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Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:01 pm
by swannsong
I was just thinking about this the other day....In tennis the ball is out when no part of the ball is in contact with the line.
In football the law says the whole of the ball is over the line....does it have adefinition of what "over the line" is.
I've always understood it to mean that if you draw an imaginary line at right angle to the outer part of the line...the whole of the ball needs to be outside of that imaginary line...
Discuss..
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:24 pm
by Bomber
Yes, that imaginary part of the line as you describe I would say is what matters. I think that when the ball is along the ground, for example, the part of the ball that actually touches the ground needs to be fully over the line, as opposed to the full circumference which may appear only partially (although naturally the greater part) over the line to the naked eye. Does that make sense?
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:27 pm
by First Yellow Card
The whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line. The width of the line has to be the same as the width of the goalposts.
If some portion of the ball is over the line the ball is not out, even if the bit touching the ground it out. The problem we have in South Australia is that the lines aren't always straight.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:08 pm
by A Mature League
First Yellow Card wrote:The whole of the ball has to cross the whole of the line. The width of the line has to be the same as the width of the goalposts.
If some portion of the ball is over the line the ball is not out, even if the bit touching the ground it out. The problem we have in South Australia is that the lines aren't always straight.
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the problem ?
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:33 pm
by First Yellow Card
Okay there are other problems, but with regards to his issue this is probably the problem. That and players/coaches/fans who don't understand the concept of the rule or aren't on the line and don't have as good a view as the linesman.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:31 pm
by Randoman
the best definition is a birds eye view from directly on top. If you can see the whole of the ball on the 'out' side of the line while being able to see the whole of the line, then the ball is out. Otherwise, its in.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:19 pm
by First Yellow Card
Yep, explains it better than I could have.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:52 am
by Astroboy
Or, to speak frankly, realistically, and with tongue in cheek - when the AR flags, it's out; when they don't, it's not.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:19 am
by Red-4-Life
Astroboy wrote:Or, to speak frankly, realistically, and with tongue in cheek - when the AR flags, it's out; when they don't, it's not.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:40 pm
by Bomber
Astroboy wrote:Or, to speak frankly, realistically, and with tongue in cheek - when the AR flags, it's out; when they don't, it's not.
And if one doesnt quite agree with that, the standard "Oi, linesman, that wasnt fucking out" usually follows.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:04 pm
by Red-4-Life
Bomber wrote:Astroboy wrote:Or, to speak frankly, realistically, and with tongue in cheek - when the AR flags, it's out; when they don't, it's not.
And if one doesnt quite agree with that, the standard "Oi, linesman, that wasnt bottle of shiraz out" usually follows.
then the possibility of a yellow card for dissent
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:16 pm
by First Yellow Card
Red-4-Life wrote:then the possibility of a yellow card for dissent
Not if it comes from a spectator.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:42 pm
by Red-4-Life
First Yellow Card wrote:Red-4-Life wrote:then the possibility of a yellow card for dissent
Not if it comes from a spectator.
WESLO WESLO!!
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:18 pm
by First Yellow Card
Top Gun Jimmy's friends.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:18 am
by swannsong
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:31 am
by First Yellow Card
At that particular point in time that ball was in.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:21 pm
by swannsong
First Yellow Card wrote:At that particular point in time that ball was in.
So it seems !
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:19 pm
by First Yellow Card
But confirms my point about the lines not being straight
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:57 pm
by swannsong
First Yellow Card wrote:But confirms my point about the lines not being straight
Not sure that this confirms your point.
Viewed from above the line may be perfectly straight...but from ground level may appear uneven due to the contour of the surface !
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:47 am
by Bomber
swannsong wrote:First Yellow Card wrote:But confirms my point about the lines not being straight
Not sure that this confirms your point.
Viewed from above the line may be perfectly straight...but from ground level may appear uneven due to the contour of the surface !
Can we have some adjudication then please. Someone?
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:46 am
by swannsong
Bomber wrote:swannsong wrote:First Yellow Card wrote:But confirms my point about the lines not being straight
Not sure that this confirms your point.
Viewed from above the line may be perfectly straight...but from ground level may appear uneven due to the contour of the surface !
Can we have some adjudication then please. Someone?
An example of straight lines appearing to be irregular.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:32 am
by Bomber
That picture up the top of that pitch is ludicrous! After all, I cant see the penalty spots marked!
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:47 pm
by First Yellow Card
Initially I thought there was a tree on the pitch but obviously it's just Fellaini's hair.
Re: Whole of the Ball
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:36 pm
by Drusetta
Randoman wrote:the best definition is a birds eye view from directly on top. If you can see the whole of the ball on the 'out' side of the line while being able to see the whole of the line, then the ball is out. Otherwise, its in.
Maybe we need an eye in the sky for these decisions...
