"One Team Clubs " - a league of their own ?

[The General]

Given with all the alleged shifting/stacking of players that is occurring, should the ffsa look at having separate divisions for one team clubs ?
Then all the clubs who have more then one team can go for it against each other.
However if any of the one team clubs want to compete in the "other leagues" they can,but do so at their own peril.

Just had a rough look at the clubs, you could have MOSA, Raiders,NAB,Comets,A Villa, Seaford, Gawler + Eliz. Vale in division A

Brahma Lodge, Ingle Farm, Roseworthy, Pulteney, OUT, UniSa, Seymour, Salisbury United, in division B, they could have promotion + relegation,and their own Cup Competition.
Going by the current results, you wouldnt get as many of the big scores you are getting now, competition would be more evenly spread.

They could rock up every week knowing they would be playing a team that hasnt stacked their side,when you play them a second time you will recognise some of their players.

[Tony_Mowbray]

I think its more about the FFSA policing the guidelines that are set in place.

If clubs that only have one team cannot take advantage of "Legally" moving players from one division to the next then I say "tough luck" it is up to those clubs to try and promote their clubs and recruit players to build on the competition.

I say a fair competition for a fair competition. If teams legally play the right players at the right time then all good for the development of the clubs and the sport.

You have a point in that those 'Social' teams just wishing to have a kick about perhaps could have a league of their own, the risk being that a range of skills would be uncovered and unbalance the score lines. Hopefully to weed out those that may have ambitions for bigger and better things and move onto a more competitive league.

To those clubs that abuse the guidleines set in place "Shame on you"

[Lucas Leiva]

I think this post is implying any club with more than one team automatically stacks just because they can? I think that's a little unfair to all those clubs.

I think you'll find most clubs - including ours - follow the rules diligently. It's when one / two coaches at some clubs get a little carried away that gives all multiple team clubs a bad reputation.

I think the rules that are in place are sufficient. Have any of these clubs won leagues as a result of noticeable stacking?

I would hate people to think we won our league by stacking when it was a consistent 16 girl squad who fought hard all year with a couple of fill-ins from the Div 2s (one div above) during the exam period and uni break.

[juniorsupporter]

Div 3's might have done it all on their own. I can say that the U17's will win the cup due to "noticeable stacking". Within the rules, perhaps, But stacking nonetheless.

[Deutschland Duchess]

Given with all the alleged shifting/stacking of players that is occurring, should the ffsa look at having separate divisions for one team clubs ?
Then all the clubs who have more then one team can go for it against each other.
However if any of the one team clubs want to compete in the "other leagues" they can,but do so at their own peril.

Just had a rough look at the clubs, you could have MOSA, Raiders,NAB,Comets,A Villa, Seaford, Gawler + Eliz. Vale in division A

Brahma Lodge, Ingle Farm, Roseworthy, Pulteney, OUT, UniSa, Seymour, Salisbury United, in division B, they could have promotion + relegation,and their own Cup Competition.
Going by the current results, you wouldnt get as many of the big scores you are getting now, competition would be more evenly spread.

They could rock up every week knowing they would be playing a team that hasnt stacked their side,when you play them a second time you will recognise some of their players.

Forgot about State League side Parafield Gardens the General

This is where I believe the Gardens girls deserve alot of credit as they are 'a one team club' & have been able to sustain their staus whilst relying on a squad of 16 players and have been down to a bear 11 some weeks due to injury,work etc & have not been able to call upon any reinforcements - I believe a big reason why their challange for the title tappered away towards this seasons end

Not a fan of the idea tbh, if a team/club is good enough to progress then they should not be disadvantanged by wanting to challenge themselves at the highest level possible, in saying that thou YES I do believe the ruling on the player movement does need to be looked at & POLICED by the association!

[Caretaker Coach]

Given with all the alleged shifting/stacking of players that is occurring, should the ffsa look at having separate divisions for one team clubs ?
Then all the clubs who have more then one team can go for it against each other.
However if any of the one team clubs want to compete in the "other leagues" they can,but do so at their own peril.

Just had a rough look at the clubs, you could have MOSA, Raiders,NAB,Comets,A Villa, Seaford, Gawler + Eliz. Vale in division A

Brahma Lodge, Ingle Farm, Roseworthy, Pulteney, OUT, UniSa, Seymour, Salisbury United, in division B, they could have promotion + relegation,and their own Cup Competition.
Going by the current results, you wouldnt get as many of the big scores you are getting now, competition would be more evenly spread.

They could rock up every week knowing they would be playing a team that hasnt stacked their side,when you play them a second time you will recognise some of their players.

Forgot about State League side Parafield Gardens the General

This is where I believe the Gardens girls deserve alot of credit as they are 'a one team club' & have been able to sustain their staus whilst relying on a squad of 16 players and have been down to a bear 11 some weeks due to injury,work etc & have not been able to call upon any reinforcements - I believe a big reason why their challange for the title tappered away towards this seasons end

Not a fan of the idea tbh, if a team/club is good enough to progress then they should not be disadvantanged by wanting to challenge themselves at the highest level possible, in saying that thou YES I do believe the ruling on the player movement does need to be looked at & POLICED by the association!

I think the general was only looking at teams below State League level,few would argue that Parafield Gardens are doing a great job,would probably be too strong for the one team comp and would want to stay where they are ?

[The General]

I deliberately left out Parafield Gardens as i thought they would be too strong,and they are one of the few one club teams that are holding their own, at a high level of the game, and I admire for that.

Tony,the FFSA have a guideline in place,it is called " do a card check " Maybe we will have to start doing that and enforce the rule " no card = no play " It is not up to the Referee to decide, and they do not have the authority to grant a player without a pass, permission to play.
By the way,does your club have more then one team ?

[Tony_Mowbray]

TG. The club I support is a one team club and has been on the wrong end of a decision made by the referee. For some reason he allowed a player to enter the field of play despite doing a card check and finding that the player in question could not present a player card. A phone conversation between the ref and with Wendy from FFSA took place upon dispute of the refs decision before the game started, who said to him "No card = No game". This was later further disputed after the game in the form of a report to FFSA that later claimed the player in question was in fact a registered player, although they were not in attendance on the day and could not confirm who she was.

The girl played and had a huge impact on the scoreline and we lost.

[The General]

TG. The club I support is a one team club and has been on the wrong end of a decision made by the referee. For some reason he allowed a player to enter the field of play despite doing a card check and finding that the player in question could not present a player card. A phone conversation between the ref and with Wendy from FFSA took place upon dispute of the refs decision before the game started, who said to him "No card = No game". This was later further disputed after the game in the form of a report to FFSA that later claimed the player in question was in fact a registered player, although they were not in attendance on the day and could not confirm who she was.

The girl played and had a huge impact on the scoreline and we lost.

That sounds a bit odd,why did the referee get so involved,has nothing to do with him/her ? Most Refs I know keep out of those disputes - they are only there to ensure the safety of the players and apply the laws of the game,not to make decisions on a players eligibilty.
The reason I want the law enforced ( no card no play ) will go a long way to stopping clubs stacking their teams. Usually what happens is that player/s have played in another game,rush to your game,dont have their player pass with them - yes they are registered with the club,but dont normally play in that team, and if they dont have their pass with them,they cannot play.

[Deutschland Duchess]

Given with all the alleged shifting/stacking of players that is occurring, should the ffsa look at having separate divisions for one team clubs ?
Then all the clubs who have more then one team can go for it against each other.
However if any of the one team clubs want to compete in the "other leagues" they can,but do so at their own peril.

Just had a rough look at the clubs, you could have MOSA, Raiders,NAB,Comets,A Villa, Seaford, Gawler + Eliz. Vale in division A

Brahma Lodge, Ingle Farm, Roseworthy, Pulteney, OUT, UniSa, Seymour, Salisbury United, in division B, they could have promotion + relegation,and their own Cup Competition.
Going by the current results, you wouldnt get as many of the big scores you are getting now, competition would be more evenly spread.

They could rock up every week knowing they would be playing a team that hasnt stacked their side,when you play them a second time you will recognise some of their players.

Forgot about State League side Parafield Gardens the General

This is where I believe the Gardens girls deserve alot of credit as they are 'a one team club' & have been able to sustain their staus whilst relying on a squad of 16 players and have been down to a bear 11 some weeks due to injury,work etc & have not been able to call upon any reinforcements - I believe a big reason why their challange for the title tappered away towards this seasons end

Not a fan of the idea tbh, if a team/club is good enough to progress then they should not be disadvantanged by wanting to challenge themselves at the highest level possible, in saying that thou YES I do believe the ruling on the player movement does need to be looked at & POLICED by the association!

I think the general was only looking at teams below State League level,few would argue that Parafield Gardens are doing a great job,would probably be too strong for the one team comp and would want to stay where they are ?

My understanding CC is Parafield Gardens are committed to the FFSA structure & will continue where they are! I know the playing group are staying together (avg age 25yrs) & the coach is already in overdrive in the recruitment side of things in the areas where he knows need improving. The club is also exploring the options of a second team competiting in the social comp (with players unfortunalty being turned away ever preseason due to only limited squad #). With the womans sides wanting to play on the main pitch from next year the only hurdle is the men's side play under the SAASL banner meaning games are played on a Sunday,also 1&3pm kick offs, so trying to structure the draws will be an issue but something that can be soughted by the leagues if done early + the under 15 side will be taking the step up & competiting in the u17s comp next year so all things within the womans side of the club are really looking positive for the future

[Tony_Mowbray]

[quote="The General
That sounds a bit odd,why did the referee get so involved,has nothing to do with him/her ? Most Refs I know keep out of those disputes - they are only there to ensure the safety of the players and apply the laws of the game,not to make decisions on a players eligibilty.
.[/quote]


Like my posting on the other topic, according to rule 15 of the girls and womens competition.

"If there is any discrepancy with any of the player passes, the match official will make it know to
the relevant team manager. If a player is in attendance but does not have their player
registration card, the match official will direct that the player is not permitted to take to the
field of play.If there is any dispute relating to a player taking to the field and/or any direction provided by
the match official, the match official must note it on the team sheet. If there is a dispute
relating to the direction provided by the match official, the club must submit a report to the
FFSA by Monday following the weekend games."

There is no dispute that the match official is "THE REFEREE".

Admittedly he cannot judge on whether a player has moved legally between divisions but he can and should judge on the basis of player participation if no card can be produced.

[Ibrox]

[quote="The General
That sounds a bit odd,why did the referee get so involved,has nothing to do with him/her ? Most Refs I know keep out of those disputes - they are only there to ensure the safety of the players and apply the laws of the game,not to make decisions on a players eligibilty.
.

Like my posting on the other topic, according to rule 15 of the girls and womens competition.

"If there is any discrepancy with any of the player passes, the match official will make it know to
the relevant team manager. If a player is in attendance but does not have their player
registration card, the match official will direct that the player is not permitted to take to the
field of play.If there is any dispute relating to a player taking to the field and/or any direction provided by
the match official, the match official must note it on the team sheet. If there is a dispute
relating to the direction provided by the match official, the club must submit a report to the
FFSA by Monday following the weekend games."

There is no dispute that the match official is "THE REFEREE".

Admittedly he cannot judge on whether a player has moved legally between divisions but he can and should judge on the basis of player participation if no card can be produced.[/quote]

I think that is the whole point, what does a card check actually achieve to address the problem of team stacking? It might stop these clubs dropping more than the allowed 3 players from another division, but I think we can all agree that 3 players can make a huge difference. Also if these clubs have a team playing in a higher grade that has a bye that week (or possibly has the other club forfeit), a card check isn't going to stop them spreading those players out (if they are willing) between their other teams.

[Captn birdseye]

I've played for the same club when it's had only one team and also when it's had a few so i can understand the argument on both sides.....

Whilst i understand there are teams who genuinely stack for deliberate wins, i know there are others who are trying to fill teams for games. Maybe the league needs to look at the registration process and if multi team clubs don't have, say at least 14 registered players per team per division, then they can't enter another team until they do so.

[The General]

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Forgot about State League side Parafield Gardens the General

This is where I believe the Gardens girls deserve alot of credit as they are 'a one team club' & have been able to sustain their staus whilst relying on a squad of 16 players and have been down to a bear 11 some weeks due to injury,work etc & have not been able to call upon any reinforcements - I believe a big reason why their challange for the title tappered away towards this seasons end

Not a fan of the idea tbh, if a team/club is good enough to progress then they should not be disadvantanged by wanting to challenge themselves at the highest level possible, in saying that thou YES I do believe the ruling on the player movement does need to be looked at & POLICED by the association![/quote]

I think the general was only looking at teams below State League level,few would argue that Parafield Gardens are doing a great job,would probably be too strong for the one team comp and would want to stay where they are ?[/quote]

My understanding CC is Parafield Gardens are committed to the FFSA structure & will continue where they are! I know the playing group are staying together (avg age 25yrs) & the coach is already in overdrive in the recruitment side of things in the areas where he knows need improving. The club is also exploring the options of a second team competiting in the social comp (with players unfortunalty being turned away ever preseason due to only limited squad #). With the womans sides wanting to play on the main pitch from next year the only hurdle is the men's side play under the SAASL banner meaning games are played on a Sunday,also 1&3pm kick offs, so trying to structure the draws will be an issue but something that can be soughted by the leagues if done early + the under 15 side will be taking the step up & competiting in the u17s comp next year so all things within the womans side of the club are really looking positive for the future [/quote]

That is good hear,good luck with all that.
Does your club still have junior boys teams as well ? Can the playing / training area be altered to better accomodate 2 extra teams ?