproffessional if you want but thats kind of rediculous.

Coaches are there to fix footballing problems, hence they dont spend the majority of their time patting everyone on the back, their aim is to rid the team of its flaws.

We are talking about australias 'elite' womens comp, not juniors, in a juniors comp I couldnt agree more with you but the W League is results based football, Im pretty sure being nice to officials isnt a KPI of DE.

[Gazelle]

Just because it's an elite competition, doesn't mean coaches have a free pass to yell at players and officials...

You are comparing the W-League to the EPL - Seriously????

These competitions aren't even close to being in the same ball park so to speak.

Also, there is a massive difference between coaching a men's side and a women's side. Men generally respond better to criticism and being yelled at, women on the other hand can get their head down and play even worse soccer faced with the same treatment.

All women's coaches, players and supporters should know this!

[juniorsupporter]

I think that as long as a coach is criticising a player's (referee's) actions/inactions and it's not a personal attack, then it's ok. If my daughter came home and whinged about the coach yelling at her to do something on the pitch, I'd tell her to toughen up. I agree with Paul Merson that if players have made it to the elite level of the sport, they have learned to handle criticism and not always take things personally- it's the players that take everything personally that get left behind.

There is no one mould for a women's football coach- some yell, some don't. And at the end of the day it's between the coach and his/her players.

As for yelling at the ref, a coach isn't allowed to do that? really?

[johnydep]

Just because it's an elite competition, doesn't mean coaches have a free pass to yell at players and officials...

You are comparing the W-League to the EPL - Seriously????

These competitions aren't even close to being in the same ball park so to speak.

Also, there is a massive difference between coaching a men's side and a women's side. Men generally respond better to criticism and being yelled at, women on the other hand can get their head down and play even worse soccer faced with the same treatment.

All women's coaches, players and supporters should know this!

Are you saying that we should treat women's football differently? Sounds like it. So that would have to mean that we must treat female footballers differently.

Well that blows our philosophy out of the water - coach male and female footballers as 'footballers', not girls and boys.

[SAD GAL]

Coaching women's football is akin to hearding cats.

[paul merson]

Just because it's an elite competition, doesn't mean coaches have a free pass to yell at players and officials...

You are comparing the W-League to the EPL - Seriously????

These competitions aren't even close to being in the same ball park so to speak.

Also, there is a massive difference between coaching a men's side and a women's side. Men generally respond better to criticism and being yelled at, women on the other hand can get their head down and play even worse soccer faced with the same treatment.

All women's coaches, players and supporters should know this!

Youve missed the point, W Fan claimed that having a go at a referee was 'unproffessional' so I gave an example off the most proffessional coaches/managers I knew of to show its in fact not.

By the way, EPL is the elite comp of mens football in England, W League is the elite level of womens football in Aust, in my short time working with AU girls the one thing I was continually told when I got there was 'We just want to be treated like the guys', do they really?

I think one of the biggest hurdles the womens game needs to get over is the fact its not womens football, its football, just women playing it, its still the same game.

Oh and as juniorsupporter said as long as it doesnt get personal, the criticisms need to be on topic, re the football.

[snow white]

Whether its right DE yells at players or officials during a match is digressing somewhat from the original intent of this thread, and in the context of the major issues confronting women's football in this State, is not a major factor.

Our focus should be on the grass roots and the issues confronting the game at that level.

[Lucas Leiva]

I wasn't at the game, but did watch on ABC and saw / heard some of his gesticulations.

What was the majority of his comments related to? Did he shout at players to find shape / get in position / make a particular run? Or did he shout at them with general "not good enough" kind of comments?

If it was constructive criticism then ok, give him a hall pass.

If my coach swears at me because I stuffed a pass I tend to understand but disagree with that method, but if he swears at me because I was watching the ball or got pulled out of position then I am 100% on his page.

[juniorsupporter]

Snow White- I think the original intent of the thread was to discuss the next Matildas' coach- we may need another topic to debate the state of the women's game in SA.

There's been a lot of mention of declining numbers, however it looks to me like the senior social side of the game seems pretty healthy in terms of numbers. I don't suppose anyone has any statistics re: participation numbers in the social divisions? The collegiate comp seemed to go pretty well this year...

Another thread might be devoted to the issue brought up regarding how to coach women, and whether they should be "coached differently" to the men...To me, (and PM I think you'd agree here) a short answer is that the substance is the same (the game, the ferocity, the technique and tactics), but the coach's delivery needs to be different just because women operate a bit differently to men. It's the same game, played with the same intensity/aggression and within the same rules- the expectation of the outcome should not be different. It's all about how you get the players there. The message is the same, the medium is different. I think it was Mia Hamm who said something like "Coach us like men, treat us like women."

[Gazelle]

Attempting to treat the women's game like the men's game is such a mistake.

There are so many differences ranging from publicity to formation and how the game is played.

If people, particularly coaches, can't recognise that female players thrive under different conditions to male players, then how is the game expected to develop?

[paul merson]

Attempting to treat the women's game like the men's game is such a mistake.

There are so many differences ranging from publicity to formation and how the game is played.

If people, particularly coaches, can't recognise that female players thrive under different conditions to male players, then how is the game expected to develop?

Regardless of genders coaches need to be able to get the best out of their players, so they need to do that how ever they seem fit, if thats babying them or bollocking them thats their decision.

How are there differences in formation form mens football to womens?

The game is clearly not developming (if the discussions on this forum are anything to go by) in SA so maybe its the change the game needs?

[Gazelle]

Obviously, it depends on the opposition, etc. But from watching the W-League, generally the game is more constricted. Players tend to bunch more.

[juniorsupporter]

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[snow white]

Snow White- I think the original intent of the thread was to discuss the next Matildas' coach- we may need another topic to debate the state of the women's game in SA.

There's been a lot of mention of declining numbers, however it looks to me like the senior social side of the game seems pretty healthy in terms of numbers. I don't suppose anyone has any statistics re: participation numbers in the social divisions? The collegiate comp seemed to go pretty well this year...

Another thread might be devoted to the issue brought up regarding how to coach women, and whether they should be "coached differently" to the men...To me, (and PM I think you'd agree here) a short answer is that the substance is the same (the game, the ferocity, the technique and tactics), but the coach's delivery needs to be different just because women operate a bit differently to men. It's the same game, played with the same intensity/aggression and within the same rules- the expectation of the outcome should not be different. It's all about how you get the players there. The message is the same, the medium is different. I think it was Mia Hamm who said something like "Coach us like men, treat us like women."

Actually, I think the original intent of this thread was to deride DE's public statement that he wants to apply for the Mathilda's job based on the perception that his performances on the park and the state of the game at gross roots isn't exactly bright. Hence I'm trying to point the discussion in the direction of the health of the game at grass roots level rather than the diversion of how a single coach treats ref's and players.

Having more Collegiate sides is great, but as they are purely social, and many of these teams come and go, using their numbers may distort/hide a more disturbing trend in other parts of the game which actually form the nucleus of a thriving football community.

To give an analogy, hypotetically numbers in mens amateur's maybe booming, but if that doesn't equate to great numbers in the FFSA clubs, then the game suffers and the stats dont necessarily tell the right picture. Moreover, for decades our participation at a national grass roots level has been brilliant, but this hasn't translated to the code being a thriving success at a national league level. We have more kids playing football than AFL, but we are light years behind AFL in terms of infrastructure, ratings, attendances, TV rights etc, etc. I hope you now see the danger on relying on social team numbers.

[paul merson]

Obviously, it depends on the opposition, etc. But from watching the W-League, generally the game is more constricted. Players tend to bunch more.

Sorry I don't have a response for that.

[Gazelle]

So you deny that formation-wise, the men's and women's games are dissimilar?

The differences between the women's game and men's game are so great, anyone to think otherwise is kidding themselves.

The games in the W-League are so unpredictable as a result of this, which makes the women's game more exciting. Results do not follow a logical trend, shown by the results of the round just passed.

On average, there are more goals scored in a W-League game than an A-League game.

[paul merson]

I just didn't understand your post and the relivance to the question.

So what formation is it that women play that men don't?
Being the national curriculum are based around a 4-3-3 for kids right the way through I'm pretty sure women's path way teams would follow the same.

Games being unpredictable? Again relivance to the question.
W league games more exciting? Did you watch Friday nights or Saturday nights a league games?

[juniorsupporter]

I hope you now see the danger on relying on social team numbers.[/quote]

I don't think I was suggesting that we rely on social numbers to gauge the state of the whole women's game, I was just saying that the social side seems pretty healthy in terms of participation numbers. I wasn't saying that those numbers are translating into a healthy elite situation- In fact I think that it's an interesting dichotomy. The social side of the senior game is doing ok while the elite side seems to be foundering a bit. I think I was pretty clear about what I was addressing, but maybe not.

[snow white]

I hope you now see the danger on relying on social team numbers.

I don't think I was suggesting that we rely on social numbers to gauge the state of the whole women's game, I was just saying that the social side seems pretty healthy in terms of participation numbers. I wasn't saying that those numbers are translating into a healthy elite situation- In fact I think that it's an interesting dichotomy. The social side of the senior game is doing ok while the elite side seems to be foundering a bit. I think I was pretty clear about what I was addressing, but maybe not.[/quote]

Apologies if I mis-read your intent, but my point remains pertinent. Bringing social numbers into the equation when talking about the general (perceived) decline in participation rates will distort the overall true state of health of the game.

I also think there is a correlation between the elite level 'foundering' and an increase in social participation. The two are probably linked.

Do you agree that the original intent of this thread was much more than just who will be the next Mathilda coach, but rather a direct call for our house to be restored to high working order before dreaming of loftier ambitions???