CUP Semi- Final tommorow Night..........Flames V Parra Hills

Captn birdseye · Post by **Captn birdseye** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:30 pm

Div 3/4/5 cup semi final 7pm at

SAWSA Park
Greenhill Road
Adelaide, Australia

Should be an interesting match Parra Hills haven't played the last 6 rounds and Flames have had some good wins!

Anyone who's free should get down and cheer the girls on!

Yates · Post by **Yates** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:37 pm

Captn birdseye wrote:Div 3/4/5 cup semi final 7pm at

SAWSA Park
Greenhill Road
Adelaide, Australia

Should be an interesting match Parra Hills haven't played the last 6 rounds and Flames have had some good wins!

Anyone who's free should get down and cheer the girls on!

Hopefully the Raiders girls go down....i know the Flinders girls went and supported them when they played Para Hills in the cup round, hopefully they can repay the favour? I think most of Div 4 want Flinders to win this one!!!

L4OTH · Post by **L4OTH** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:46 pm

Why haven't they played for 6 rounds ???????????

themagnet · Post by **themagnet** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:34 pm

they've had a few of forfeits against them lately, but not 6 in a row. they've played at least twice this month

Lucas Leiva · Post by **Lucas Leiva** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:20 pm

Good luck to Flinders...they were good competitors each time we met them this season, improved vastly from Round 1. If their keeper has a good game like she did back in Round 8 against us, they might be up for it!

Caretaker Coach · Post by **Caretaker Coach** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:03 pm

Yates wrote:
Captn birdseye wrote:Div 3/4/5 cup semi final 7pm at

SAWSA Park
Greenhill Road
Adelaide, Australia

Should be an interesting match Parra Hills haven't played the last 6 rounds and Flames have had some good wins!

Anyone who's free should get down and cheer the girls on!

Hopefully the Raiders girls go down....i know the Flinders girls went and supported them when they played Para Hills in the cup round, hopefully they can repay the favour? I think most of Div 4 want Flinders to win this one!!!

I dont think so, some of div 4 want PH to win,to show you how strong div 4 is, I mean the 3rd team in div 4 ( Ade Uni ) has already knocked out what was the top team ( Eliz Vale ) at the time in div 3 . Good luck to both sides .

Sportybear · Post by **Sportybear** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:03 pm

Well done Para Hills United div 4!!

Solid win against Flames div 3.

I think it was 6-0 in the end.

The Flames keeper had lots of work to do and did well.

Hayley-PHU player · Post by **Hayley-PHU player** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:10 pm

GREAT GAME! End score was 6-0 Para Hills way...
Man of the match would deffs have to go to Flinders keeper tho! She Destroyed in net! Did the best she could... She should deffs be playing in a higher div then Div 3!

Finals at hindmarsh.... GET ON ITTTTTTTT! YEOWWWWWWWWWWWW!

batumgoesthedynamite · Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:39 pm

She does. She plays in there state league team

Ad uni 17s full of state league players as well.

Terrible to see, really disappointing for the state of soccer to see state league teams load up there lesser teams in an attempt for cup success.

gunners14 · Post by **gunners14** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:12 pm

Hellllo hindmarsh

No joke that keeper was best on ground, great win though girls so proud of all my team mates, well done flinders flames, good to play a good competitive side, I thoroughly enjoyed playing against yous

Lets go para hills unitedddddd <3

Strikergal · Post by **Strikergal** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:00 am

Terrible to see, really disappointing for the state of soccer to see state league teams load up there lesser teams in an attempt for cup success.[/quote]

From what i've heard this week, this isn't the first time for Flinders to stack their teams. I heard 2 teams (not sure which ones or div) have been given 3 points after Flinders played over 5 State League players in lower div teams! Not fair play at all, but glad they were busted

The General · Post by **The General** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:36 am

I only saw the 2nd half, apart from when Flinders attacked a couple of times, it was pretty much one way traffic for most of the game. The Gk did have a good game ( Flinders ) ,however a lot of the shots were hit straight at her, otherwise the score could easily have been double ( imo ).
As for clubs stacking their sides,that has been an ongoing issue for many years not new.

It is disappointing it happens,and the game in this state will be very slow to develop at the top level,if players continue to " punch below their weight " ( play way below their capabilities ), all in the name of winning

I am working on a suggestion plan to eliminate this, it wont be popular with the clubs who have more then one team, why should clubs who only have one team ( senior or junior ) be continually disa-advantaged ? stay tuned.

themagnet · Post by **themagnet** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:34 am

pinkyellowblue wrote:She does. She plays in there state league team

Ad uni 17s full of state league players as well.

Terrible to see, really disappointing for the state of soccer to see state league teams load up there lesser teams in an attempt for cup success.

Flinders are getting a bit of a reputation for doing this, not just in the cup :?

The General · Post by **The General** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:18 pm

themagnet wrote:
pinkyellowblue wrote:She does. She plays in there state league team

Ad uni 17s full of state league players as well.

Terrible to see, really disappointing for the state of soccer to see state league teams load up there lesser teams in an attempt for cup success.
Flinders are getting a bit of a reputation for doing this, not just in the cup :?

That's what usually happens when you nominate more teams then what you have players for.
Have players playing 2 games most weeks. I would not be suprised if Ade Uni have the same problem.

Yates · Post by **Yates** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:54 pm

pinkyellowblue wrote:She does. She plays in there state league team

Ad uni 17s full of state league players as well.

Terrible to see, really disappointing for the state of soccer to see state league teams load up there lesser teams in an attempt for cup success.

The Flinders div 3 team doesn't have a keeper (hasn't all season), the keeper from state league keeps for them if she doesn't have a game clash and if she does, the keeper from div 4/5 covers.

I know Flinders have had alot of flack this year for stacking teams but i know for a fact that they don't have enough players this year (they should have only put in 4 teams this year! committee screw up!) i know the div 5 girls play both 5 and 4 each week and half of div 2 play for state as well and the other half play div 3 as well each week. It's not a deliberate thing on their part to win it's about not forfeiting......

adelaidepie · Post by **adelaidepie** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:32 pm

Strikergal could you please clarifiy this as I have not heard which teams have had points reduced so maybe you are in the know on this.

Second goalkeepers can move down and play in lower teams as a goal keeper.

Lastly comments have been made about Flinders 'stacking players but 'no team as far as I know have been provento be correct, so again if you are in the know here please clarify which team when? I do rememer unisa once stating about this who played against them andscoreda fewgaols and they thought she was from a higher team, becuase this girl scored a hatrick. I clarified that this girl came from div 5 and only stated playing this year. so as with most players they get better so this can be seen by some clubs as moving players up and down because the results change but I can assure you the correct rules are always applied and any team can ask for a card check so if it is sooooo obvious that this is happening why no card checks????

Me thinks sometimes people put two and two together and get 5

Adelaidepie Julian

Strikergal
Post subject: Re: CUP Semi- Final tommorow Night..........Flames V Parra H

Terrible to see, really disappointing for the state of soccer to see state league teams load up there lesser teams in an attempt for cup success.[/quote]

From what i've heard this week, this isn't the first time for Flinders to stack their teams. I heard 2 teams (not sure which ones or div) have been given 3 points after Flinders played over 5 State League players in lower div teams! Not fair play at all, but glad they were busted

Caretaker Coach · Post by **Caretaker Coach** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:07 am

I wouldnt go much on what is just hearsay at the moment,surely Flinders would be smarter then that ( moving State league players down ? ) I know some of the Flinders girls,and when we played them in div 4 the 2nd time,there were a couple of players that moved down from the div 3 side to play us ( Uni Sa )and that is fine as the rule allows that. Where it makes it hard for us is that we were suppose to be in div 5,but the FFSA in their wisdom decided to move the team up to div 4,so I offered to help them out when I can.
Has already been stated most of the teams in div 4+5,are just social teams,some dont even train,we are lucky to get half a dozen players on our one training night a week,and Sundays is pot luck who turns up. If other teams ,have to bring other players down from a higher division, and then get really excited when they beat us,I fail to see the logic in that,as they would probably do well against us with their regular side.
When we played the Ade Uni team the second time, some of their team we played the first time,played in the game before us for div 5. Some of those players had to play again,and they "borrowed" some from another one of their teams to make up the numbers,the score was 9-0,you work out the rest.According to one of their players,they too nominated too many teams.
If we have to start worrying about card checks in div 4+5,then there is something seriously wrong.

I am sure there are some clubs ,who have more then one team,who do the right thing,and unfortunately for them,whenever they have a surprise result, in their favour, they wont get the recognition they deserve,will be accused of stacking their side,because of what other clubs do

Tony_Mowbray · Post by **Tony_Mowbray** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:54 am

I can tell you that as a div 3 side supporter I know that Flinders Uni 'allegedly' played there state league goal keeper in a div 3/4/5 cup game and could not also produce their player id card but the referee allowed her to play. WTF?? A 2nd girl who also did not have her player card fortunatley did not play. I suspect she too was from a higher division and was named on the team sheet. The FFSA was called, by phone, on the day before the kick off having done the card check, and apparently instructed the referee that no card meant no game. The keeper did in fact play and prevented many opportunities from being conceded. Work that one out?

This being true then not only did the player jump more than 1 lower division that they field but also breached the eligibility rule.

The big joke is that the FFSA did not do anything about it although they confirmed this was the case in an email to the club delegate.

And this is how they progressed through to the next round

Strikergal · Post by **Strikergal** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:23 am

Was told last night that it was Salsbury Inter both the teams got the points from Flinders. Apparently 7 state players played in div 2 and 2 state players in div 4. well and truly against the rules. Not sure how a card check would make a difference unless each club has a list of state league players

adelaidepie wrote:Strikergal could you please clarifiy this as I have not heard which teams have had points reduced so maybe you are in the know on this.

Second goalkeepers can move down and play in lower teams as a goal keeper.

Lastly comments have been made about Flinders 'stacking players but 'no team as far as I know have been provento be correct, so again if you are in the know here please clarify which team when? I do rememer unisa once stating about this who played against them andscoreda fewgaols and they thought she was from a higher team, becuase this girl scored a hatrick. I clarified that this girl came from div 5 and only stated playing this year. so as with most players they get better so this can be seen by some clubs as moving players up and down because the results change but I can assure you the correct rules are always applied and any team can ask for a card check so if it is sooooo obvious that this is happening why no card checks????

Me thinks sometimes people put two and two together and get 5

Adelaidepie Julian

Strikergal
Post subject: Re: CUP Semi- Final tommorow Night..........Flames V Parra H

Terrible to see, really disappointing for the state of soccer to see state league teams load up there lesser teams in an attempt for cup success.

From what i've heard this week, this isn't the first time for Flinders to stack their teams. I heard 2 teams (not sure which ones or div) have been given 3 points after Flinders played over 5 State League players in lower div teams! Not fair play at all, but glad they were busted[/quote]

King Elijah · Post by **King Elijah** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:48 pm

Tony_Mowbray wrote:I can tell you that as a div 3 side supporter I know that Flinders Uni 'allegedly' played there state league goal keeper in a div 3/4/5 cup game and could not also produce their player id card but the referee allowed her to play. WTF?? A 2nd girl who also did not have her player card fortunatley did not play. I suspect she too was from a higher division and was named on the team sheet. The FFSA was called, by phone, on the day before the kick off having done the card check, and apparently instructed the referee that no card meant no game. The keeper did in fact play and prevented many opportunities from being conceded. Work that one out?

This being true then not only did the player jump more than 1 lower division that they field but also breached the eligibility rule.

The big joke is that the FFSA did not do anything about it although they confirmed this was the case in an email to the club delegate.

And this is how they progressed through to the next round

Just in relation to players not having cards. When i did the referee training course I was told that cards are only checked if requested by a team and if a player does not have a card it is not up to the referee to say that they can not play. The referee is however suppose to report the fact that a player did not have a card to the league and it is then the leagues responsibility as to what happens (eg; suspension, take points away, reverse result.etc)

themagnet · Post by **themagnet** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:06 pm

Tony_Mowbray wrote:I

This being true then not only did the player jump more than 1 lower division that they field but also breached the eligibility rule.

This is what is most frustrating for those of us in the lower div's. It's one thing to drop down one division to make up numbers, but we shouldn't be seeing State league players on div 3/4/5 team sheets.
If the div 3 team didn't have a GK, then either the div 2 girl should be the one dropping down, or someone has to put their hand up and give the position a shot.

Tony_Mowbray · Post by **Tony_Mowbray** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:09 pm

King Elijah wrote:
Tony_Mowbray wrote:I can tell you that as a div 3 side supporter I know that Flinders Uni 'allegedly' played there state league goal keeper in a div 3/4/5 cup game and could not also produce their player id card but the referee allowed her to play. WTF?? A 2nd girl who also did not have her player card fortunatley did not play. I suspect she too was from a higher division and was named on the team sheet. The FFSA was called, by phone, on the day before the kick off having done the card check, and apparently instructed the referee that no card meant no game. The keeper did in fact play and prevented many opportunities from being conceded. Work that one out?

This being true then not only did the player jump more than 1 lower division that they field but also breached the eligibility rule.

The big joke is that the FFSA did not do anything about it although they confirmed this was the case in an email to the club delegate.

And this is how they progressed through to the next round
Just in relation to players not having cards. When i did the referee training course I was told that cards are only checked if requested by a team and if a player does not have a card it is not up to the referee to say that they can not play. The referee is however suppose to report the fact that a player did not have a card to the league and it is then the leagues responsibility as to what happens (eg; suspension, take points away, reverse result.etc)

You are partly correct, however according to rule 15 of the girls and womens competition.

"If there is any discrepancy with any of the player passes, the match official will make it know to
the relevant team manager. If a player is in attendance but does not have their player
registration card, the match official will direct that the player is not permitted to take to the
field of play.If there is any dispute relating to a player taking to the field and/or any direction provided by
the match official, the match official must note it on the team sheet. If there is a dispute
relating to the direction provided by the match official, the club must submit a report to the
FFSA by Monday following the weekend games."

There is no dispute that the match official is "THE REFEREE".

Ibrox · Post by **Ibrox** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:48 pm

As I understand it in the women's comp Goal Keepers are exempt from most of the movement rules, except those regarding age. So long as she stays between the sticks she could drop down as far as she likes.

adelaidepie · Post by **adelaidepie** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:55 pm

I think you will find the ffsa are reviewing the inter game again as they reacted before realising flinders state league didn't have a game that week and therefore 3 plays can drop down a grade. As for the semi and players being swapped I couldn't say at the start ad I wasn't there however the players playing that I saw are all div 3, plus there were numerous players from teams above who were available but weren't asked because the club knew they didn't qualify. I do hope that you saw the card checks and can confirm this rather than 3 rd hand because it would surprise me flinders like all clubs would know the rules re playing in a semi final!

re the uni div 5 loss to flinders as stated before one of the flinders girls who scored a hattrick came from flinders div5 and is a regular div 5 and hence the reason she played up was to help numbers and because she showed promise she does not play for div 3. the other girl that scored a hattrick in that game is a regular div . Hope this clears some miths

Adelaidepie julian

adelaidepie · Post by **adelaidepie** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:36 pm

Add to this comment about goalkeepers, is that flinders this season have struggled with goalkeepers and therefore you will find the keeper for the cup game is the same keeper who players div 2 and state league normally so it was the div 2 keeper if you look at it that way. She players div 2 keeper then state league if they clash then state league only as you would as their keeper.

As for 7 state leauge players at inter and 2 in the div 4I think you will find that is wrong, but time will tell once the ffsa match committe review the evidence.

Interesting thou and this is not a shot at anyone, club or person, how sometimes the perception can be that a club is doing something, when once the evidence is out they aren't. I'm not saying 100% if flinders are right or wrong, Im not a committee person and or with the FFSA, so time will tell. However if the result if it has been ruled against flinders, is reverted back then how do these 'rumours' start? Is it someone talking from the ffsa, some club official commenting when all the facts arent available?

As said not having a pot at inter or any club as this happens every season, but I would say if a club suspects something then they complain, once ffsa have all the facts (Which I don't believe they did in the flinders / inter games) and then make a ruling then we know what has happened, howver before this, it is then only rumour isn't it?

Adelaidepie Julian

Strikergal · Post by **Strikergal** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:34 pm

Not sure where your getting the idea that ffsa are reviewing the inter game again, i was told that the club was informed by email only yesterday. Not sure what your on about them reacting before hand, they were fully aware that state league had a bye (has been like that all seaon), i'm sure they just didn't think flinders would be dumb enough to drop 7 players.

adelaidepie wrote:I think you will find the ffsa are reviewing the inter game again as they reacted before realising flinders state league didn't have a game that week and therefore 3 plays can drop down a grade. As for the semi and players being swapped I couldn't say at the start ad I wasn't there however the players playing that I saw are all div 3, plus there were numerous players from teams above who were available but weren't asked because the club knew they didn't qualify. I do hope that you saw the card checks and can confirm this rather than 3 rd hand because it would surprise me flinders like all clubs would know the rules re playing in a semi final!

re the uni div 5 loss to flinders as stated before one of the flinders girls who scored a hattrick came from flinders div5 and is a regular div 5 and hence the reason she played up was to help numbers and because she showed promise she does not play for div 3. the other girl that scored a hattrick in that game is a regular div . Hope this clears some miths

Adelaidepie julian

adelaidepie · Post by **adelaidepie** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:49 pm

strikergirl from flames, They (flinders) had no idea there was an issue and that there had been a ruling until they received the email in which case they then immediately clarified what had happened eg state team no game, so ffsa are now having another look.

Not sure where you are getting 7 players, but if you know them great I will stand to be corrected, however I don know Flinders have clarified information to the FFSA and this is going back to the panel so all not what it seems I assure you.

My comment about reacting was not just in relations to the Flinders game it is about how this simular topic comes up just about every year for one club or another

Adelaidepie Julian

adelaidepie · Post by **adelaidepie** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:11 am

So strikergirl if the flinders games against inter are wrong and the goalkeeper in the semis was ok which other games have flinders been stacking their teams! I'm sure if you look at the clubs results you will see if they have been stacking their teams they haven't been doing a very good job if their results are right?

Not having a go at you strikergirl, if they did something wrong (Flinders ) then the ffsa will be ref and makea decision, whoever if they didn't then people are giving them stick for the wrong reasons which isn't fair.

I think you will also see that as para united (not their fault) had to start in a lower division as a new club, flinders had the opposite where their teams where promoted even though last year none won their divisions it was just because they got more players to the club. This years div 4 is mostly last years div 5 which struggled, ditto div 4''s last year are div 3 this year. So one like most clubs and I could say look at Brahma lst year struggled this year really good. So their may have picked up a player or so but the coach has taught them.

As with my earlier comment sometimes people see results and put 2- 2 together but dont make 4!

Adelaidepie Julian

Strikergal · Post by **Strikergal** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:57 am

i said i heard this isnt the first time they had stacked the teams, never said this was a fact. I dont follow either team so cant say i know your results. But i do know for a fact that inter getting those points is not a rumour, ffsa made the decision based on evidence. All they would have needed was team sheets. If they do revoke the points then thats great for flames, but cant see that happening. So not putting 2 and 2 together, am going on facts, ffsa would not have made the decision without investigating first!

BIFF · Post by **BIFF** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:41 pm

Salisbury Inter received confirmation by email that Flinders had breached the rules regarding a maximum of 3 players being dropped for 1 match and as such both Div 2 & Div 4 results would be awarded to Inter. 2 players who had played a number of games in the state league played in the Division 4 match and in the Division 2 game a total of 7 players had played 5 or more games in the state league. Of the 7 there were 3 that had played more than 5 matches in the state league whilst the other 4 had played 9 games or more. The fact that the state league team had the bye should not be used as an excuse as dropping so many players down for this game is not really in the spirit of the game. Inter were unfortunate to have had the fixture draw on the same round when the Flinders state league team had the bye and were also beaten 5-2 in round 2 by a Flinders side who bore no resemblance to the team that was beaten quite easily the following week (I watched them lose 0-6 to Munno Para) . No complaint was made at the time as after only 2 rounds it is not clear which players are from any particular division. However , in round 16 it was obvious that this was not a team that was sitting at the foot of the Div 2 table (note that once again the following round they lost 0-6 to Munno Para).
At Inter we at times have found it difficult to field 2 teams but we have not resorted to stacking our Div 4 team with Div 2 players but rather have made it the priority to make sure Div 2 is filled first and if players are required for Div 4 we have player's friends or relatives (most of whom have never played before) make up the numbers with a forfeit only being a last option. We also play Adelaide Uni in the same round as their state league has the bye but to their credit they have not stacked their team. Inter prides itself on its history and its reputation for fair play and we did not take the decision lightly to pursue this matter (in fact we would have been happy to replay the game) but in the end the FFSA has simply enforced the rules as stated and sent a message to all clubs that this competition is about fair play as much as it is about winning.