Italy loses Champions League place

[BAGGIO 15]

The number of Champions League places allocated to clubs in Serie A will be reduced to just three from the start of the 2012-13 season.

Despite Inter's victory in the competition last year poor performances in general from Italian clubs over the last decade has seen their co-efficient ranking plummet.

Inter, Roma and Milan all lost the home legs of their Champions League knock out ties this month, making the prospect of any Italian team reaching the Quarter-Finals slim to none.

The distance between Italy and Germany in the co-efficient rankings is now too big to recover and in two years' time the team that finishes third in Serie A will have to go through the preliminary stages to reach the Champions League outright.

There are also ramifications for participation in the Europa League, as from 2012-13 the team that finishes sixth in Serie A will stay at home.

[ronaldo07]

about time..
always says seria a is sh1t in recent years but nobody listening

[BTAC]

about time..
always says seria a is sh1t in recent years but nobody listening

Why would nobody listen to what you have to say? I'm shocked.

[# 9]

i can see what they mean and they do have some good points to back theyre decisions. but i still think keeping the 4th spot is fair for Serie A. It is still a WONDERFUL league to watch.

Also what will they do with the spot that was taken away, just delete it or give it to another league? EPL perhaps seein as Spurs and City have joined the group as title contenders, top 6.

[Mato]

i can see what they mean and they do have some good points to back theyre decisions. but i still think keeping the 4th spot is fair for Serie A. It is still a WONDERFUL league to watch.

Also what will they do with the spot that was taken away, just delete it or give it to another league? EPL perhaps seein as Spurs and City have joined the group as title contenders, top 6.

Realistically they should give it to EPL. Bundesliga will be getting it though.

[Hawkseys Double]

i can see what they mean and they do have some good points to back theyre decisions. but i still think keeping the 4th spot is fair for Serie A. It is still a WONDERFUL league to watch.

Also what will they do with the spot that was taken away, just delete it or give it to another league? EPL perhaps seein as Spurs and City have joined the group as title contenders, top 6.

+1 Give it to the premier league, seeing as it is currently the most largely competitive.

[DOC]

bundesliga is awesome atm, much more entertaining than serie a

[guti]

Coefficients are based on the only objective criteria available in football. Results. Germany has earned it.

[PhilDunphy]

i can see what they mean and they do have some good points to back theyre decisions. but i still think keeping the 4th spot is fair for Serie A. It is still a WONDERFUL league to watch.

Also what will they do with the spot that was taken away, just delete it or give it to another league? EPL perhaps seein as Spurs and City have joined the group as title contenders, top 6.

+1 Give it to the premier league, seeing as it is currently the most largely competitive.

you just have to look at how many english sides make it to the end of the tournament, a couple of years ago 3 out of the final 4 were english teams. and they usually always progress to at least quarters/semis, contested 5 out of the last 6 finals

2004/05 Liverpool v Milan
2005/06 Arsenal v Barcelona
2006/07 Liverpool v Milan
2007/08 Manchester United v Chelsea
2008/09 Manchester United v Barcelona

[Juventino]

i can see what they mean and they do have some good points to back theyre decisions. but i still think keeping the 4th spot is fair for Serie A. It is still a WONDERFUL league to watch.

Also what will they do with the spot that was taken away, just delete it or give it to another league? EPL perhaps seein as Spurs and City have joined the group as title contenders, top 6.

Realistically they should give it to EPL. Bundesliga will be getting it though.

4 teams is 3 too many as it is. Why should England get more?

[Iniesta]

i can see what they mean and they do have some good points to back theyre decisions. but i still think keeping the 4th spot is fair for Serie A. It is still a WONDERFUL league to watch.

Also what will they do with the spot that was taken away, just delete it or give it to another league? EPL perhaps seein as Spurs and City have joined the group as title contenders, top 6.

+1 Give it to the premier league, seeing as it is currently the most largely competitive.

you just have to look at how many english sides make it to the end of the tournament, a couple of years ago 3 out of the final 4 were english teams. and they usually always progress to at least quarters/semis, contested 5 out of the last 6 finals

2004/05 Liverpool v Milan
2005/06 Arsenal v Barcelona
2006/07 Liverpool v Milan
2007/08 Manchester United v Chelsea
2008/09 Manchester United v Barcelona

And yet only 2 English clubs have won the Champions League in the last 10 years. EPL = overrated.

[# 9]

lol @ iniesta

[Hawkseys Double]

And yet only 2 English clubs have won the Champions League in the last 10 years. EPL = overrated.

I'm fairly sure the EPL is more challenging than the La Liga. It's either Real or Barca challenging for the title, this year has shown, in the coming years the top six of the Premier League is going to be very tight. The matter of the fact is, English teams are always progressing in the Champions League. Take note.

[Facts and Stats]

It should be one team only from each league. Or rename it back to the European Cup.

It is not a Champions League in any way......

[Hawkseys Double]

It should be one team only from each league. Or rename it back to the European Cup.

It is not a Champions League in any way......

True, but still it is interesting to see the elite clubs in Europe thrash it out

[IWPF_GTFC]

It should be one team only from each league. Or rename it back to the European Cup.

It is not a Champions League in any way......

True, but still it is interesting to see the elite clubs in Europe thrash it out

Thats true bro, who u go for?

[Hawkseys Double]

It should be one team only from each league. Or rename it back to the European Cup.

It is not a Champions League in any way......

True, but still it is interesting to see the elite clubs in Europe thrash it out

Thats true bro, who u go for?

You can't see my signature? It's a dead give away with my name also.

But Spurs!

[IWPF_GTFC]

It should be one team only from each league. Or rename it back to the European Cup.



True, but still it is interesting to see the elite clubs in Europe thrash it out

Thats true bro, who u go for?

You can't see my signature? It's a dead give away with my name also.

But Spurs!

Haha my bad man, didnt even check any of them
You happy with their performance this season so far? Im a Green Town fan.

[Hawkseys Double]

Beyond happy. Redknapp has changed the face of Spurs, we are now a team with top 4 credentials and are even planning a crack at the league in a few years. Who wouldn't be happy with that after years being a cup team! I enjoyed being a "cup team" but for too long we watch Chelsea and Arsenal at the top of the table. I think we needed to change that mentality, and it's a bonus to see Spurs playing well in Europe and getting the results. Wins at the San Siro and at home vs Inter proved we are a quality side, hopefully we can get ourselves a world class striker and then I think we can be a genuine threat to the title.

[El Capitano]

Italy loses Champions League place

Unlucky.

[ruud]

guys - for those who dont know - noone "makes" this decision, its all based on coefficients (where a country received points based on how well their clubs go in european competitions) and your ranking

see here for the rankings - http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uef ... k2011.html

germany is destroying italy at the moment in terms of points (despite inter winning the CL last year)

however i must point out, it is a flawed system as europa cup wins contribute the same amount of points as a CL win

[Nice One Cyril]

Coefficients are based on the only objective criteria available in football. Results. Germany has earned it.

How? The national team maybe, but they don't play in the Champions League. In the last four seasons (including this one) only 6 Bundesliga teams have made the last 16, against 15 EPL teams.

If you're basing it on results then it could only go in one direction.

[DOC]

Coefficients are based on the only objective criteria available in football. Results. Germany has earned it.

How? The national team maybe, but they don't play in the Champions League. In the last four seasons (including this one) only 6 Bundesliga teams have made the last 16, against 15 EPL teams.

If you're basing it on results then it could only go in one direction.

4 is the max one nation will get

so germany is the next best ranked nation with 3 behind england, spain and for a little bit longer italy, so they get it

[ruud]

Coefficients are based on the only objective criteria available in football. Results. Germany has earned it.

How? The national team maybe, but they don't play in the Champions League. In the last four seasons (including this one) only 6 Bundesliga teams have made the last 16, against 15 EPL teams.

If you're basing it on results then it could only go in one direction.

however i must point out, it is a flawed system as europa cup wins contribute the same amount of points as a CL win

[Nice One Cyril]

Coefficients are based on the only objective criteria available in football. Results. Germany has earned it.

How? The national team maybe, but they don't play in the Champions League. In the last four seasons (including this one) only 6 Bundesliga teams have made the last 16, against 15 EPL teams.

If you're basing it on results then it could only go in one direction.

4 is the max one nation will get

so germany is the next best ranked nation with 3 behind england, spain and for a little bit longer italy, so they get it

Fair enough but then it's not really based on results, more on political expediency.

[DOC]

Fair enough but then it's not really based on results, more on political expediency.

you do know its FIFA and EUFA right? what did you expect

[Nice One Cyril]

Fair enough but then it's not really based on results, more on political expediency.

you do know its FIFA and EUFA right? what did you expect

I didn't say i was surprised

[guti]

Fair enough but then it's not really based on results, more on political expediency.

How so? If Russian teams start winning in Europe, they go up the list and are eligible for more spots. The teams from the countries that do well are rewarded. The point of including both the UCL and Europa is to reward leagues that have strength in depth as opposed to leagues that have two or three big teams and then fuck all (ie Portugal, Scotland)

[Nice One Cyril]

Fair enough but then it's not really based on results, more on political expediency.

How so? If Russian teams start winning in Europe, they go up the list and are eligible for more spots. The teams from the countries that do well are rewarded. The point of including both the UCL and Europa is to reward leagues that have strength in depth as opposed to leagues that have two or three big teams and then shiraz all (ie Portugal, Scotland)

Except that it's limited by UEFA politics to four spots per country. It's meant to be the premier competition in Europe, yet teams like Tel Aviv (is that even IN Europe?), Zilina, Cluj and Bursaspor are consistently getting in ahead of teams like Man City, Liverpool or Spurs. If their leagues are wank then don't give them any CL spots until they at least consistently reach the last 8 of the Europa.

[ruud]

Fair enough but then it's not really based on results, more on political expediency.

How so? If Russian teams start winning in Europe, they go up the list and are eligible for more spots. The teams from the countries that do well are rewarded. The point of including both the UCL and Europa is to reward leagues that have strength in depth as opposed to leagues that have two or three big teams and then shiraz all (ie Portugal, Scotland)

Except that it's limited by UEFA politics to four spots per country. It's meant to be the premier competition in Europe, yet teams like Tel Aviv (is that even IN Europe?), Zilina, Cluj and Bursaspor are consistently getting in ahead of teams like Man City, Liverpool or Spurs. If their leagues are wank then don't give them any CL spots until they at least consistently reach the last 8 of the Europa.

a champion of a 'lower league' should have a greater right to European competition than 6th place in the EPL...