Linesman question

[Steve#4]

Can a linesman be carded for an indescretion towards a ref?

[Dad's Army]

No. But a player on the bench can. If a player on the bench was running the line then I guess he can card him as a player. I've never seen it happen though.

[Steve#4]

I have, hence the question.....Not saying he didn't deserve it, just wondered if it was able to be done.

[Dad's Army]

I wish I had seen it.
A sub or subbed player running the line is still a player and that being the case I guess he can be booked for a bookable offence.

[Steve#4]

Wish I hadn't

Would still like a definitave answer on this?

[Dad's Army]

Would still like a definitave answer on this?

Translation: I would like an answer that agrees with my opinion.

A player on the team sheet running the line is still a player.

[Steve#4]

No.....You used "Guess" in both your responses......

This is why I would like an answer from someone that is not guessing. No need for a translation.

[rooboy1986]

Yes, if he is a player (or substitute - or substituted players) he is subject to the same laws as every other player... hence dissent etc. is a cautionable offence.

Hence, find a parent to run the line...

[Steve#4]

Thanks for that

[Dad's Army]

No.....You used "Guess" in both your responses.......

The only guess I had to make was whether the person was running the line was a player or not since you didn't clarify.

[swannsong]

I guess that's it then ?

[swannsong]

On a further note...shouldn't anyone in the technical area be able to be cautioned or sent off by the referee also ?

A player is cautioned and shown a yellow card if he/she commits any of the following offences:

Dissent by word or action
Persistent infringement on the Laws of the Game
Delaying the restart of play (includes deliberate time-wasting tactics)
Failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick, throw-in or free kick
Entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission
Deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission.
In addition, a player is cautioned and shown a yellow card for "unsporting behaviour" which includes but is not limited to:

Extravagant celebration, such as covering one's head with one's jersey or removing it over the head,[5]
Simulating actions intended to deceive the referee, such as diving.
A poor challenge or tackle.
Beginning with the 2010 FIFA World Cup, feigning a kick during a penalty kick.
A substitute or substituted player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he/she commits any of the following three offences:

Unsporting behaviour (as above).
Showing dissent by word or action.
Delaying the restart of play.

[Steve#4]

After reading that I have another question...It makes no note of a red card, only yellow.

Is it legal to get a Red card and if so what is the line you have to cross to do so?

[swannsong]

After reading that I have another question...It makes no note of a red card, only yellow.

Is it legal to get a Red card and if so what is the line you have to cross to do so?

The thin red line

[Hawkesy]

After reading that I have another question...It makes no note of a red card, only yellow.

Is it legal to get a Red card and if so what is the line you have to cross to do so?

the same laws apply to substitutes and substituted players as they do to players currently on the pitch. So if they do something deserving of red card, then they get one.

Managers/Coaches/Physios cannot be shown any coloured card (unless they are named as players as well in that game).

So with your original question, if the linesman is on the team sheet then he can be booked or sent off. If he isn't, he can't be.

I have seen a referee book a player warming up for the A's game before. He had taken part in the B's game and said something while warming up so cautioned him. He took down the wrong shirt number though as he now had his A grade shirt on.

[kramerica]

Can a linesman be carded for an indescretion towards a ref?

If your a named player on the team sheet, you can definately be carded.

Who are you playing this weekend

[Cobweb Rides Again]

A referee has the power to remove anyone from the game whether it be player, official, linesman or even spectator. For a player he merely has to show a red card, for the other three all he has to do is call the delegate ( club marshall ) over and ask for a particular person to remove themselves from the immediate area before he will recommence a game. This includes linesman, coaches, managers and yes, spectators. This year saw a SAASL referee stand down a club linesman before the kick off of the main event because of his dissent and bias during a ressies game. Funny thing was the club linesman was an official ref himself!!!!!

[Rob Lozza]

I wish I had seen it.
A sub or subbed player running the line is still a player and that being the case I guess he can be booked for a bookable offence.

I once cautioned a player for dissent who had been sub'd and was then "running the line". Because he had been previously cautioned on the field, I then showed him the red card. He then told me to "get fc-d".

Hawkesy, do you remember the game? (No, the player involved was not Hawkesy. I never cautioned him becuase he knows the LOTG and how far they can be bent!)

[Pommy09]

i have had this before while refereeing and if the player is running the line then you cant card him but officailly remove him from the area like u can with a spectator coach parent etc. if that happens then he can not come back as a player at all.

[The Zarate Kid]

Running the line or not a player is still a player.

[Rob Lozza]

Running the line or not a player is still a player.

[swannsong]

I once cautioned a trainer/physio for giving me too much abuse and said if he kept it up I would want him removed from the technical area and I would not allow him onto the field to treat injured players.....if someone was seriously injured and I wouldn't let him on to treat them...could I be held liable ?

[Rob Lozza]

According to the LOTG, swannsong, no. According to the laws of the land, good question!

[muts]

A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if he commits any of the
following three offences:
• unsporting behaviour
• dissent by word or action
• delaying the restart of play

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the
following seven offences:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within
his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving
towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a
penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match

If your name is on the team sheet, you are a player.

[guti]

I wish I had seen it.
A sub or subbed player running the line is still a player and that being the case I guess he can be booked for a bookable offence.

I once cautioned a player for dissent who had been sub'd and was then "running the line". Because he had been previously cautioned on the field, I then showed him the red card. He then told me to "get fc-d".

Hawkesy, do you remember the game? (No, the player involved was not Hawkesy. I never cautioned him becuase he knows the LOTG and how far they can be bent!)

Was played on the Atkinson Oval from memory.

[Faldo_56]

I wanna put a spanner in the works with this question. Should a Team not be able to supply a linesman as per requirement, and theyhave no choice but to use their own subs to take on this role - This playerwould not be a player but be acting as the Linesman and until he isrequired as a sub for his team he is NOT a player. He plays no part in thegame except as an impartial official of the game. He should be treated withthe same respect as another other assistant ref, and hence cant be bookedfor any indiscretion. However, that is not to say should he fail in hisduties to perform the Linesman's duties the Central Referee has the powerto relieve him from his position and another Assistant MUST be found beforethe game can be continued, else it is abandoned..

[rooboy1986]

I wanna put a spanner in the works with this question. Should a Team not be able to supply a linesman as per requirement, and theyhave no choice but to use their own subs to take on this role - This playerwould not be a player but be acting as the Linesman and until he isrequired as a sub for his team he is NOT a player. He plays no part in thegame except as an impartial official of the game. He should be treated withthe same respect as another other assistant ref, and hence cant be bookedfor any indiscretion. However, that is not to say should he fail in hisduties to perform the Linesman's duties the Central Referee has the powerto relieve him from his position and another Assistant MUST be found beforethe game can be continued, else it is abandoned..

No hard and fast answer to suffice here... if he is abusive at the end of the day he is a player (substitute) and can be carded... if he is incompetent, then he is an assistant and that's a shame...

[Steve#4]

Thanks for the PM...I forgot about this thread and was quite puzzled for a while.

When all is said and done if you don't call the Ref a f&%$en cheat you won't get a card

[Rob Lozza]

I wanna put a spanner in the works with this question. Should a Team not be able to supply a linesman as per requirement, and theyhave no choice but to use their own subs to take on this role - This playerwould not be a player but be acting as the Linesman and until he isrequired as a sub for his team he is NOT a player. He plays no part in thegame except as an impartial official of the game. He should be treated withthe same respect as another other assistant ref, and hence cant be bookedfor any indiscretion. However, that is not to say should he fail in hisduties to perform the Linesman's duties the Central Referee has the powerto relieve him from his position and another Assistant MUST be found beforethe game can be continued, else it is abandoned..

No hard and fast answer to suffice here... if he is abusive at the end of the day he is a player (substitute) and can be carded... if he is incompetent, then he is an assistant and that's a shame...

Wrong. If the player's name is on the team sheet, then he/she is treated as such. The fact this player could be an AR is irrelevant.

[rooboy1986]

I wanna put a spanner in the works with this question. Should a Team not be able to supply a linesman as per requirement, and theyhave no choice but to use their own subs to take on this role - This playerwould not be a player but be acting as the Linesman and until he isrequired as a sub for his team he is NOT a player. He plays no part in thegame except as an impartial official of the game. He should be treated withthe same respect as another other assistant ref, and hence cant be bookedfor any indiscretion. However, that is not to say should he fail in hisduties to perform the Linesman's duties the Central Referee has the powerto relieve him from his position and another Assistant MUST be found beforethe game can be continued, else it is abandoned..

No hard and fast answer to suffice here... if he is abusive at the end of the day he is a player (substitute) and can be carded... if he is incompetent, then he is an assistant and that's a shame...

Wrong. If the player's name is on the team sheet, then he/she is treated as such. The fact this player could be an AR is irrelevant.

I think you have just copied what I said here, so not sure how I am wrong...
Please re-read... "at the end of the day he is a player (substitute) and can be carded"

I was just pointing out that if he is a crap AR then too bad so sad, but i guess like any AR the referee is allowed to relieve him of his duties if he feels the person is not up to the task...