FFSA league

[To Mati]

cards on the table.... whos crossing over??

[kramerica]

I don't think FFSA have handled it well. I wouldn't think, many clubs are confident with the switch at the moment. Especially with the supposed $$$ that SAASL are saying there gonna dish out. Have they been reading some of the threads on this site.

[nugget66]

The whole thing with the FFSA & SAASL is a joke, really how hard is it! I hope they work there sH*t out for the betterment of the game in SOUTH AUSTRALIA.

[Knight7]

I think unless forced to do so, teams would be crazy to "cross over". The FFSA have a very poor history of Financial Management whilst they might be getting their act together they still have a long way to go to match the SAASL

They should have made the "Super Duper" league the only "Professional League" and made the other two leagues "Amateur" instead of trying to make even more crappy leagues

[History]

All clubs and players will be protected and treated properly, unlike the SAASL that turn a blind eye to everything!

At least the clubs within the FFSA will be recognized and treated fairly!

The FFSA have more referees and will provide OFFICIAL referees for both reserves games and 1st team games!

how can anyone say that clubs will be worse off under the FFSA umbrella, at least they're recognized by FIFA

lets just wait to see what the FFSA come out with when they release the Metro League, im sure it will be impressive.

it cant be any worse than the SAASL

[nugget66]

All clubs and players will be protected and treated properly, unlike the SAASL that turn a blind eye to everything!

At least the clubs within the FFSA will be recognized and treated fairly!

The FFSA have more referees and will provide OFFICIAL referees for both reserves games and 1st team games!

how can anyone say that clubs will be worse off under the FFSA umbrella, at least they're recognized by FIFA

lets just wait to see what the FFSA come out with when they release the Metro League, im sure it will be impressive.

it cant be any worse than the SAASL

Hey stupid a cool million in the bank with the majority of player numbers in S.A. they must be doing somethink right!

Im not saying that the SAASL cant improve, but they have done well for 44yrs & why shouldn't they keep control of our League & come under the FFSA umberella???

Why do the FFSA want control rather than allowing us as we are?

Why................................... only 1 reason $$$$

[Monkey Boy]

To be honest im not sure that this league is such a bad idea. I believe that my club, SPOC, will remain with the SAASL. But this can only be a good thing for us as SAASL clubs, because the clubs now have an alternate league to move to if the league dont look after their clubs. If they choose to continue to give nothing back to the clubs, and sit on their little million dollar gold mine, then clubs can leave.
(I believe this happened... let me know if it didnt) An example of this is the league offering prize money for the top 4 finishing clubs in Div 1 Sat & Sunday. I m not sure if this has happened in the past?
So i think that if this new league gets up and running, let clubs leave the AL and surely they will look after those that remain.
Does anyone know about fees etc? I bet they will be a lot higher as well....

[History]

All clubs and players will be protected and treated properly, unlike the SAASL that turn a blind eye to everything!

At least the clubs within the FFSA will be recognized and treated fairly!

The FFSA have more referees and will provide OFFICIAL referees for both reserves games and 1st team games!

how can anyone say that clubs will be worse off under the FFSA umbrella, at least they're recognized by FIFA

lets just wait to see what the FFSA come out with when they release the Metro League, im sure it will be impressive.

it cant be any worse than the SAASL

Hey stupid a cool million in the bank with the majority of player numbers in S.A. they must be doing somethink right!

Im not saying that the SAASL cant improve, but they have done well for 44yrs & why shouldn't they keep control of our League & come under the FFSA umberella???

Why do the FFSA want control rather than allowing us as we are?

Why................................... only 1 reason $$$$

cool million in the bank because of wan_kers like you and majority of numbers because until now there was no other option and regarding the SAASL... doing something right

you've got no idea mate, i'll give you one example, next time your playing (and i dont mean with your dlck) try not to sustain a serious injury coz the SAASL wont have the appropriate insurance to sort you out, sure they got insurance but do your homework and make some calls, then you'll find out how professional they really are!

FFSA = "FAIR PLAY FAIR CONDUCT"

SAASL= "KICK BACKS & BANK ACCOUNT $$$$$$"

[Fork Sake]

next time your playing try not to sustain a serious injury coz the SAASL wont have the appropriate insurance to sort you out, sure they got insurance but do your homework and make some calls, then you'll find out how professional they really are!

Well said & oh so true!

As for the cool million in the bank... useless if the saasl is not putting it back into the league! (eg. official refs at all games for starters). They use it to feather their own nest.

Ask the state amateur squad who went to Tasmania, they will tell you that almost every saasl board member had family there with them! (cheap holiday perhaps?)

Would somebody like to prove me wrong.....

[Knight7]

I agree that competition is a good thing, I doubt that either league has great insurance and the FFSA League would cost far more. Correct me if I'm wrong the 3 League structure has been a disaster with most clubs charging their juniors a small fortune to survive and guys that were playing Division 3 Amateurs now playing in the "professional leagues" and thinking they might one day play for Man Utd?

As I said before if the FFSA had any idea they would have gone for 1 "Professional League" this would have created a better quality and better supported league and they would also have their Amateur competition - sorted

[Wraith]

Valid points there Guus_H

[Aldo Serena]

The pros and cons of both leagues were debated ad nauseam a few weeks back on this forum. Since then nothing new has been released from either the FFSA or SAASL and Our club will not make any decisions until we see further details from both bodies.

[History]

next time your playing try not to sustain a serious injury coz the SAASL wont have the appropriate insurance to sort you out, sure they got insurance but do your homework and make some calls, then you'll find out how professional they really are!

Well said & oh so true!

As for the cool million in the bank... useless if the saasl is not putting it back into the league! (eg. official refs at all games for starters). They use it to feather their own nest.

Ask the state amateur squad who went to Tasmania, they will tell you that almost every saasl board member had family there with them! (cheap holiday perhaps?)

Would somebody like to prove me wrong.....

thank you for that info Fork (well done), thats exactly what the SAASL is all about $$$$$$$$$$$

SUPRISE, SUPRISE, all of a sudden they've come up with this so called prize money package ETC next year, bit late now SAASL, the damage is done!

they have some big decisions to make over the next week or so, decisions that were meant to have been made weeks ago!

mark my words once the FFSA get the Metro League up and running you can kiss the SAASL goodbye, clubs wont hang around to be treated un-fairly.

The SAASL need to get their shlt together FAST and start protecting and or helping the honest clubs within their league, otherwise the only clubs that will be left in their little league will be those that run around with guns and those that always want to brawl/harrass other clubs and or officials... ohhh and the cheaters!

[History]

I agree that competition is a good thing, I doubt that either league has great insurance and the FFSA League would cost far more. Correct me if I'm wrong the 3 League structure has been a disaster with most clubs charging their juniors a small fortune to survive and guys that were playing Division 3 Amateurs now playing in the "professional leagues" and thinking they might one day play for Man Utd?

As I said before if the FFSA had any idea they would have gone for 1 "Professional League" this would have created a better quality and better supported league and they would also have their Amateur competition - sorted

fair point Knight7... i know for a fact that the FFSA has an excellent insurance set up (EXCELLENT) i've been told that their fees will also be cheaper and more affordable for clubs, especially for those clubs that find a little harder. I'm not 100% sure what the exact rates etc will be, but what i do know is that all clubs in the FFSA or joining the FFSA will be better off. I guess we'll all know soon enough.

[nugget66]

Guus H have you any real understanding of the facts? With the dribble your talking I think not! I have been involved in the amateur league for a number of years 6 yrs as chairman of a 1st Div. Club, my club is has been associated with the league for 42 yrs. This is our League & Association. All clubs voted a couple of years ago to remain with the insurance scheme we have because the alternitive was cost prohibitive to clubs! Player insurance should be up to the individal player if there not happy with the leagues insurance, at the end of the day someone has to pay why should it be the clubs! Clubs also voted on wether to join the FFSA or not the majority said no we want mo talks with the FFSA because the FFSA wanted to get a player levy that would also increase the financial strain on amateur league clubs & intern players. That being said the prize money that the league now has is because they went out & got sponorship through Bianco & Bendigo bank nothing to do with our money in the bank. Our league is a strong one with Div.1 clubs both sat.& sun fighting it out to the last day! The league is also starting to invest money into the referees $60000 this year to improve numbers & quality. They have also introduced a club & player code of conduct. This is our League & it has been running for over 42 yrs it is strong & has HISTORY & has been run by volenteers in that time! yes some things need to improve & I believe they are! You just sit there on your fat arse & complain & dream about the promised.
You are just a FFSA muppet trying to create disharmony in OUR ASSOCIATION. F*ck off back to your own forum & try help fix there problems

[nugget66]

That is all muppet!

[mahluf]

well said. great post.

[Rob Lozza]

The FFSA have more referees and will provide OFFICIAL referees for both reserves games and 1st team games!

Are you sure about this, Guus_H? According to statements that were made at a joint referees forum at the start of the season - participants including refs from the FFSA, SAASL, E&D etc as well as FFSA CEO Michael Carter and FIFA Ref Mark Shield - each weekend there is a shortage of about 100 officials to service ALL competition games.

[gunner_59]

Lozza is right... all referee associations are understaffed. To address the gaps in ALL the referee bodies, the Amatuer referees body has been trying for months and months to negotiate with the FFSA refs to stay as separate bodies but have dual registration of members. The plan proposed by the Amateur referees was to have a central database and allow referees from any registered association be appointed to any of the Leagues to plug the shortage gaps. The FFSA refs body is just as pig headed and power hungry as the FFSA management. There are FFSA refs desperately pissing in to the ears of prospective amateur club referees and pressuring current Amateur referees to switch over to them... they simply do not have enough referees and if they do start their own amateur competition, they currently do not have the numbers. Grassroots soccer is being jeopardized by petty politics emanating out of the FFSA.

[gunner_59]

Oh .... I forgot to say that it's not just about the politics with the FFSA - it's about the money.
And SA is not alone.... Craig Foster puts it so well in his recent article... http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blogs/cr ... me-138801/

And today, Les Murray posted an interesting point about Futsal and how the State federations just suck the money out of it for their own purposes..
As he stated.."In 2004 Futsal NSW, then an independent body running its own race, elected to come under the governance of Football NSW in the hope that the sport would gain greater legitimacy and receive some serious benefits. There have been no benefits. Futsal players are slugged $100 per year each in registration fees, all going into the fat coffers of FNSW, but get nothing in return. This on top of the $200 or $300 they already pay if they play outdoors. FNSW has no strategy, no program that might embed futsal as a serious resource in player development. They just collect the money."

[nugget66]

Oh .... I forgot to say that it's not just about the politics with the FFSA - it's about the money.
And SA is not alone.... Craig Foster puts it so well in his recent article... http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blogs/cr ... me-138801/

And today, Les Murray posted an interesting point about Futsal and how the State federations just suck the money out of it for their own purposes..
As he stated.."In 2004 Futsal NSW, then an independent body running its own race, elected to come under the governance of Football NSW in the hope that the sport would gain greater legitimacy and receive some serious benefits. There have been no benefits. Futsal players are slugged $100 per year each in registration fees, all going into the fat coffers of FNSW, but get nothing in return. This on top of the $200 or $300 they already pay if they play outdoors. FNSW has no strategy, no program that might embed futsal as a serious resource in player development. They just collect the money."

Gunner_59 fantasic artical & everyone who posted on this subject should read especially Guus H!

Football in this state heading the same way you just have to look what FFSA clubs charge there juniors to play!

SAASL & EDJSA stick to your guns & keep providing affordable football to all !!!

[Shaken Not Stirred]

Oh .... I forgot to say that it's not just about the politics with the FFSA - it's about the money.
And SA is not alone.... Craig Foster puts it so well in his recent article... http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blogs/cr ... me-138801/

And today, Les Murray posted an interesting point about Futsal and how the State federations just suck the money out of it for their own purposes..
As he stated.."In 2004 Futsal NSW, then an independent body running its own race, elected to come under the governance of Football NSW in the hope that the sport would gain greater legitimacy and receive some serious benefits. There have been no benefits. Futsal players are slugged $100 per year each in registration fees, all going into the fat coffers of FNSW, but get nothing in return. This on top of the $200 or $300 they already pay if they play outdoors. FNSW has no strategy, no program that might embed futsal as a serious resource in player development. They just collect the money."

We have spoken the senior officials in the FFSA and SAASL in length in relation to this and FFSA would not go into detail about this. They have huge holes in there proposal and would seem only doing it because the FFA is pushing them too. We discussed players registration fees and in particular the fact that amateur football is technically for guys who are not interesting in playing at a high level in the game anymore and are really looking at having a kick around for fun or with mates, so why should they be slugged the additional registration fee for the future development of junior players, more importantly if the club they are playing for does not support any junior setup. You can guess there response... NFI.

It was clear to us that the FFSA are badly managed, broke and are chasing extra revenue through the SAASL and EDJSA.

We looked at how amateur leagues in other states we handling the amalgamation and it tended towards not being a good relationship. From our understanding Futsal NSW and the NSW Amateur Soccer League are looking to split from there State federation.

[marooned]

Dont know about other clubs but after this weekend i would suspect with three different end of season trips happening, one to the Riverland, one to Melbourne and a group going to the Narooma Bluesfest that a few of the lads might be crossing over. Either crossing over the line or X dressing. Wishing all a good time and remember your a club representative while you wear the club shirt. All get home safely.

None will be crossing to any other league as we currently are in a comp that isnt won by the same club every year. Nor is our cup comp won by the same club each year.

SAASL is a strong competition with many great clubs. Dont change what aint broke.

[Fork Sake]

I heard that if a club has Fed juniors that the club MUST have a senior team in FFSA??

If this is true then a few clubs may have to jump ship.

TBH I don't really care who the assoc. is run by. But it shits me when people say how saasl/ffsa is better than the other when in reality they both have pros/cons.

Each to their own

At the end of the day, as long as week in & out I can play a game with official refs (1 at least!) & registered players (looking at you Black Eagles) I'm happy.

[robinfriday10]

ffsa referee number increased substantially in 2008.all state league u/19 games had official assistants this year which in previous years wasnt the case. still a little short for jpl on sundays but numbers are better than most think.

[nugget66]

[Quote; Guus_H (rumour that will affect saturday Div.3 to the core) ]

whatever happened to...

FAIR PLAY - FAIR CONDUCT ???

the SAASL need to get their cabernet together because they will loose control!

1. They need to sit down and put a system in place e.g. strict guide lines for clubs when they register a player. A strict screening proccess needs to be introduced to all clubs e.g. every club must request some form of proof and or Identification from every player before registering.

2. They need inspectors that actually enforce their codes of conduct/rules and regulations and these inspectors must spend the time out there (Sat & Sun) enforcing those rules and codes of conduct and conducting spot checks on clubs in the league.

if the SAASL dont flex their muscle (soon) and or spend a bit of their 1.5 million, not only will they loose control but also clubs!

The only clubs that you'll find in this league will be the likes of those running around with guns and meat heads wanting to brawl during games. We all know of 2 clubs that fit the above and have made headlines of recent

Good Luck SAASL... your going to need it




Guus H, you are an absolute &&^&*(*& how many inspectors would you like out there?

We do have a FAIR PLAY - FAIR CONDUCT policy in this post?

This is another of your FFSA negative posts designed to create disharmony within our league.

Seriously Guus H understand the facts before you posting $^%^&

[Southampton #7]

ffsa referee number increased substantially in 2008.all state league u/19 games had official assistants this year which in previous years wasnt the case. still a little short for jpl on sundays but numbers are better than most think.

E&D UNDER 9 AND UP MUST HAVE OFFICAL REFEREE NO REF NO GAME.

[robinfriday10]

few more jpl games and all on sunday , not split over 2 days. better to have a game i would of thought

[History]

Nugget,

how many times do you have to be told to stop playing with your Dlck ?

you stick to your cheating corrupt league, the FFSA dont need loosers like yourself

maybe you should speak to the clubs that have been relegated because of the the corrupt SAASL

maybe you should make contact with the clubs that have lost titles because of the corrupt SAASL

but then again your probably one of Baileys friends

and i aint involved and or part of the FFSA

[History]

oh and one more thing...

there are NO inspectors and when there are reps around, they do nothing!

dont you read the posts, only recently a Sat div 3 club played a suspended player and reps of the SAASL were at the game and were made aware of this... AND DID NOTHING!

clubs playing un-registered players and complaints fwd to the SAASL... AND DO NOTHING!

you call this fair, you call this a professional organization

so dont sit here and tell us that the SAASL is a successful well run organization

keep feeding them