Salisbury Council

[Jay Walking]

Any other clubs that are in the Salisbury Council area, is your lease up for renewal? If so, it is a very interesting proposal they are putting. Cause for great concerns.

[Aldo Serena]

Jay, from your other posts it looks like they are trying to pass on all the costs to the organisation leasing the grounds. What is their reasoning for doing so, and how much extra will it cost you guys?

[htfc]

You need to get your face in the paper Jay. Give the Messenger a ring and politicise it. Councillors etc hate bad publicity.

[Jay Walking]

You need to get your face in the paper Jay. Give the Messenger a ring and politicise it. Councillors etc hate bad publicity.

I have a face for radio more so than papers.

I just had a lawyer look over it. It seems as though it is simply just a standard commercial lease. Need to go back and negotiate before taking it to the media I think.

One crazy thing that they want us to do is to fill in a survey form before each time we use the ground.

We also have to take on more risk and more insurance. Also there is no right of rewnal after the lease expires which is a big concern given that we have a $50K grant to update the clubrooms and in 5 years, we might not even get the chance to renegoitate.

[Missing Post Count]

One crazy thing that they want us to do is to fill in a survey form before each time we use the ground.

Actually I don't think this is all that crazy. It's no different to doing a damage report before hiring a car.
I do think it's odd that you can get a $50K grant to upgrade the changerooms and then not have a chance to renegotiate after.

[swannsong]

You need to get your face in the paper Jay. Give the Messenger a ring and politicise it. Councillors etc hate bad publicity.

Everyone hates bad publicity, except newspapers.
Organise petitions etc then contact the Messenger.
Councils biggest concern is keeping rates down, cost shifting is common at all levels of Govt.
The State Govt. wants Councils to provide vaccinations, bus shelter....etc so Councils look around to reduce costs.

[De Voyeur]

You need to get your face in the paper Jay. Give the Messenger a ring and politicise it. Councillors etc hate bad publicity.

I have a face for radio more so than papers.

I just had a lawyer look over it. It seems as though it is simply just a standard commercial lease. Need to go back and negotiate before taking it to the media I think.

One crazy thing that they want us to do is to fill in a survey form before each time we use the ground.

We also have to take on more risk and more insurance. Also there is no right of rewnal after the lease expires which is a big concern given that we have a $50K grant to update the clubrooms and in 5 years, we might not even get the chance to renegoitate.

Do you want me to speak to the messenger Jay?

[nugget66]

This is the first I've heard of this Jay certainly a concern if true where did you hear it ???

[Jay Walking]

This is the first I've heard of this Jay certainly a concern if true where did you hear it ???

I read it on the lease agreement proposal they send out to us.

[The Boss]

I don't have a problem with the pitch inspection and it should be done as a matter of course anyway, especially for juniors.

I think it is a good reporting tool for both parties. The council will know within 24 hours if you have any issues with your ground and it would have to be addressed. After all, we are at the grounds nearly every day during the season and the council is not.

In these times of litigation and focus on OH&S it is critical that everyone covers their butt (in writing) and reacts quickly to any concerns.

With regards to the insurance, I think you will find that most councils now ask for $20 mil PL and glass cover.

I think you are stressing about nothing, it is all good.

I must say, I didn't see the bit about renewal after the 5 year period. That probably does concern me as you should have first option as an existing lease holder.

[Rexie]

I don't have a problem with the pitch inspection and it should be done as a matter of course anyway, especially for juniors.

I think it is a good reporting tool for both parties. The council will know within 24 hours if you have any issues with your ground and it would have to be addressed. After all, we are at the grounds nearly every day during the season and the council is not.

In these times of litigation and focus on OH&S it is critical that everyone covers their butt (in writing) and reacts quickly to any concerns.

With regards to the insurance, I think you will find that most councils now ask for $20 mil PL and glass cover.

I think you are stressing about nothing, it is all good.

I must say, I didn't see the bit about renewal after the 5 year period. That probably does concern me as you should have first option as an existing lease holder.

What good is doing a pitch inspection anyways, when the councils generally do nothing to rectify the situation if there is a problem. We are fianlly getting ours looked at now, but that has been after 3 years of dealing with Playford council about the issue. What would a pitch report before every use gain in this situation?

[on the side]

it will gain nothing, it is just so the council aren't liable for anything.

I think all of the clubs in the Salisbury area should meet with the council to discuss the agreement and the council should clearly outline to us the changes.

[Rexie]

it will gain nothing, it is just so the council aren't liable for anything.

I think all of the clubs in the Salisbury area should meet with the council to discuss the agreement and the council should clearly outline to us the changes.

So if by doing a survey on the ground before you play, bipasses the public liability of the pitch from the council, doen that mean more games will be called off due to poor pitch conditions. After all, most clubs have to pay a hire fee for the times they use it. As the LANDLORD, the council shoul densure that all playing surfaces are up to scratch, otherwise the clubs should refuse to pay rent. Thats kida what we did, and it getting us some where finally.
I think filling in a pitch survey is rubbish. The council are the first ones to get uppty when there is grafiti on the club rooms. Yet when the pitches are in a state near to umplayable, safety wise, they dont seem to be too bothered. Im sepaking of the playford council mainly, but I think Farmers ahve has similar problems with their pitch, conditions, inparticular, hoon drivers getting on it.

[swannsong]

One of the big problems facing most Councils is increased useage and decreased water supplies, you can see it everywhere.
Salisbury Council is eventually trying to link all its reserves to recycled stormwater, hopefully that will help.

[The Boss]

One of the big problems facing most Councils is increased useage and decreased water supplies, you can see it everywhere.
Salisbury Council is eventually trying to link all its reserves to recycled stormwater, hopefully that will help.

Absoulutely correct Swannsong.

The clubs also have to take some responsibility for ground management. People have to realise that we have been in a drought for the last two seasons and you can't flog the pitches and expect them to look like bowling greens.

Salisbury council invited ALL sporting clubs to a meeting last year about managing sporting grounds in a drought envirionment. I didn't see too many soccer club representatives there and this is now obvious when people don't know what this is all about.

We managed our pitch extremely well last season in conjunction with the council and probably had the best playing surface in the council area.

The Salisbury council, with their water management scheme is recognised as a world leader in this area and people are complaining that they have to tick a couple of boxes on a sheet once a week.

Just because you pay money to the council to be able to use a public park, this doesn't entitle you to a pristine playing surface if you choose to have hundreds of players churning it up 7 days a week.

I would like to see some of your lawns at home - and I bet you don't train on them every night.

[REDS]

good points boss - this is going to be a big issue more and more as times go on. which is a concern

[Shaken not Stirred 2]

One of the big problems facing most Councils is increased useage and decreased water supplies, you can see it everywhere.
Salisbury Council is eventually trying to link all its reserves to recycled stormwater, hopefully that will help.

Absoulutely correct Swannsong.

The clubs also have to take some responsibility for ground management. People have to realise that we have been in a drought for the last two seasons and you can't flog the pitches and expect them to look like bowling greens.

Salisbury council invited ALL sporting clubs to a meeting last year about managing sporting grounds in a drought envirionment. I didn't see too many soccer club representatives there and this is now obvious when people don't know what this is all about.

We managed our pitch extremely well last season in conjunction with the council and probably had the best playing surface in the council area.

The Salisbury council, with their water management scheme is recognised as a world leader in this area and people are complaining that they have to tick a couple of boxes on a sheet once a week.

Just because you pay money to the council to be able to use a public park, this doesn't entitle you to a pristine playing surface if you choose to have hundreds of players churning it up 7 days a week.

I would like to see some of your lawns at home - and I bet you don't train on them every night.

I attended the water crisis meeting last year and thought is was a bit of a joke. Nothing we didn't really already know. What really got me was that the Council openly admits they store more then enough gray water from Mawson Lakes to water all the sporting fields in the council area but they are choosing not too water to stay aligned with the State Government water restriction policy. The council can water the parks whenever they like providing it does not come directly from the fresh water supply. If the water is sitting there and is for this purpose, then why are they not watering any more to preserve there grounds?

On the Salisbury Council pitch evaluation requirement, I read the Farms Lease agreement last night and there is nothing out of the ordinary on it. It is a standard Commercial Lease agreement. The council has requested that we fill out a pitch evaluation form before every usage of the pitch, this includes training. What really amuses me is that the lease also states they will inspect the club once a week, so if they can do that, why don't they go down and look at the pitch. A bit of a contradiction I say.

The council have passed a lot of the expected council maintenance costs onto the clubs, this include graffiti removal etc.

The bottum line is, we don't sign it, we can't play on it. So I guess we all have to comply or find another council and ground to play in.

[Robbie Williams]

Well the berries better do something about their ground ,it was absolutely disgracful last
season.

[Rexie]

I agree with you in regard to the lack of water avalible. Im just speaking from our experience, where our main pitch has been trashed over the past 3 years. It usually get top soiled at the start of the season. Not the end. And then no water get put into it.
As I said, I think that ticking a few boxes passes the buck on the councils liability. How are the clubs meant to water the pitches more, without the help of the council. And yes, lots of reserves are getting the recyled, or even deep bore water. As I think we do at argana. But at this stage, its not fully hooked up, or they just dont turn it on.
This yeah, a year in which our playing surface was the worst and we actually had plenty of injuries due to the surface, we said to the council it was not up to even playing standard, so why are we paying them. If you were renting a house and the air con didnt work, would you still pay your rent. The way I see it it should be the duty of the counil to ensure the palying surface is ok to play on. I do agree that some clubs over use the pitch. But with most having at least 3 games on it each week, plus training, it is going to get trashed. we are lucky, we have 2 other full sizzed pitches. Not all clubs are in the same boat.
Another gripe of mine is that when you see no water going into pitches, but you see the council watering fields that do not get ued for any sport, or even watering a building. The footy club at argana get watered frequently. haha.

Good discussion though. Enjoying this one.

[Jay Walking]

Well the berries better do something about their ground ,it was absolutely disgracful last
season.

Amateurs dont play on Salisbury's ground

Still to annoying people in the Feds forum Robbie

[The Boss]

Well the berries better do something about their ground ,it was absolutely disgracful last
season.

Green as at the moment.

I believe more work happening in the off season.

[Rodney]

Well the berries better do something about their ground ,it was absolutely disgracful last
season.

Green as at the moment.

I believe more work happening in the off season.

Don't tell me Boss you are now with a FED club after bagging them for so long! Interesting....................??????????

[The Boss]

Well the berries better do something about their ground ,it was absolutely disgracful last
season.

Green as at the moment.

I believe more work happening in the off season.

Don't tell me Boss you are now with a FED club after bagging them for so long! Interesting....................??????????

A foot in both camps.

What better way to get a perspective of both?

If my sons want to progress in the "PATHWAY", they have no choice.

Anyway, I have never bagged any Fed clubs, just the FFSA.

And I will continue to do so.

[REDS]

So your son plays in a team that plays in an association that you will continually bag - that must be interesting for you

Could this be a classed as a conflict of interest

[Jay Walking]

Ok, back track time

Spoken with council and much of what they have written in the lease is simply to cover themselves. Most of which has already been in there but just worded differently. Some of the items they said no to worry about because they will still cover this anyway, they are simply covering themselves in case.

It does worry me that we have an agreement with someone that says we have to do something when we dont have to. Still Salisbury council have looked after us very well over the years so there is some trust there.

[ExtraTime]

i see there is a tender request for parafield gardens oval for an irrigation upgrade

[The Boss]

So your son plays in a team that plays in an association that you will continually bag - that must be interesting for you

Could this be a classed as a conflict of interest

How can it be a conflict?

I know many coaches, parents etc, that are involved at various levels in the two associations.

Doesn't mean you have to agree with all the policies of the association you are a part of. Heaven knows, there is a lot of things I don't agree with at E&D too.

[lefty]

i see there is a tender request for parafield gardens oval for an irrigation upgrade

As if we dont have the best ground already with new irrigation it will rival Hindmarsh.

God bless the cricketers for giving up the oval for 3 weekends CHEERS

[swannsong]

One of the big sticking points in Salisbury Councils recycled water stored in aquifers is that SA Water will not allow them to put that recycled water back into the existing grids.
So the council has to lay fresh piping to get the water to where it is needed.
Should also note that even though Salisbury has the water they still can't use it outside the current guidelines.
I would bet that very few of the Council owned buildings even have water tanks to collect rain whenever it falls and save it for a not so rainy day.
I asked at a council meeting recently how much my council had saved in watering costs in the last 12 months during the restrictions....it amounted to ~$300,000.

[web]

At Brahma the council have laid all new irragation with the pump going in if its not already in.
they also cored and covered the park last week i think.

bring it on