Moderators lock Metro topic

[Studs Up]

Why have the moderators locked this topic? This is a forum so why can't people post a reply to what supporters of Metro have written?
Anyway,I do want to reply to the Metro supporter going under the name "Interesting". He/she claims that Metro did not stack their reserve team against Olympic as they have one senior squad out there and that players get promoted and demoted because of form/injuries and unavailability.WHAT RUBBISH!!!
It is not just Metro that trains its senior players together and has girls being promoted an demoted because of form/injuries and unavailability.It is not just Metro girls that play for the shirt or the club.However,what happened last Sunday was a deliberate and blatant decision to strengthen the reserve team with a number of players who normally play in the Prems side.Would these girls have played if Metro Prems were also fighting it out for the title on the day? I think we all know the answer. All clubs have girls who may have played Prems as a reward for good form and have girls moving between the Reserves and Prems. However,this was NOT what happened last Sunday. This was an unsporting act and one that denigrated the value of the girls that would normally have played. I am angry about it but at the same time feeling sorry for those Metro girls. I mean they were good enough to get to that position even though the Olympic girls had gone through the season undefeated. Those same Metro girls had drawn with Olympic earlier in the season. It would have been fitting that these two teams had played what was essentially a Grand Final with the girls that had got them there throughout the season.As for your assertion that Olympic also fielded regular Prems players,I say that that is rubbish. I think that this was asserted because Olympic's regular reserve team keeper Zaf actually covered for the Prems earlier in the year. However she played at least 14 games in the reserves. What a hollow victory Metro!

[Coco]

well said Studs up! i fail to understand why the topic was blocked, when clearly the point of a forum is to openly discuss issues that arise in womens soccer.

As for what occurred on Sunday, whilst it was disappointing for both clubs to be denied a Final's feel to the game, it must be even more disappointing for the metro players who worked hard all season, only to be deemed not good enough on the day.

Interesting... you commented on how players were good enough to be promoted to prems on sunday.... i can only hope that these same players are good enough to play prem's in the cup final! (Luksa good luck mate on sunday, if you play!)

And since facts are clearly important in this forum, the original team sheet (beginning of the season) consisted of a 15 player squad. Ironically, sundays game consisted of 10 new names on that sheet, with 1 key prem player from metro being rubbed out at the last minute (so potentially it could have been 11).

As for Sundays cup final game, Courts if you want a cheer squad to help support Sturt, just say the word!

[beaches]

Back off guys and gals let SAWSA sort out what needs to be sorted. No matter what is said on this forum rightly or wrongly, I am sure there will be an inquiry and if the laws need looking into it will be done. Yes everyone loves their own clubs but let the game be the winner, and I am sure SAWSA will act to rectify discrepancies. By SAWSA I mean Delegates from clubs.

[Interesting...]

I cannot believe you are styill ranting... especially when you have nothing to do with any of it. Why for starters is it any of yur business? None of you know people's feelings, thoughts or emotions so leave your assumptions as the door when you place your so-called "facts" on the forum.


Once again... below you will find 'actual'/'factual' data...

1) EVERY player who took the field before Sunday had played at least two Reserves games during the year, bar one.

2) Also, 4-5 players drop down from the "Prem" squad EVERY WEEK to play "Reserves"..

3) Last Sunday was no different... 4 players came down... and, who plays at 1pm every week is no one's business but the Metro coaching staff. There is little use in referring to the match card from the early season encounter as the "Prem" side has changed consistently since and backed up by the fact that 26 of a possible 31 players from the senior squad have played "Prems" this year...

4) the players you claim to have 'missed out', were actually the players who are part of Enzo's 3pm squad who played for the "Prems", bar one.

5) If a Metro player was disappointed in not playing in a certain game, then that is an internal matter, but we are touched by your concern. No SAWSA rules were broken and neither were the internal rules set out by the coaches and made very clear to all players at the beginning of the season. I wonder how many other clubs have 'stacked' according to YOUR definition over the years.

6) When the Cup final side comes out this Sunday, only 4 players out of 16 players would have played in the Reserves game last Sunday. 4 out of 16, yet we are told that 10-11 Prem players were dropped last Sunday... i'm not sure where you're getting your "truthful facts" from but perhaps you should find yourself a new hobby?

7) and finally, call the victory hollow if you will but at the end of the day it is exactly that... a victory. Something you obviously didn't get in the "reserves" league. And a well earned victory at that... only one loss all year shows this!

[gubs]

In response to the comment u made "#Unknown" on the previous topic which was locked...

I made the 3.5th comment as "Interesting" said that they considered Metro one team so they should combine their results together. At Fulham we have a Premier League team and a Reserves team. They are separate teams with different coaches and different personnel. We all play for the one club and all get along dandy but I wouldnt call us one team so therefore our results cannot be combined

[Unretired]

Your so right, Gubs

I tried all year to impress Max to try and get a game up in Prems but i was never good enough

Maybe next year lol


Oh yeah I forgot I retired....

[gubs]

hahaha nah i didnt mean it like that

[John Cena]

i didnt lock the topic maybe a pm was sent to one of the other moderators thats why it was locked

[Eustace bugles]

metro are ressies league winners. woo.
oh and 2 of there teams are in the cup.
they sound like a good club to me.

[Studs Up]

Ok "Interesting" answer the following question honestly and without the "smoke and dagger" type of replies that you have given us.

If your Premier League team was also challenging for the title last Sunday,how many of the the girls that played in your Reserves last Sunday would be in the team? We all know that Metro have plenty of experienced girls in both your Prems and Reserves so I am taking this into account.
Don't tell me that the same girls would have played in the Reserves because we all know the truth about what happened last week. Your previous replies are just a manipulation of the facts to suit your one-eyed views.
Yes I support Olympic and I am disappointed but I would object to any team stacking their reserve team to win a title. I would have objected to it if Olympic decided to drop, for example, 6-7 Prems players down to the Reserves for that particular game. To their credit, Olympic did not do this despite the fact that their Premier League team had already clinched fourth place and had nothing to lose.

[Interesting...]

Smoke and dagger... well, if we're sticking with analogies... it takes one to know one!

I understand your constant need to find gratitude but in answer to your question… with hope to shut this topic up once and for all... I can safely say that Metro would have had to (in your words) "drop" players into the 1pm team because, as I have mentioned - the team doesn't physically have 11 purely reserve players.

Would they have been the same four... remember there were only four players – not the 11 accused... maybe, maybe not. But that is for the coaching staff to determine. As previously mentioned only one of those four players hadn't played a minimum of two reserve games. Example, Lep has had to fill in several games due to injury and availability so there's a question mark there... the other two... mostly likely. The two in question, in your words had actually been "dropped" to the 1pm side due to lack of form throughout the season a few times.

And one more time... have a look at the cup final side on Sunday (althoug the team will be chosen indefinitely on Friday)... and see how many are playing for that side that played for the reserves league last week!!!

At the end of the day, and whilst we’re soul searching - object to the "stack" all you want... ask yourself truthfully - if you had an extremely talented squad of 31 (and I’m not saying you don't by this phrase, because we know the success throughout Olympic) but where would you place your players?

[Studs Up]

My last reply on this distateful matter. It is "interesting" that despite what you said about how you guys manage your players you still refer to players dropping down from the "Prems" side every week. So Metro does have a Prems side and a Reserves side as another writer on this forum put to you.Interesting.
Even if Metro just dropped the FOUR players as you put it,it is still a deliberate attempt to strengthen the reserves for a title-deciding game. Definitely unsporting and morally wrong.
As for your question it has already been answered in my previous post. I have stated already that Olympic resisted the temptation (one that Metro couldn't!) and played the girls that had got them to the top position throughout the year. It would have made no difference to Olympic Prems if they lost their final game to Metro. They had nothing at stake and would finish in fourth position on the ladder.
It is true that some of our Reserve girls were rewarded for good form with the odd Prems game or two like Metro. However,they were not REGULAR Premier League players. Your publication of so-called facts just highlights that players at every club get promoted and demoted.However,we all know who the ultra talented regular players really are.Our Prems team had enough quality to make it hard for girls from the reserves to stay playing in the Prems once injured/unavailable girls returned.This is the way of the world in football. Not everyone has the same amount of talent and ability.Your reply is like a boxer weaving and evading the real issue.
Your replies were "interesting" but definitely not convincing.Even the "neutral" women's football fans are universally condemning what happened whilst acknowledging that the Olympic Reserves deserved to win the title.Interesting isn't it.

[Red Tiger]

Your replies were "interesting" but definitely not convincing.Even the "neutral" women's football fans are universally condemning what happened whilst acknowledging that the Olympic Reserves deserved to win the title.Interesting isn't it.

Here here........well of course in their eyes "Interesting" thinks they haven't done anything wrong......however you want to look at it....playing a minimum of 2 games does not justify their involvement in that game.....clearly for the majority of the season they were classed as Prem players......so at the end of the day you can whine and moan all you want interesing......but Studs up has it right......and this is coming from a 'neutral' football supporter........don't have any association with either club in question.....

[adelaidepie]

Another point is how many reserves players were 'dropped' to their div two and how many games did this happen for? So was it the rewarded div two players go up or the dropped prems players coming down? Either way it leaves all of this open to discussoin rightly or wrongly and this is were the 'confusion' can be!

But as people have said not much can or will be done about it.

Adelaidepie

[on the side]

My last reply on this distateful matter. It is "interesting" that despite what you said about how you guys manage your players you still refer to players dropping down from the "Prems" side every week. So Metro does have a Prems side and a Reserves side as another writer on this forum put to you.Interesting.
Even if Metro just dropped the FOUR players as you put it,it is still a deliberate attempt to strengthen the reserves for a title-deciding game. Definitely unsporting and morally wrong. As for your question it has already been answered in my previous post. I have stated already that Olympic resisted the temptation (one that Metro couldn't!) and played the girls that had got them to the top position throughout the year. It would have made no difference to Olympic Prems if they lost their final game to Metro. They had nothing at stake and would finish in fourth position on the ladder.
It is true that some of our Reserve girls were rewarded for good form with the odd Prems game or two like Metro. However,they were not REGULAR Premier League players. Your publication of so-called facts just highlights that players at every club get promoted and demoted.However,we all know who the ultra talented regular players really are.Our Prems team had enough quality to make it hard for girls from the reserves to stay playing in the Prems once injured/unavailable girls returned.This is the way of the world in football. Not everyone has the same amount of talent and ability.Your reply is like a boxer weaving and evading the real issue.
Your replies were "interesting" but definitely not convincing.Even the "neutral" women's football fans are universally condemning what happened whilst acknowledging that the Olympic Reserves deserved to win the title.Interesting isn't it.

Sorry Studs Up, thats just soccer. thats sport. If laws dont deem it as cheating then clubs are entitled to do it. Its up to each individual club to decide, u take the risk that the other club might use there better players for the game. I think its great Olympic played the girls that had played all season and got them there, and I also think it was great Metro dropped some of there better players to strengthen the team. You play as a team, you represent a club, you strive for success on the park. I have no affiliation with either club, but I dont think anyone has to explain themself and you should stop whinging and understand that's just the game.

[Studs Up]

Actually "On the Side",I am not whinging. This is a forum and I wanted to present an alternative view to what "Interesting" was saying.I myself played at the highest level in the local game and DO understand that this,unfortunately,does take place in football and indeed other sports.However that DOES NOT make what Metro did right even if it is not against the rules. People often try to get around the rules but I never said that Metro "cheated". You yourself congratulated Olympic for playing the girls that would have normally played so you are not actually disagreeing with me. I just felt so sorry for the Olympic girls to go through the whole season undefeated,concede only three goals and then to lose the championship under those circumstances. Moreover,I felt sorry for the Metro girls that had to make way after playing most of the season.Then to rub it in "Interesting" tried to justify Metro's actions by giving us a lot of bullshit replies.It is interesting that you are the only one to congratulate Metro for doing this. As I have already said,I have only heard universal condemnation by many people involved in the local women's football community.

[E. Grant & Co]

What an interesting discussion.

Every club both male and female have at different times tried to strengthen their 'second' team to win an important league or cup match that's the name of the game.

Is it right .........who knows, the offending club will always argue that it is their right to decide where their players can play and I'm sure they have convinced themselves that they didn't/haven't done anything wrong....UNTIL the boot is on the other foot, then I'm 100% certain that they too will want to take the moral high ground and start to point the finger at another club doing the same thing to them.

That's life, that's football...................and sooner or later it will happen!!!

[deyy]

What an interesting discussion.

Every club both male and female have at different times tried to strengthen their 'second' team to win an important league or cup match that's the name of the game.

Is it right .........who knows, the offending club will always argue that it is their right to decide where their players can play and I'm sure they have convinced themselves that they didn't/haven't done anything wrong....UNTIL the boot is on the other foot, then I'm 100% certain that they too will want to take the moral high ground and start to point the finger at another club doing the same thing to them.

That's life, that's football...................and sooner or later it will happen!!!

Here here!