U17 teams for 2013

[johnydep]

Feed back from player parents is that a local club is telling people that the U17 league for 2013 will most likely not go ahead, or if it does it will be weak and pointless. This may be the case for that club, especially since there has been issues with a couple of squads and coaches. But it is not the case for other clubs.

At Croydon Kings FC, our U16 and U17 squads will be linked to the Senior set-up. The U17 squad will be formed with the intention of being an U18B squad. Players will be trained at the highest level, and given the opportunity to train and play in the Senior system during the year; if they show the skill and determination required.

The U17 age group is a very important part of our youth player development system. We will form one, and possibly two, U17 squads; giving players an opportunity to prepare for U18's for 2014 and possibly play in 2013.

The U16 and U17 squads will be closely linked, with both teams training 3 times per week. Both teams will be under the watchful eyes of our Senior coaching staff and Development Coaches.

Good luck to all for Season 2013.

Regards,
CKFC

[cheesecake shop 2]

money making for clubs!!!

[johnydep]

money making for clubs!!!

Development!!! Starting from the senior coach, and working down.

We also try to look after our present players and members, by giving them every opportunity to keep playing and aspiring to higher things.

It would have been far easier to to form one team in every age group and to drop the U17 age group, put the best players in to the U18's. Less administration, less coaching, etc. But that would limit the player pool able to develop and move up. And it would let down a lot of kids and parents that have supported the club for many years.

You have your idea on how a junior club should work, we have ours. Please be a little more smarter with your derogatory comments - don't make them!

[cheesecake shop 2]

Ok. When your under 18's team is full of 15 and 16 year olds, lets have players that are turning 17 playing in the under 17 next year!!!! You cant say that they will play against quality opposition in the 17's coz most if not all the good players are playing in the 18's or reserves. To me its a money making scheme for clubs to have extra teams but good luck to Croydon if that is the way they go. You think its a good idea, i dont.

[johnydep]

Ok. When your under 18's team is full of 15 and 16 year olds, lets have players that are turning 17 playing in the under 17 next year!!!! You cant say that they will play against quality opposition in the 17's coz most if not all the good players are playing in the 18's or reserves. To me its a money making scheme for clubs to have extra teams but good luck to Croydon if that is the way they go. You think its a good idea, i dont.

I'm sorry, but I can't understand what you are trying to say.

All clubs have 3 senior teams; U18, Reserves and the First team. Normally players will move between these three teams as they (a) develop, (b) recover from injury, etc (c) miss games due to suspension. And with young players in the U18's, they can go into the U17's for game time if required.

As players move up through the senior ranks, starting from U18's, players from the U17 will move up and then U16 teams, etc.

Players develop at different rates, some are recovering from injury or have social issues. We will give them a chance to improve and develop further in the U16 and U17 squads. Many such players have been identified, by the Junior DC's and also our Senior coaches; with Milan Ivanovic going to watch players in most of the junior teams, playing and training.

Whatever your ideas, why jump the gun and accuse us of being money hungry? http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/post ... oubt-.aspx

[cheesecake shop 2]

Ok. When your under 18's team is full of 15 and 16 year olds, lets have players that are turning 17 playing in the under 17 next year!!!! You cant say that they will play against quality opposition in the 17's coz most if not all the good players are playing in the 18's or reserves. To me its a money making scheme for clubs to have extra teams but good luck to Croydon if that is the way they go. You think its a good idea, i dont.

I'm sorry, but I can't understand what you are trying to say.

All clubs have 3 senior teams; U18, Reserves and the First team. Normally players will move between these three teams as they (a) develop, (b) recover from injury, etc (c) miss games due to suspension. And with young players in the U18's, they can go into the U17's for game time if required.

As players move up through the senior ranks, starting from U18's, players from the U17 will move up and then U16 teams, etc.

Players develop at different rates, some are recovering from injury or have social issues. We will give them a chance to improve and develop further in the U16 and U17 squads. Many such players have been identified, by the Junior DC's and also our Senior coaches; with Milan Ivanovic going to watch players in most of the junior teams, playing and training.

Whatever your ideas, why jump the gun and accuse us of being money hungry?
http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/post ... oubt-.aspx

I think having an under 17 team is a money maker for clubs.

I go watch players in younger age groups too as a senior coach but instead of going to watch the 17's play in what i believe will be a sub standad league coz all of the better players will be in the 18's or reserves, i can go watch the 16's and 15's play and if i need players to be promoted. Maybe our club may have a different view on the 18's squad as i have said before our under 18's next year will all but one player be 15, 16 and 17 apart from one player.

Good luck to croydon and i hope it works for you, but you wont change my opinion on the matter.

[johnydep]

Ok. When your under 18's team is full of 15 and 16 year olds, lets have players that are turning 17 playing in the under 17 next year!!!! You cant say that they will play against quality opposition in the 17's coz most if not all the good players are playing in the 18's or reserves. To me its a money making scheme for clubs to have extra teams but good luck to Croydon if that is the way they go. You think its a good idea, i dont.

I'm sorry, but I can't understand what you are trying to say.

All clubs have 3 senior teams; U18, Reserves and the First team. Normally players will move between these three teams as they (a) develop, (b) recover from injury, etc (c) miss games due to suspension. And with young players in the U18's, they can go into the U17's for game time if required.

As players move up through the senior ranks, starting from U18's, players from the U17 will move up and then U16 teams, etc.

Players develop at different rates, some are recovering from injury or have social issues. We will give them a chance to improve and develop further in the U16 and U17 squads. Many such players have been identified, by the Junior DC's and also our Senior coaches; with Milan Ivanovic going to watch players in most of the junior teams, playing and training.

Whatever your ideas, why jump the gun and accuse us of being money hungry? http://forum.thefreedictionary.com/post ... oubt-.aspx

I think having an under 17 team is a money maker for clubs.

I go watch players in younger age groups too as a senior coach but instead of going to watch the 17's play in what i believe will be a sub standad league coz all of the better players will be in the 18's or reserves, i can go watch the 16's and 15's play and if i need players to be promoted. Maybe our club may have a different view on the 18's squad as i have said before our under 18's next year will all but one player be 15, 16 and 17 apart from one player.

Good luck to croydon and i hope it works for you, but you wont change my opinion on the matter.

So you're saying that your club had only 16x Season 2012 players capable of playing in the senior system for Season 2013? If so, fair enough.

CKFC had/have enough talented players to field two U18 teams; players from the U15's and U16's, plus we had a very young U17 and U19 squads. Early on in Season 2012, we decided to field an U17 team with the aim of it being an U18B team.

Money making has never been part of the thought process. Player development and turning the club into a 'feeder' club for all clubs and all levels of football has been our goal for the past 3 or 4 years.

Good luck to Adelaide City. I never tried to change your opinion; variety is the spice of life

[Hetro Metro]

All clubs should field an U17 team. From a senior team perspective there are always late bloomers but WAY more important, boys of 16 and 17 should be able to play football and they are too young for the old thugs in the amateurs

[corona]

well said hetro metro . as we can all push up 15year olds to 18s only to stay there for 3 years , every one last season thought 16s was only a money making pit because 15s had to go 17s or then 19s , i see Mori stayed in 16s and keeped the best there to from going 17s . now cheese cake you say 17s is money making . well . not every club has your club funds . maybe . ??? i think if the club can field 17s why not as you find those players could go on to play seniors or even better become committee members to help the club in the future . just my thoughts could be wrong

[Bomber]

So I gather Adelaide city wont be fielding a 17's team next season? Their perogative I suppose, but why do we have (or need to have) 8's, 9's 10's 11's, 12's, 13's, 14's, 15's & 16's then?

[barney]

Adelaide City won't field a 17's team as only 3 players bothered to turn up to trials.
Next years 17 comp will be 3rd rate at best so Croydon can market them as an 18B team but in affect its of 17C standard.
With the money Croydon currently owe the more teams the merrier.

[johnydep]

Adelaide City won't field a 17's team as only 3 players bothered to turn up to trials.
Next years 17 comp will be 3rd rate at best so Croydon can market them as an 18B team but in affect its of 17C standard.
With the money Croydon currently owe the more teams the merrier.

Dare you to come to the AGM, to see how much money we owe.

[grumbly]

We at Salisbury have a 17's...the players and parents wanted it, had a reasonable turn out for trials too. Got a nice mix of young players and some who are pushing for 18's but maybe aren't quite ready yet. Looking forward to next season.

[Bomber]

Adelaide City won't field a 17's team as only 3 players bothered to turn up to trials.
Next years 17 comp will be 3rd rate at best so Croydon can market them as an 18B team but in affect its of 17C standard.
With the money Croydon currently owe the more teams the merrier.

Dare you to come to the AGM, to see how much money we owe.

I'd say majority of clubs would kill to be in our financial position. But JD, this is barney talking, so credibility = 0. Everyone knows that by now, surely. I mean, how long can someone sulk for? Maybe he is trying to break a record or something.

[AL K HOLIC]

Ok. When your under 18's team is full of 15 and 16 year olds, lets have players that are turning 17 playing in the under 17 next year!!!! You cant say that they will play against quality opposition in the 17's coz most if not all the good players are playing in the 18's or reserves. To me its a money making scheme for clubs to have extra teams but good luck to Croydon if that is the way they go. You think its a good idea, i dont.

isn't the JSL the same? how many JSL teams does your club have cheese?

[cheesecake shop 2]

Ok. When your under 18's team is full of 15 and 16 year olds, lets have players that are turning 17 playing in the under 17 next year!!!! You cant say that they will play against quality opposition in the 17's coz most if not all the good players are playing in the 18's or reserves. To me its a money making scheme for clubs to have extra teams but good luck to Croydon if that is the way they go. You think its a good idea, i dont.

isn't the JSL the same? how many JSL teams does your club have cheese?

at this stage 3 i think..

[AL K HOLIC]

Ok. When your under 18's team is full of 15 and 16 year olds, lets have players that are turning 17 playing in the under 17 next year!!!! You cant say that they will play against quality opposition in the 17's coz most if not all the good players are playing in the 18's or reserves. To me its a money making scheme for clubs to have extra teams but good luck to Croydon if that is the way they go. You think its a good idea, i dont.

isn't the JSL the same? how many JSL teams does your club have cheese?

at this stage 3 i think..

But let me guess JSL isn't money making?

[Faith No More]

Adelaide City won't field a 17's team as only 3 players bothered to turn up to trials.
Next years 17 comp will be 3rd rate at best so Croydon can market them as an 18B team but in affect its of 17C standard.
With the money Croydon currently owe the more teams the merrier.

did some one from Croydon sodomise you Barney when you were a little boy ?
No club is perfect, not Kings or City.
i for one have not always been joyous after playing them, probably because they were very good every time we played them !
But your vendetta against them is bordering on pathetic, possibly slanderous & at least is promoting someone you obviously feel inferior too.
Hope you went to the FFSA celebration last week to pick up your "Flog of the Year " award champ .

[lethalmum]

At Pirates we feel strongly that it is important to have an U17's side, for the reasons mentioned above. Not everyone develops at the same rate and we feel it is part of the culture of the club to be able to offer a position to a player who may not yet be quite ready for senior soccer. Still looking for some players so please feel free to contact us - details on our website: www.palsc.com.au.

[johnydep]

I thpought that this quote would be more appropriate here -

http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =7&t=64829
With the change in the structure of the leagues next season, will players from the under 18’s be allowed to drop to the 16’s?

If not this will have a big impact on how the 16’s league pans out, especially for Croydon, as they readily admit they constantly move kids up and down to different teams.

What change to the league structure?

The FFSA has stated that everything stays the same; except for the U17's being an optional league in the JPL, and the U18's replacing the U19's in the senior league (and the use of "optional" was an ill-thought-out comment to put on the record).

Not sure how other clubs handle their team structure, but we hope to use our U17's as an U18B team. With the aim of moving players up and down, depending on fitness, injury, attitude, etc. Same as we did in Season 2012.

[harrycripps]

I thpought that this quote would be more appropriate here -

http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =7&t=64829
With the change in the structure of the leagues next season, will players from the under 18’s be allowed to drop to the 16’s?

If not this will have a big impact on how the 16’s league pans out, especially for Croydon, as they readily admit they constantly move kids up and down to different teams.

What change to the league structure?

The FFSA has stated that everything stays the same; except for the U17's being an optional league in the JPL, and the U18's replacing the U19's in the senior league (and the use of "optional" was an ill-thought-out comment to put on the record).

Not sure how other clubs handle their team structure, but we hope to use our U17's as an U18B team. With the aim of moving players up and down, depending on fitness, injury, attitude, etc. Same as we did in Season 2012.

Because 18's is in the senior league and 16's is in the juniors. That's why I asked as my son will be playing 18s but is young enough to play 16s.

[johnydep]

I thpought that this quote would be more appropriate here -

http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =7&t=64829
With the change in the structure of the leagues next season, will players from the under 18’s be allowed to drop to the 16’s?

If not this will have a big impact on how the 16’s league pans out, especially for Croydon, as they readily admit they constantly move kids up and down to different teams.

What change to the league structure?

The FFSA has stated that everything stays the same; except for the U17's being an optional league in the JPL, and the U18's replacing the U19's in the senior league (and the use of "optional" was an ill-thought-out comment to put on the record).

Not sure how other clubs handle their team structure, but we hope to use our U17's as an U18B team. With the aim of moving players up and down, depending on fitness, injury, attitude, etc. Same as we did in Season 2012.

Because 18's is in the senior league and 16's is in the juniors. That's why I asked as my son will be playing 18s but is young enough to play 16s.

This is how it is at our club; if a senior player (U18, Reserves, First team) is coming back from injury, needs extra fitness, etc they may be sent down to the next team for game time. This is difficult to manage, but is the best way for players to stay or get back fitness. It also gives other players a chance to step up into a spot.

Example; and U18 player is not getting game time due to various reasons, he is sent to the U17's to play and recover while an U17 is asked to play in the U18's.

Will it work? I'll leave that to the Senior coaches to answer.

[Big Mac]

I thpought that this quote would be more appropriate here -


What change to the league structure?

The FFSA has stated that everything stays the same; except for the U17's being an optional league in the JPL, and the U18's replacing the U19's in the senior league (and the use of "optional" was an ill-thought-out comment to put on the record).

Not sure how other clubs handle their team structure, but we hope to use our U17's as an U18B team. With the aim of moving players up and down, depending on fitness, injury, attitude, etc. Same as we did in Season 2012.

Because 18's is in the senior league and 16's is in the juniors. That's why I asked as my son will be playing 18s but is young enough to play 16s.

This is how it is at our club; if a senior player (U18, Reserves, First team) is coming back from injury, needs extra fitness, etc they may be sent down to the next team for game time. This is difficult to manage, but is the best way for players to stay or get back fitness. It also gives other players a chance to step up into a spot.

Example; and U18 player is not getting game time due to various reasons, he is sent to the U17's to play and recover while an U17 is asked to play in the U18's.

Will it work? I'll leave that to the Senior coaches to answer.

If players are dropped back for the reasons you give, sounds fair enough.
If they are dropped back to win the U17 League, no.

[magic]

Adelaide City won't field a 17's team as only 3 players bothered to turn up to trials.
Next years 17 comp will be 3rd rate at best so Croydon can market them as an 18B team but in affect its of 17C standard.
With the money Croydon currently owe the more teams the merrier.

Dare you to come to the AGM, to see how much money we owe.

I'd say majority of clubs would kill to be in our financial position. But JD, this is barney talking, so credibility = 0. Everyone knows that by now, surely. I mean, how long can someone sulk for? Maybe he is trying to break a record or something.

And the reason behind the CCSC juniors not being rewarded best and fairest/ players player of the year/most improved trophies ect was because ?