club with the best junior pathway and development

[fossil]

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

may you even dare put up what is the bare minimum that should be provided to juniors from any club and at which ages should they be introduced.

[TiTi Thierry Henry]

im not a coach but i wud hav to say
its Adelaide City
if you look at their training calendar it has all these
special training events like physical conditioning and other stuff like that
plus Adelaide City seniors are the best and would probably be the nxt team
in the A-League if SA were to get another one :?

[fossil]

thanks for the comments would be great if others contributed

[Željko Jurin]

im not a coach but i wud hav to say
its Adelaide City
if you look at their training calendar it has all these
special training events like physical conditioning and other stuff like that
plus Adelaide City seniors are the best and would probably be the nxt team
in the A-League if SA were to get another one :?

You pay alot of money to only train once a week in u/10s still

[TiTi Thierry Henry]

You pay alot of money to only train once a week in u/10s still

well i aint in U10s so thats sumthin for the club to work out

[Nova]

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

may you even dare put up what is the bare minimum that should be provided to juniors from any club and at which ages should they be introduced.

Ok, you want an opinion, here's mine
Iv'e high lighted a couple of key words that you wrote as they are so opposite in what clubs should be offering to kids!
Development -
"EVERY" club offers juniors adequete tools for development, and that's a big grassed area,two goals, a ball, some team mates and a big guy or girl looking after them!
Clubs and coaches do not produce champions, this is inbuilt in a persons make up from birth and they have the ability to take important information from what ever source they can to make them selves better at their chosen sport
Coaches and clubs like to think they are soley responsible for creating champions but it's really they player that has achieved this with whatever he's decided to take from whoever

Pathway -
This is just another word for "hope", "dreams", "there's gold at the end of this" and is normally use by parents who are looking for a bigger picture and clubs that offer the world as a package deal for your childs soul
If a player is any good, he will always find his way to the top!
And when I say good, that means in body and mind

[Martin Tyler]

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

may you even dare put up what is the bare minimum that should be provided to juniors from any club and at which ages should they be introduced.

Ok, you want an opinion, here's mine
Iv'e high lighted a couple of key words that you wrote as they are so opposite in what clubs should be offering to kids!
Development -
"EVERY" club offers juniors adequete tools for development, and that's a big grassed area,two goals, a ball, some team mates and a big guy or girl looking after them!
Clubs and coaches do not produce champions, this is inbuilt in a persons make up from birth and they have the ability to take important information from what ever source they can to make them selves better at their chosen sport
Coaches and clubs like to think they are soley responsible for creating champions but it's really they player that has achieved this with whatever he's decided to take from whoever

Pathway -
This is just another word for "hope", "dreams", "there's gold at the end of this" and is normally use by parents who are looking for a bigger picture and clubs that offer the world as a package deal for your childs soul
If a player is any good, he will always find his way to the top!
And when I say good, that means in body and mind

Exactly right.

Adelaide City = cheque book soccer. The best senior team is generally formed by offering the most money. No problems with that - Man U do it, Milan do it, Sydney FC do it.

However, these type of clubs attract juniors with stars in their eyes, thinking they are on the golden path to greatness, yet not accepting that these clubs will just as quickly pass them over to chase the 'next big thing' with their cheque books, from external sources just as quickly (or more quickly) than internal ones.

Being a junior at a popular or successful club does not guarantee individual success. Ability and attitude should get a good player to the top, even if he plays for Boondocks FC.

[Squizzy]

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

may you even dare put up what is the bare minimum that should be provided to juniors from any club and at which ages should they be introduced.

Ok, you want an opinion, here's mine
Iv'e high lighted a couple of key words that you wrote as they are so opposite in what clubs should be offering to kids!
Development -
"EVERY" club offers juniors adequete tools for development, and that's a big grassed area,two goals, a ball, some team mates and a big guy or girl looking after them!
Clubs and coaches do not produce champions, this is inbuilt in a persons make up from birth and they have the ability to take important information from what ever source they can to make them selves better at their chosen sport
Coaches and clubs like to think they are soley responsible for creating champions but it's really they player that has achieved this with whatever he's decided to take from whoever

Pathway -
This is just another word for "hope", "dreams", "there's gold at the end of this" and is normally use by parents who are looking for a bigger picture and clubs that offer the world as a package deal for your childs soul
If a player is any good, he will always find his way to the top!
And when I say good, that means in body and mind

How dare you come out with this common sense. You've changed, man..... changed

[Barney Rubble]

Love it,

you must be a carpenter by trade Nova . . .

hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Buy you a beer mate

[Nova]

Love it,

you must be a carpenter by trade Nova . . .

hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Buy you a beer mate

Glad you enjoyed it, but it's true

I'll take you up on the beer one day

[swannsong]

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

may you even dare put up what is the bare minimum that should be provided to juniors from any club and at which ages should they be introduced.

Ok, you want an opinion, here's mine
Iv'e high lighted a couple of key words that you wrote as they are so opposite in what clubs should be offering to kids!
Development -
"EVERY" club offers juniors adequete tools for development, and that's a big grassed area,two goals, a ball, some team mates and a big guy or girl looking after them!
Clubs and coaches do not produce champions, this is inbuilt in a persons make up from birth and they have the ability to take important information from what ever source they can to make them selves better at their chosen sport
Coaches and clubs like to think they are soley responsible for creating champions but it's really they player that has achieved this with whatever he's decided to take from whoever

Pathway -
This is just another word for "hope", "dreams", "there's gold at the end of this" and is normally use by parents who are looking for a bigger picture and clubs that offer the world as a package deal for your childs soul
If a player is any good, he will always find his way to the top!
And when I say good, that means in body and mind

That's it Nova and out !

[Missing Post Count]

Very well written too.

[Drusetta]

Well in Nova!

[MegaBonus]

new boot

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

going back to the original question, no-one has....

1 - clarified what the 'destination' is once a child/teenager starts on a football pathway eg: is it to play for the national team, the A' League team, to become a full time or part time professional and earn an income, is it to remain in the game in an associated profession eg physio, trainer, referee, management etc


and

2 - how do you measure the success of a clubs pathway curriculum????

i'm more than interested to hear what people have to say



and nova... i'd like to challenge you when you say.......

Clubs and coaches do not produce champions, this is inbuilt in a persons make up from birth and they have the ability to take important information from what ever source they can to make them selves better at their chosen sport
Coaches and clubs like to think they are soley responsible for creating champions but it's really they player that has achieved this with whatever he's decided to take from whoever

by what youve written, you seem 'educated' to a reasonable level

where you born with all the knowledge you have now and the necessary skills to acquire knowledge???????

if not... who helped you and how did they achieve it???

even with a genetic disposition towards a natural gift in say sport or academia... these gifts must still be nurtured.

good coaches (and teachers ) promote and encourage this!!!!

[fossil]

new boot

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

going back to the original question, no-one has....

1 - clarified what the 'destination' is once a child/teenager starts on a football pathway eg: is it to play for the national team, the A' League team, to become a full time or part time professional and earn an income, is it to remain in the game in an associated profession eg physio, trainer, referee, management etc


and

2 - how do you measure the success of a clubs pathway curriculum????

i'm more than interested to hear what people have to say



and nova... i'd like to challenge you when you say.......

Clubs and coaches do not produce champions, this is inbuilt in a persons make up from birth and they have the ability to take important information from what ever source they can to make them selves better at their chosen sport
Coaches and clubs like to think they are soley responsible for creating champions but it's really they player that has achieved this with whatever he's decided to take from whoever

by what youve written, you seem 'educated' to a reasonable level

where you born with all the knowledge you have now and the necessary skills to acquire knowledge???????

if not... who helped you and how did they achieve it???

even with a genetic disposition towards a natural gift in say sport or academia... these gifts must still be nurtured.

good coaches (and teachers ) promote and encourage this!!!!

is it not the measurement tools and guidelines that get established first and then the clubs ablitiy to truely access what they may have put in place.
most clubs I'd say would use the old method of the win loss ratio and not of where the players level start.

as for the process you mention in 1st point does that lead to 2nd point give the player the options and or ability to select any of the destinations you have outlined.

[Nova]

new boot

Ok coaches who's game enough to name which club supplies the best pathway and development to the juniors regardles of which comp they compete in

going back to the original question, no-one has....

1 - clarified what the 'destination' is once a child/teenager starts on a football pathway eg: is it to play for the national team, the A' League team, to become a full time or part time professional and earn an income, is it to remain in the game in an associated profession eg physio, trainer, referee, management etc


and

2 - how do you measure the success of a clubs pathway curriculum????

i'm more than interested to hear what people have to say



and nova... i'd like to challenge you when you say.......

Clubs and coaches do not produce champions, this is inbuilt in a persons make up from birth and they have the ability to take important information from what ever source they can to make them selves better at their chosen sport
Coaches and clubs like to think they are soley responsible for creating champions but it's really they player that has achieved this with whatever he's decided to take from whoever

by what youve written, you seem 'educated' to a reasonable level

where you born with all the knowledge you have now and the necessary skills to acquire knowledge???????

if not... who helped you and how did they achieve it???

even with a genetic disposition towards a natural gift in say sport or academia... these gifts must still be nurtured.

good coaches (and teachers ) promote and encourage this!!!!

No worries MB, but I think you took this a little out of context

I'm not saying that coaches, clubs and teachers have 'nothing' to do with a persons developement! Each coach will have something to contribute (good or bad), the pupil that will succeed is the one that can determine the good from the bad, the usefull from the not usefull!

I've seen many coaches that don't even have the technical know how or ability to open a baked bean can, let alone teach how to do it, yet have had some brilliant players come through them! Can you really credit these coaches for developing a champion?Where did these kids learn the skills their coach didn't teach them? How is it possible that they can juggle a ball 500 times when they never did it at training?

What I'm saying is that the coaches and clubs are not 'SOLEY' the ones that produce these players! Yes a good coach or teacher will contribute more than a bad one but it's still up to the pupil to take what he/she needs to make themselves into what they want to be

I coach a team and I have some outstanding young players that more than likely will play at a high level! There is one kid in particular (who is a fantastic player mind you) who was doing a passing drill with his team mates where they passed a ball around a square in one direction. The aim of the drill was to trap the ball with your left foot and then pass it square with your right foot, simple eh! Well not for this kid, he continuously trapped it with his right and passed with the same foot, did it perfectly every time too! What do I do with this, coach it out of him because he's technically wrong, well it aint gonna happen coz he's made up his mind and I admire that

You are a teacher, yes? Some of the kids infront of you are learning and will use you for what you're worth and will succeed in their chosen paths! The rest are parrots and although still will be classified as "EDUCATED" will be happy average people

[Squizzy]

No worries MB, but I think you took this a little out of context

I'm not saying that coaches, clubs and teachers have 'nothing' to do with a persons developement! Each coach will have something to contribute (good or bad), the pupil that will succeed is the one that can determine the good from the bad, the usefull from the not usefull!

I've seen many coaches that don't even have the technical know how or ability to open a baked bean can, let alone teach how to do it, yet have had some brilliant players come through them! Can you really credit these coaches for developing a champion?Where did these kids learn the skills their coach didn't teach them? How is it possible that they can juggle a ball 500 times when they never did it at training?

What I'm saying is that the coaches and clubs are not 'SOLEY' the ones that produce these players! Yes a good coach or teacher will contribute more than a bad one but it's still up to the pupil to take what he/she needs to make themselves into what they want to be

I coach a team and I have some outstanding young players that more than likely will play at a high level! There is one kid in particular (who is a fantastic player mind you) who was doing a passing drill with his team mates where they passed a ball around a square in one direction. The aim of the drill was to trap the ball with your left foot and then pass it square with your right foot, simple eh! Well not for this kid, he continuously trapped it with his right and passed with the same foot, did it perfectly every time too! What do I do with this, coach it out of him because he's technically wrong, well it aint gonna happen coz he's made up his mind and I admire that

You are a teacher, yes? Some of the kids infront of you are learning and will use you for what you're worth and will succeed in their chosen paths! The rest are parrots and although still will be classified as "EDUCATED" will be happy average people

Well said.

[MegaBonus]

@ nova.... i have no issues with what you have written... it all sounds very reasonable

ive sent you a 'PM'

[johnydep]

@ nova.... i have no issues with what you have written... it all sounds very reasonable

ive sent you a 'PM'

Come on, share the info!

[MegaBonus]

no secret mens business here!!!

just a couple of interested parties exchanging ideas!!!

[johnydep]

no secret mens business here!!!

just a couple of interested parties exchanging ideas!!!

[MegaBonus]

would a forum where coaches can advise and offer ideas for training sessions be popular amongst coaches?????

eg..

hi i'm john, coach of the Titans U12. on sunday we conceded 2 goals from set plays. we had a player guarding the front and back post as well as man marking the opposition.

can anyone advise on how to better prepare my team to defend such situations???

just an idea

[johnydep]

would a forum where coaches can advise and offer ideas for training sessions be popular amongst coaches?????

eg..

hi i'm john, coach of the Titans U12. on sunday we conceded 2 goals from set plays. we had a player guarding the front and back post as well as man marking the opposition.

can anyone advise on how to better prepare my team to defend such situations???

just an idea

I've mentioned 'coaching forums' to the FFSA and FFA, when I first completed my coaching licence; 5 or 6 years ago. A internet type, hosted by the federation and also a regular forum that coaches can meet each other, have speakers and discuss items.

Email the FFSA and FFA adn ask, they're probably sick of me by now

Have you looked here; http://www.soccercoachinginternational.com/index.php
http://www.soccercoachinginternational. ... page=forum

[Nova]

would a forum where coaches can advise and offer ideas for training sessions be popular amongst coaches?????

eg..

hi i'm john, coach of the Titans U12. on sunday we conceded 2 goals from set plays. we had a player guarding the front and back post as well as man marking the opposition.

can anyone advise on how to better prepare my team to defend such situations???

just an idea

Hi John, try not giving away free kicks

Sorry, couldn't resist

[Drusetta]

would a forum where coaches can advise and offer ideas for training sessions be popular amongst coaches?????
eg..hi i'm john, coach of the Titans U12. on sunday we conceded 2 goals from set plays. we had a player guarding the front and back post as well as man marking the opposition. can anyone advise on how to better prepare my team to defend such situations??? just an idea

2 schools of thought - man marking and zonal marking.

I always encourage players to be hungry to get to the ball first.

As for players "guarding the post" I am currently watching professional footballers (Bundesliga) "guard the post."
From what? A gang of goal post attacking thugs? A swarm of metal eating locusts?
Coaches have been saying that for years - guarding the post. Not the most easily understood phrase by youngsters.

Players are actually supporting the GK by protecting the corners of the goal...the post can take care of itself!?

Generally speaking I like to ask players why they are standing in certain positions, and what they will do if the goes here, or there, etc. Their responses usually comfirm their understanding of the game and what you need to tell them or demonstrate to them.

Hope this helps.

I'm all for a coaches forum - I'd love to hear from learned football people on the where the game is going.
For example I've seen coaches starting to use 4-2-2-2 formation.

More teams are being effective (scoring and winning games) without the maority of possession.

All good stufff to analyse in my opinion.

Cheers

[MegaBonus]

thanx drusetta for taking the time - thats exactly what i'm talking about!!!

however,

i dont really coach the U12 Titans team and my name isnt john.... it was only a hpothetical!!!!

[Martin Tyler]

would a forum where coaches can advise and offer ideas for training sessions be popular amongst coaches?????
eg..hi i'm john, coach of the Titans U12. on sunday we conceded 2 goals from set plays. we had a player guarding the front and back post as well as man marking the opposition. can anyone advise on how to better prepare my team to defend such situations??? just an idea

2 schools of thought - man marking and zonal marking.

I always encourage players to be hungry to get to the ball first.

As for players "guarding the post" I am currently watching professional footballers (Bundesliga) "guard the post."
From what? A gang of goal post attacking thugs? A swarm of metal eating locusts?
Coaches have been saying that for years - guarding the post. Not the most easily understood phrase by youngsters.

Players are actually supporting the GK by protecting the corners of the goal...the post can take care of itself!?

Generally speaking I like to ask players why they are standing in certain positions, and what they will do if the goes here, or there, etc. Their responses usually comfirm their understanding of the game and what you need to tell them or demonstrate to them.

Hope this helps.

I'm all for a coaches forum - I'd love to hear from learned football people on the where the game is going.
For example I've seen coaches starting to use 4-2-2-2 formation.

More teams are being effective (scoring and winning games) without the maority of possession.

All good stufff to analyse in my opinion.

Cheers

I use a 4-1-3-2 with my girls and works very effectively if your players know how to play their positions correctly.

[Drusetta]

Regarding formations, I agree with Marcello Lippi's comments that the make-up of the team will determine the formation; and not that the coach will make the team play to his / her chosen formation.

[johnydep]

Regarding formations, I agree with Marcello Lippi's comments that the make-up of the team will determine the formation; and not that the coach will make the team play to his / her chosen formation.

True at certain ages and develpment stages. However, remember that young players are still learning habits, it's up to the coach to play them in different formations to determine what their capabilities are, and also to help them learn all about formations.

Another thing - coaches see different things in players; you may see one as a great defensive midfield, I may see an attacking forward (also determined by what and how the coach speaks, instructs, motivates, etc).

My point - don't lock young players into one position.

[Drusetta]

johnydep
I wasn't referring to junior development - as I quoted Marcello Lippi I was talking highest (international) level; and generally at that

Totally agree - junior development is different; players need to learn all aspects of the game.

As for coaches seeing different things in different players - this can also change with the opposition (again talking at the highest level). Benitez put Steven Gerard up front for Liverpool for the first time 2 seasons ago; but only in certain games. Erikssen put Joe Cole up front for Egnland a few times also I believe. Scott Chipperfield had played as a forward up until he was 19, then left midfield, then represents his country at the World Cup at left full back - which backs up your point.

I think this means coaches need to put players (especially young developing players) into all situations / positions during training and matches to allow their all round game to develop. This will make them more adaptable players when they become seniors.

I've lost count of the times players/parents have told me exactly what position they are (even as young as 6!!!!). "My son's an attacking midfielder. Actually, Mr Smith you're son is 8!"


All good.