Influx of Ex Fed Players

[OldRedback]

With the increasing numbers of Fed players coming into the Amateur League ranks there is no doubt that the standard of football is increasing and there would certainly be many amateur outfits that would beat many Fed teams. That being said though what are everyone's thoughts on whether development of younger players is being stifled as older ex Fed players keep younger players out of teams or have we got the balance generally right? I ask because I have seen examples of both where it has hindered development but has also helped young players grow by working alongside these older players and seeing a good example set.

[ExtraTime]

from what I heard last year the average age in the Sunday Premier League has decreased quite considerably in the last 10 years

[brooksy7]

How many in the top 10 of the vote getters in the League are "Older" as you put it???
Wld that not suggest that if ur old or young enough ur good enough???

Surely you only have to look at the federation leagues and see the crap standard that it is now, and this due to mainly the amount of young players being given a free game and not working hard to earn it!!!

It would be interesting to see if you took Day, Trimboli, Hughes, Morrison and Aldridge out of the 1st Team and replace them with kids for development where you think the Downs would finish next season???

[Bomber]

Us "feds" may possibly poaching one of your well known young guns. I'll leave it at that for now.

[Delete Your Account]

Us "feds" may possibly poaching one of your well known young guns. I'll leave it at that for now.

I'll sign if you pay for lunch.

[OldRedback]

How many in the top 10 of the vote getters in the League are "Older" as you put it???
Wld that not suggest that if ur old or young enough ur good enough???

Surely you only have to look at the federation leagues and see the crap standard that it is now, and this due to mainly the amount of young players being given a free game and not working hard to earn it!!!

It would be interesting to see if you took Day, Trimboli, Hughes, Morrison and Aldridge out of the 1st Team and replace them with kids for development where you think the Downs would finish next season???

For a start Trimboli hasn't played and those others would be an example of the good example set - this is not a discussion that is limited to the Downs Brooksey so maybe it may be worth looking a little further afield than your obsession with Argana Park

[ExtraTime]

How many in the top 10 of the vote getters in the League are "Older" as you put it???
Wld that not suggest that if ur old or young enough ur good enough???

Surely you only have to look at the federation leagues and see the crap standard that it is now, and this due to mainly the amount of young players being given a free game and not working hard to earn it!!!

It would be interesting to see if you took Day, Trimboli, Hughes, Morrison and Aldridge out of the 1st Team and replace them with kids for development where you think the Downs would finish next season???

For a start Trimboli hasn't played and those others would be an example of the good example set - this is not a discussion that is limited to the Downs Brooksey so maybe it may be worth looking a little further afield than your obsession with Argana Park

bit touchy redback .. its only a question ....

[OldRedback]

How is that possibly touchy?
Just purely stating that it is a wider issue than confined to 5113, despite what some might think, and involves more than those playing at one club where, to be fair, I and many others have seen the benefits of the influx of ex Fed players.

[swannsong]

How many in the top 10 of the vote getters in the League are "Older" as you put it???
Wld that not suggest that if ur old or young enough ur good enough???

Surely you only have to look at the federation leagues and see the crap standard that it is now, and this due to mainly the amount of young players being given a free game and not working hard to earn it!!!

It would be interesting to see if you took ............. ............... .............. .......... out of the 1st Team and replace them with kids for development where you think the Parafield would finish next season???

[ExtraTime]

so its like any industry where you can bring in a senior person and be able to pass on his experiences and knowledge to develop the younger people... Is it stopping younger players the opportunity in playing... work harder and you will get the opportunity

[BlackBrian_7]

Why should youth development be important at all in the Amateur league. The amateur league is a competitive social league, leave youth development to the federation.

Brooksy is right some of the teams in the premier/state league are crap for what they get paid and where the standard is supposed to be at.

I saw White City play in the Serb cup last year with a lot of their first team playing and they were awful to watch. The semi game between Pontians and Parafield Gardens was a much better standard of game.

There are a lot of has beens going around in the leagues, but the fact that they are still getting a game is because they still have more to offer than a lot of the young boys.

[swannsong]

Why should youth development be important at all in the Amateur league. The amateur league is a competitive social league, leave youth development to the federation.

Brooksy is right some of the teams in the premier/state league are crap for what they get paid and where the standard is supposed to be at.

I saw White City play in the Serb cup last year with a lot of their first team playing and they were awful to watch. The semi game between Pontians and Parafield Gardens was a much better standard of game.

There are a lot of has beens going around in the leagues, but the fact that they are still getting a game is because they still have more to offer than a lot of the young boys.

Possibly because many of the bigger Amateur teams have an extensive youth set up....

[lisbon lion]

i think just because you played doesnt make you an automatic selection for amatuers have to agree with brooks[that hurts] no matter the age of the player if you are good enough you play

[brooksy7]

obsession wtf, was merely countering ur argument and I did it 1stly with how many players, be it all older finished in the top 10 then progressed to say how wld ur team finish if you took those players out. Yes swanny you cld prob use that argument with almost all the teams as they all have olders players to a degree!!!

I think you have a soft argument for the young players not developing, due to ex fed players playing. Didn't Amtrs used to be for "old" players to continue to play on, that thru work or not being able to make more trainings(3 nights with feds) they cld still continue to play, and not for in SOME cases and read it carefully for SOME young players that can't be bothered to commit and work hard to play at a higher level. But wld rather socialise at training fri/sat nites get drunk not take football serious then whinge when not selected in front of an older player????

Maybe a suggestion Redback cld some Coaches that yell and abuse the young players they are supposed to be teaching the principles of getting to the standard of a decent footballer actually coach them and not yell and abuse them, and just maybe they mite have the same work ethic as some senior or "old" players as you like to use???

[OldRedback]

I think some people are missing the point that I put out a question for discussion as opposed to an opportunity to bag people and clubs.

[lisbon lion]

dont think the older players stifle development of youngsters mr redback.....for some reason the younger ones seem to think federation is a class above.....personally i disagree with that but it doesnt hurt for them to find out for themselves...then when they realise the grass isnt always greener they will return to their oroginal club.......perhaps as an older player with experience

[brooksy7]

I think some people are missing the point that I put out a question for discussion as opposed to an opportunity to bag people and clubs.

We are discussing a very poor point, not bagging just highlighting that the point is mute!!

Fix the mentality and the young players will kick the older players out of the team, if then you wld still like to have them around the club to help coach,tutor etc then keep them involved that way. But as for playing if ur good enough, again your young or old enough then shod be able to play!!!

[lisbon lion]

I think some people are missing the point that I put out a question for discussion as opposed to an opportunity to bag people and clubs.

We are discussing a very poor point, not bagging just highlighting that the point is mute!!

Fix the mentality and the young players will kick the older players out of the team, if then you wld still like to have them around the club to help coach,tutor etc then keep them involved that way. But as for playing if ur good enough, again your young or old enough then shod be able to play!!!

translation please

[brooksy7]

Sorry Lion half asleep lol
if ur young or old and good enough it shldnt matter wht ur age is there

[lisbon lion]

Sorry Lion half asleep lol
if ur young or old and good enough it shldnt matter wht ur age is there

already agreed with that one brooksy

[haywood djablowme]

I understand what you are saying Redback & it would be easier to make this transition from juniors to seniors if the SAASL had a youth setup ie U18 comp

Clubs loose focus of this development when there is no pathway set out by the league. Some boys are not yet ready for the senior setup so need a year or two playing at this level hopefully assisting them to make the transition. What some are getting mixed up with if you had a choice between A - older wiser player or B - a young kid who need a bit of work clubs within the SAASL set up are going to choose A cause most want players to hit the ground running & most would not even have the set up within thier infurstructure to provide this for the youth, hence why most head off to play federation level or we just loose them from the game all together.

Plus with it being only a 18 game season there is not alot of room for coaches to take a risk on some younger developing players & give them the time required in the team to develop as the season is too short & its a big risk with points hard to come by in the league esp Sunday Div 1

[brooksy7]

Sorry Lion half asleep lol
if ur young or old and good enough it shldnt matter wht ur age is there

already agreed with that one brooksy

Can you explain it to Redback then???

He doesn't like it when you disagree with him lol

[Smashed on Vino]

Sorry Lion half asleep lol
if ur young or old and good enough it shldnt matter wht ur age is there

Now wouldnt that have been easier to say from the start, rather than read all of your other dribble and trying to decipher what you were actually trying to say?
No wonder people think you're a pratt!
That said I actually agree with what you are saying.

[geezer]

Happy new year Bwooksey I dont wanna keep harping on about you being dumb, however if you are gunna try and
talk like an adult, ya gotta make sure your on the ball brother.
I think the word you were looking for may be "moot' rather than "mute" anyway sorry for being so pedantic mate it's just an observation.

Just a bit of advice bruv, watching Judge Judy dosen't make you a lawyer.....Dumb Dumb

[BANYA]

In all honesty if they aren't up to 1st grade/senior level at the age of 18 then i doubt they ever will be...

[brooksy7]

Happy new year Bwooksey I dont wanna keep harping on about you being dumb, however if you are gunna try and
talk like an adult, ya gotta make sure your on the ball brother.
I think the word you were looking for may be "moot' rather than "mute" anyway sorry for being so pedantic mate it's just an observation.

Just a bit of advice bruv, watching Judge Judy dosen't make you a lawyer.....Dumb Dumb

Shite Geezer 1 word is wht you had to pick on, you mongs are a touchy mob. Did I hit a nerve with highlighting the old guys you have??

And pouring a beer doesn't make you a wanker you was 1 b4 you started pouring them

Vino happy new year, hows the trolley's going in this weather

And Gweezer its Brooksy no W in my name, road scholar

[Left Right Out]

Surley its just a balance thing, its great to have a mix of "Oldies" and "Youngies" I think this is what Gardens have (Maybe others but I dont know there situations) you could then break it down into positions maybe, what positions do the "Oldies" play. Sweeper, Center Forward, holding midfielder maybe, you need to think more at times and or be clinical (in front of goals) this is where experience, cool head etc comes in. But for the "Younger" guys they may have positions that are more "workhorse" type of positions. So the blend that Gardens have you would say MUST be near perfect. But then attitude of the players the mixing of the players and the coaching staff must all be on the same page! BUT DEPTH Is also a key Gardens Ressies are very good side!

Why Amatuers over Feds
Commitment would come into it for some, dont want to train 3 nights a week - maybe for work or family reasons. Some people work Saturdays and others may get the same coin at an amatuer club than a fed.

But you cant knock the likes of Nathan, Jason, Brooksy and the like as they played more football at a higher level and now play amateurs.

Its when you see a 18 - 25 year old with ability not testing themselves at a higher level is the real shame. BUt every case would be different.

One thing that MAY come into it later are TRIALS at Federation clubs.

I also believe Brooksy hit the nail on the head with this comment:
Surely you only have to look at the federation leagues and see the crap standard that it is now, and this due to mainly the amount of young players being given a free game and not working hard to earn it!!!

[jogger]

I understand what you are saying Redback & it would be easier to make this transition from juniors to seniors if the SAASL had a youth setup ie U18 comp

Clubs loose focus of this development when there is no pathway set out by the league. Some boys are not yet ready for the senior setup so need a year or two playing at this level hopefully assisting them to make the transition. What some are getting mixed up with if you had a choice between A - older wiser player or B - a young kid who need a bit of work clubs within the SAASL set up are going to choose A cause most want players to hit the ground running & most would not even have the set up within thier infurstructure to provide this for the youth, hence why most head off to play federation level or we just loose them from the game all together.

Plus with it being only a 18 game season there is not alot of room for coaches to take a risk on some younger developing players & give them the time required in the team to develop as the season is too short & its a big risk with points hard to come by in the league esp Sunday Div 1

Isn't that what you are able to use the ressies league and trainings for. Trainings will help them gell with the first team players, develop them with the experience heads and get their advice and allow them to show it through the ressies side. On the odd occassion give them time off the bench against, play them in the cup etc etc. Give them a couple of years and they will start kicking out the "older" blokes.

[geezer]

Happy new year Bwooksey I dont wanna keep harping on about you being dumb, however if you are gunna try and
talk like an adult, ya gotta make sure your on the ball brother.
I think the word you were looking for may be "moot' rather than "mute" anyway sorry for being so pedantic mate it's just an observation.

Just a bit of advice bruv, watching Judge Judy dosen't make you a lawyer.....Dumb Dumb

Shite Geezer 1 word is wht you had to pick on, you mongs are a touchy mob. Did I hit a nerve with highlighting the old guys you have??

And pouring a beer doesn't make you a wanker you was 1 b4 you started pouring them

Vino happy new year, hows the trolley's going in this weather

And Gweezer its Brooksy no W in my name, road scholar

Not splitting hairs Dumb Dumb but its Rhodes scholar

[lisbon lion]

maybe he thought you were studying tarmac