SAASL Womens

[BeNatural]

Where to now for those clubs?

Will there be a competition available to them to go and play now?

[argus tuft]

Probably not. All womens football should come under the umbrella of the FFA (FFSA, SAWSA). I cannot see the point of having a separate competition. It would be a step backwards and will do nothing to progress the women's game.

[BillShankly]

whats happened?

[BeNatural]

My understanding is that Pontians folded leaving only four clubs (5 if you count 2 x Downs).

So the saasl pulled the plug on the comp.

now what?

does the ffsa take them back? yes you would think they should for the game's sake.

but where they fit? i say at the bottom, you left, you have to start all over again, dont let other teams suffer who stuck by the ffsa.

[on the side]

I agree surely FFSA has to take the clubs/teams back, unless they are too bitter that they wanted to start their own comp.

And I see your point about putting them at the bottom but for us teams that are in the bottom div, downs and gardens will kill us and then we will suffer. that wouldn't really be fair either...

big decision to be made by the Carter's........

[BeNatural]

And what sal villa and pontians stood a chance then in the 5 team comp they had if those two teams would have killed them on the field?

Those clubs made a choice to leave the rest of the clubs.

You do not enter by the deadline you start at the bottom.

Maybe a return of the ressies comp is what the prems clubs should be asking.

[marooned]

Downs dont mind starting anywhere so long as our girls get to play. We want or ask of no favours just a league to play in. Parafield in the same boat us us.

[BeNatural]

So why they in the first place when there was a made league already there!

So what now? Come back to ffsa for the year then walk away again!

[greavsie's_daughter]

o why they in the first pla

Sce when there was a made league already there!

So what now? Come back to ffsa for the year then walk away again!

Talk you much?

[BillShankly]

Any players there were apart of the now disbanded SAASL are more then welcome to come play at Western District Toros.

We have spots available in both our Div 1 and Div 3 sides are would be more then happy to hear from any player looking to continue on playing soccer this season.

Please contact Leigh on 0412 591 478 if interested.

[marooned]

12 teams put their hand up for a cheaper to run comp. We put our hand up as did Parafield. Slowly they all disappeared and left us high and dry. We in fact registered with SAWSA earlier this year only to be accused of backing down and when we assured all that we would not join if they stayed on. Only to be let down by the teams that pointed the finger at us. Our girls just want to play soccer. Trust me the SAASL womens comp will not be revisited.

[Deutschland Duchess]

12 teams put their hand up for a cheaper to run comp. We put our hand up as did Parafield. Slowly they all disappeared and left us high and dry. We in fact registered with SAWSA earlier this year only to be accused of backing down and when we assured all that we would not join if they stayed on. Only to be let down by the teams that pointed the finger at us. Our girls just want to play soccer. Trust me the SAASL womens comp will not be revisited.

I cannot agree with you more marooned as a player myself of Parafield Gardens.

i believe we should not be punished as a team as the decision was made by the constitution of our clubs under the amateur banner. We are two of the strongest clubs within SAASL, so we had to show faith and stick by them - but as mentioned above we think the lesson has been learnt within womens football.

At the end of the day we just wanna play football & hopefully SAWSA will come to the party and give us a chance.

[on the side]

Does anybody know if/when a decision will be made by FFSA? They would want to do it rather soon as season has already started.

IMO FFSA should take the clubs back and place them in the divisions they belong. SAWSA were always about 'whats best for the game' and taking these clubs back, letting these girls play, is what is best for the game.

[Dr.D]

There are a few mitigating issues here however, SAWSA/FFSA put a lot of effort into ensuring that the divisions had even numbers of teams to avoid a BYE, i believe some divisions have only 8 teams in them, so the fixtures provide for teams to play each other 3 times to give them a long enough season. What happens if you add another 1 or 2 teams into the mix for these divisions?? The fixtures change completely! You either end up playing until October or lose games in the season (go from 22 games to 18)??

The fixtures book has already gone to print, so clubs will have incorrect information in hard copy and have to rely on printing out an email version and redistruting to players etc at own cost....

Lots of factors to consider, and a lot of re-shuffling and inconvenience to other clubs who are already 4 rounds in....

Hopefully something can be worked out to include all of the SAASL Comp girls teams without causing too much disruption and inconvenience to the comp.

[lefty]

There are a few mitigating issues here however, SAWSA/FFSA put a lot of effort into ensuring that the divisions had even numbers of teams to avoid a BYE, i believe some divisions have only 8 teams in them, so the fixtures provide for teams to play each other 3 times to give them a long enough season. What happens if you add another 1 or 2 teams into the mix for these divisions?? The fixtures change completely! You either end up playing until October or lose games in the season (go from 22 games to 18)??

The fixtures book has already gone to print, so clubs will have incorrect information in hard copy and have to rely on printing out an email version and redistruting to players etc at own cost....

Lots of factors to consider, and a lot of re-shuffling and inconvenience to other clubs who are already 4 rounds in....

Hopefully something can be worked out to include all of the SAASL Comp girls teams without causing too much disruption and inconvenience to the comp.

Shouldnt be too hard as one Downs team can go into Div 1 where they were to make 8 team league and gets rid of the bye. Then the other Downs team and Gardens to Div 3 but that would then make it a 10 team league as it used to be however the draw will need to be redone. With respect to the remaining SAASL team (Salisbury Villa) I dont think they have a team as yet anyway. As we know Tea Tree Gully & Pontian Eagles pulled out 1 wk before league was due to start.

Hopefully the girls get to play as theyve been training for 12 wks now.

[Dr.D]

Just a question, not trying to be funny, but what would you give the incoming teams by way of points etc? The league is already 4 games in, so how does that work? Do they all come in as having played 4 games (even though they haven't) and give them 0 points??

[GULLY BOYZ]

There are a few mitigating issues here however, SAWSA/FFSA put a lot of effort into ensuring that the divisions had even numbers of teams to avoid a BYE, i believe some divisions have only 8 teams in them, so the fixtures provide for teams to play each other 3 times to give them a long enough season. What happens if you add another 1 or 2 teams into the mix for these divisions?? The fixtures change completely! You either end up playing until October or lose games in the season (go from 22 games to 18)??

The fixtures book has already gone to print, so clubs will have incorrect information in hard copy and have to rely on printing out an email version and redistruting to players etc at own cost....

Lots of factors to consider, and a lot of re-shuffling and inconvenience to other clubs who are already 4 rounds in....

Hopefully something can be worked out to include all of the SAASL Comp girls teams without causing too much disruption and inconvenience to the comp.

Shouldnt be too hard as one Downs team can go into Div 1 where they were to make 8 team league and gets rid of the bye. Then the other Downs team and Gardens to Div 3 but that would then make it a 10 team league as it used to be however the draw will need to be redone. With respect to the remaining SAASL team (Salisbury Villa) I dont think they have a team as yet anyway. As we know Tea Tree Gully & Pontian Eagles pulled out 1 wk before league was due to start.

Hopefully the girls get to play as theyve been training for 12 wks now.

Hang on Lefty (not having a go at you mate cause you did by me a beer!) TTGCSC told SAASL 6 or 7 weeks ago there would be no womens team ! Not 1 week before ! We were told to hang in there and keep it under our hat as there might be some players coming from other clubs ! Any way next year we will be better off as a the women who origanily joined up have a committment to our club for next year ( which I think is great ) ! Hopefully a few more might join up when the great new Clubrooms are finished and they come along to our regular Friday band nights !! Keep it mind Girls ???????? Watch this space !!!

[lefty]

Sorry GullyBoyz wasnt havin a go just stating was I was told. Obviously we were left hanging there and noone told us otherwise that it wasnt going to happen especially considering the FFSA comp had already started not even LRO told me you guys pulled out and he knows everything about whats going on in soccer. I was at your ground on Sunday and saw the framework up for your new clubrooms hope it all goes well for you when its finished you can pay me back that beer (by the way one of our lads left some valuables behind in the changerooms the one with the equiptment in it PM me if you hear anything thanks). Womens soccer is obviously growing just hope this politics doesnt continue to get in the way its frustrating & annoying.

Dr D give them 0 or give them minus I dont think they care they just want to play soccer at a social level.

[GULLY BOYZ]

Sorry GullyBoyz wasnt havin a go just stating was I was told. Obviously we were left hanging there and noone told us otherwise that it wasnt going to happen especially considering the FFSA comp had already started not even LRO told me you guys pulled out and he knows everything about whats going on in soccer. I was at your ground on Sunday and saw the framework up for your new clubrooms hope it all goes well for you when its finished you can pay me back that beer (by the way one of our lads left some valuables behind in the changerooms the one with the equiptment in it PM me if you hear anything thanks). Womens soccer is obviously growing just hope this politics doesnt continue to get in the way its frustrating & annoying.

Dr D give them 0 or give them minus I dont think they care they just want to play soccer at a social level.

Thanks Lefty, By the way the frame work you saw is just our new changerooms ??? yes will buy you a beer for sure !!! ( Cant get a beer out of LRO tho) Your lads stuff is all sorted !!

[adelaidepie]

Surely this could be sorted out exactly like the junior teams who play three or four games early to sort out the 'quality of teams' and then redraw the program. In this day and age new programs and schedules could be out within a day.

I can understand the frustration for both sides, teams like the downs and those still in the FFSA. The clubs and players were looking at the good of their teams and so they should because of what was introduced at the end of last season.

Sorry but yet again so little time and information was given for clubs to make 'their' decisions on which league they would want to play in this season.

Put it this way a team could have finished top of div two last season and this year could be playing div three and this could have happened down a could of divisions and through no fault of the clubs. EG Sturt wins div two but because their reserve side has to come in at div two this team would now have to play div three.

Again, with no disrespect the then smaller clubs like Elizabeth Grove in div three would have possibly been playing the champion div two team in their league which doesn't seem fair to either team. Hence why some clubs may have looked for other options for this season.

It is not that hard for the FFSA To rearrange the schedule and get these teams in, after all this is why the restructure was made by the FFSA to encourage more competitive teams wasn't it?

Adelaidepie Julian

[greavsie's_daughter]

adelaidepie, I think you grossly underestimate the logistical nightmare that rearranging the schedule poses for the FFSA- changing fixtures, rearranging grounds allocations...these are no small tasks. It is in the best interest of the game to allow the now homeless teams to play, but lets not lose sight of what an amazing amount of work and negotiation it will require from the FFSA.

[adelaidepie]

greavsie's_daughter, I understand and by no means was saying it was easy, but this same thing happens most seasons with the juniors. They play three or four games and then teams are sorted into divisions, which would affect all clubs. This has been the standard procedure for some time.

The prems division would not be affected, the clubs coming in have already organised their grounds as have all clubs. The division three game times is continually being changed now so no difference there, eg two weeks a go toros div one and three scheduled for same time (1.00 pm) div three changed, this week toros div one and three scheduled for same time (1.00pm) div threee moved to 3.00pm, next week ditto following week ditto again except the div three game will be played at 11.30am. so this is happening now with teams changing times. Also it will get rid of the silly bye for div one if a team is put into this division.

So yes it will be hard and all teams may have to bend a little but not a nightmare otherwise are you saying we can do this for juniors but not seniors and as already said the FFSA are already continually changing times so either they leave the times alone or we can be accommodating to new teams!.

Just my thoughts

Adelaidepie Julian

[Dr.D]

I know this is going to incite a few negative comments, but i have to say what i think.

I think this is a player issue not a club issue. Those clubs decided to join the SAASL, the SAASL for whatever reason has been unable to provide a competiton for these clubs to field their teams into.

Under FFSA rules players can register at any time as long as it is done the Friday before the game they wish to play in, Clubs must affiliate before Feb 28th.

I believe in this instance the players should be allowed to play, by registering with existing 2009 FFSA clubs.

Just my opinion and probably won't be a popular one but i believe it causes the least disruption to the current competitions.

[adelaidepie]

Dr D.

You are right but I suppose the clubs will lose out on this if this took place where if possible if the FFSA want to retain these 'other clubs' then some assistance will be required to help the competition accommodate them.

Adelaidepie Julian

[Dr.D]

There is nothing to stop these clubs affiliating in 2010. It has already been said that the SAASL Women's comp will not be revisited.

I guess the view could be that these clubs decided to leave FFSA, effectively splitting the sport and now they just want to walk back in. I know this is a simplistic version of what has happened, but lets call it what it is.

There is nothing stopping any of these players going and joining an FFSA club. If they don't want to well they are entitled to make that choice, the same way they chose to go to the SAASL competition in the first place.

Sorry having a crappy day so i'm a bit heartless and black and white factual right this minute!

[Deutschland Duchess]

There is nothing to stop these clubs affiliating in 2010. It has already been said that the SAASL Women's comp will not be revisited.

I guess the view could be that these clubs decided to leave FFSA, effectively splitting the sport and now they just want to walk back in. I know this is a simplistic version of what has happened, but lets call it what it is.

There is nothing stopping any of these players going and joining an FFSA club. If they don't want to well they are entitled to make that choice, the same way they chose to go to the SAASL competition in the first place.

Sorry having a crappy day so i'm a bit heartless and black and white factual right this minute!

Dr.D

as a player of Parafield Gardens, i am very dissapointed that this has happened but at the end of the day like i have mentioned in a previous post - we just want to play football.

SAWSA is trying to get the best out of womens football so why should we be judge as players and as a team and not given a fair go

we only did what the constitution of our club said we had to do

[Unretired]

Sorry but I have to agree with Dr D in this case.

Your clubs chose to go out to another comp...

Im sure your clubs consulted with the players before they went in the direction of Amateurs.

As Dr D states players could shift to other clubs for this year if they still wanted to play and then go back to their clubs next year.

[Dr.D]

There is nothing to stop these clubs affiliating in 2010. It has already been said that the SAASL Women's comp will not be revisited.

I guess the view could be that these clubs decided to leave FFSA, effectively splitting the sport and now they just want to walk back in. I know this is a simplistic version of what has happened, but lets call it what it is.

There is nothing stopping any of these players going and joining an FFSA club. If they don't want to well they are entitled to make that choice, the same way they chose to go to the SAASL competition in the first place.

Sorry having a crappy day so i'm a bit heartless and black and white factual right this minute!

Dr.D

as a player of Parafield Gardens, i am very dissapointed that this has happened but at the end of the day like i have mentioned in a previous post - we just want to play football.

SAWSA is trying to get the best out of womens football so why should we be judge as players and as a team and not given a fair go

we only did what the constitution of our club said we had to do

No one is saying you can't - i am simply arguing that you should join an FFSA club to be able to play football. Parafield Gardens chose not to affiliate this year so they don't qualify.

I am a little perplexed as to why a club would have a constitution that would prevent its women's team from continuing to play in a competition (SAWSA/FFSA run) that they have played in since the dawn of time. SAASL have never run a womens comp before to the best of my knowledge so why would you have a clause in your constitution that states you can only play for SAASL or similar???? Very confusing...!!

[Deutschland Duchess]

Sorry but I have to agree with Dr D in this case.

Your clubs chose to go out to another comp...

Im sure your clubs consulted with the players before they went in the direction of Amateurs.

As Dr D states players could shift to other clubs for this year if they still wanted to play and then go back to their clubs next year.

you obviously don't have a concept of loyalty Mrs Trainer - or does this not exist in womens football in SA

[Unretired]

You have different views to me then....

I love to play the game if that means I have to move clubs to play then I would.... I have loyalty to the game not to a club.....

Thats my opinion.......

If you can stand not playing for a year then Im glad you have loyalty to your club......

Thats your opinion

Thats all I have to say.




I have heard tho that FFSA will accept these teams back into the comp anyway...
So looks like you will get to play anyway.