Torino 0 - 1 Juventus

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:01 am

Serie A Week 6 - 30/9/07 (19.30 UK)
Torino 0 - 1 Juventus
Trezeguet 93 (J)
Stadio Olimpico

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A tense battle of a Turin derby was decided by a classic David Trezeguet poachers' goal deep into stoppages.

The Derby della Mole was last played in 2003, but Toro were looking for their first 'home' victory since 1995 and were without a win at all yet this season. The suspended Walter Novellino was joined in the stands by injured hero Alessandro Rosina, Ivan Franceschini, Nikola Lazetic, Tommaso Vailatti, Roberto Stellone and Marco Di Loreto.

Juve also had problems to contend with, as on-form striker Vincenzo Iaquinta, Jean-Alain Boumsong, Jorge Andrade, Mauro Camoranesi, Marco Marchionni and the banned Jonathan Zebina were sidelined, so Giorgio Chiellini was in central defence. Fresh from a 4-0 demolition of Reggina on Wednesday, confidence was high and the top spots within sight.

The Stadio Olimpico was a spectacle with huge choreographies covering the curve - the ends of the stadium where the hardline fans congregate. Unfortunately there were clashes between fans and police a few hours before kick-off.

David Trezeguet had the first attempt on target after 55 seconds, Matteo Sereni beating away the sudden snapshot for a corner. Toro had plenty of the ball, but Juve had the best chances, as Pavel Nedved and Trezeguet got in each others' way to head a Raffaele Palladino cross wide.

Sereni captured a low Palladino ball for Trezeguet on the counter, but Nedved was booked for a foul on Gianluca Comotto. From that set-piece Alvaro Recoba swung a left-foot effort towards the far corner, but it ricocheted off teammate Nicola Ventola.

Vince Grella was carded for a dangerous tackle on Cristian Molinaro, while Paolo Hernan Dellafiore lost the ball to Alessandro Del Piero, but was able to get another touch to let Sereni close him down.

There was a defensive mess on 32 minutes. Paolo Zanetti threaded through for Recoba and after Nicola Legrottaglie's failed clearance, Gigi Buffon stuck out a long leg to anticipate Il Chino for a corner.

The tension was rising and Eugenio Corini was lucky he escaped punishment after pulling Nedved's hair during an argument. Sereni smothered a Palladino snapshot from distance, then Del Piero headed on for Nedved and Trezeguet couldn't turn in around the six-yard box. Buffon did well to intercept another smart Recoba pass for Simone Barone.

Del Piero went on a splendid solo run, turning between two defenders with a nutmeg and was ready to pull the trigger when he was hacked down by Comotto. Straight after the restart there was panic for Juventus. Recoba's cross-shot found Comotto, but Buffon threw himself over the ball and got kicked in the head for his troubles.

Cristiano Zanetti bravely intercepted a Recoba cutback for Ventola, then Buffon plucked Chino's cross off the striker's head. Sergio Almiron replaced Cristiano Zanetti, while Cesare Natali suffered a suspected thigh strain and made way for Matteo Rubin, moving Salvatore Lanna to central defence.

Buffon fingertipped a Ventola looping header out from under the crossbar on 20-year-old substitute Rubin's cross from the left. Molinaro intervened with a crucial challenge to put the ball out for a corner as Recoba's curling cross was heading straight for substitute Marco Motta at the back post.

Buffon came out for the ball but had to dribble it into his own area so he could grab it, all the while under serious pressure from Rubin. Hasan Salihamidzic combined well with Del Piero, but the cross was just past Trezeguet. Dellafiore closed down the Frenchman in another move.

Juve had their best chance of the game so far five minutes from time. Del Piero drew Comotto out wide and threaded through for the on-rushing Nedved, but he ballooned over from nine yards.

The game seemed to be moving towards a 0-0 finish when deep into stoppages Trezeguet proved he is a goal poacher like no other. A misplaced back-header from Dellafiore looped into the air and Trez hit a fantastic volley from the edge of the area to give Juventus the lead! He was offside on the first pass, but as the eventual assist came from a Toro defender, he was kept in play.

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Torino: Sereni; Comotto, Natali (Rubin 69), Dellafiore, Lanna; P Zanetti (Motta 76), Corini, Barone, Grella; Recoba; Ventola (Bjelanovic 87)

Juventus: Buffon; Grygera, Legrottaglie, Chiellini, Molinaro; Palladino (Salihamidzic 79), Nocerino, C Zanetti (Almiron 69), Nedved; Trezeguet, Del Piero

Ref: Rocchi

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:07 am

What a goal to beat Toro! Brilliant by Trez. Wasn't the best match, but who cares? We beat them, that is all that matters.

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:07 am

Pts
Inter 14
Juventus 13
Fiorentina 12
Roma 11
Napoli 10
Palermo 10
Udinese 10
Atalanta 9
Genoa 9
Sampdoria 8
Milan 7
Lazio 7
Cagliari 7
Parma 6
Catania 6
Empoli 5
Torino 4
Siena 3
Reggina 3
Livorno 2

the lorax · Post by **the lorax** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:05 am

any1 got a link for the goal or highlights/

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:55 am

0-1 Trezeguet:
Download Zshare
http://www.zshare.net/download/39412110a22f75/

Watch:
MegaVideo
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=ESFH0EFN

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:00 am

Extended Highlights HERE
http://watchgoals.blogspot.com/2007/09/ ... entus.html
6 min :17 sec (sky sport)

credits: tomasgaru2

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:15 am

Novellino blames the ref

Torino Coach Walter Novellino was furious after the derby loss, as he insists David Trezeguet was offside.

â€œTrezeguet started the move in an offside position and the referee cannot change the rules,â€ he snapped after Juventusâ€™ 1-0 victory.

â€œI am very angry, as this is a horrific thing to see. One works so hard and then you miss out on valuable points.â€

The incident was debatable, as the changes in the offside rule may exonerate Trezeguet, as he showed no interest in the ball when it was first played and did not reach him. This is, however, a matter of interpretation.

When the Frenchman did get the ball, it was passed to him by a Torino defender, so he could not have been offside and it effectively â€˜startedâ€™ a new move.

Novellino believes this is not the first time Toro have been on the receiving end of a refereeing error and called on designator Pierluigi Collina.

â€œWe need to make Collina understand that we are here too. I am sorry to see our position in the table, as we are playing good football.â€

This was the 221st Derby della Mole in all competition, consisting of 88 Juventus wins, 74 for Torino and 59 draws.

The Granata have not beaten their local rivals since April 9, 1995 with a 2-1 â€˜awayâ€™ sealed by Ruggero Rizzitelliâ€™s brace.

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:26 am

Ranieri: Juve have character

Claudio Ranieri experienced his first Derby della Mole and praised defeated opponents Torino.

â€œA derby is always a derby and it is wonderfully satisfying to win one,â€ smiled the Juventus boss after their 1-0 triumph.

â€œIt may not have had the prettiest football, but it was a battle between two sides who really wanted the win.â€

David Trezeguet secured the result deep into stoppages when he pounced on a misplaced Paolo Hernan Dellafiore backpass.

â€œTrezeguet is in stunning form at the moment. He is really enjoying his football and what I notice is that he puts more pressure on opposition defenders. The whole team has character. A Coach can talk and motivate them, but if a side doesnâ€™t have it in them, you cannot bring it out.â€

Juve come away with all three points, but it was a nervous and often fractious encounter with plenty of tackles flying in.

â€œTorino played a great game,â€ assured Ranieri. â€œWe felt the tension, as for some of us it was our first derby, so we could never do as well as in other circumstances.

â€œThe derby is separate from everything, as your position in the table or your form going into it counts for nothing.â€

This puts Juventus just one point off leaders Inter and allows them to leapfrog previous top team Roma in the standings.

â€œInter are Inter. The media called it a crisis and theyâ€™re top! It will be very difficult to keep up with them, though,â€ mused the former Chelsea boss.

â€œThe fact we are not playing in Europe will keep us fresher, so anything we can do to stay in the general vicinity of the leading group is absolutely fine.â€

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:53 pm

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:42 pm

Missing Post Count · Post by **Missing Post Count** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:48 pm

The thing of passive offside creates more problems than it fixes. If you're on the park, you ARE interfering with play

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:32 pm

BAGGIO 15 wrote: The incident was debatable, as the changes in the offside rule may exonerate Trezeguet, as he showed no interest in the ball when it was first played and did not reach him. This is, however, a matter of interpretation.

regardless it's three points for Juve done and dusted.

But in all honesty Baggio how would you interpret it?

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:50 pm

At the time I thought it would be disallowed. I was suprised the Toro players didn't complain more as for Novellino he specialises in complaining.

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:52 pm

Nedved should of rapped it up 5 minutes ealier, but continued his current form, to be honest he was better as was Alex, much better.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:01 pm

I can handle ref mistakes, it's part of the game, as long as it's not one way inconsistent biases decision favouring the same teams weeks in week out.

Baggio on a side note how do I get your Rd6 highlights link to display video? All I get is sound?

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:47 pm

Had it not hit the defender it would have been offside clearly. But since Trez could not have been offisde from the Almiron header until he touched the ball and with the last touch them coming off a Torino defender, it was onside.

97, you are probably missing a codec. Not sure which one though, so sorry can't help you out there. Anybody else know what he needs?

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:49 pm

http://watchgoals.blogspot.com/2007/09/ ... goals.html

Try that video. It has all the goals excpet for Torino - Juve.

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:08 pm

97 wrote:I can handle ref mistakes, it's part of the game, as long as it's not one way inconsistent biases decision favouring the same teams weeks in week out.

Baggio on a side note how do I get your Rd6 highlights link to display video? All I get is sound?

Google x264, it's a video codec that is widely used now days. either that or down load a codec pack called FFD show.

Get them from http://www.free-codecs.com

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:02 am

cheers Juvetino & Baggio all sorted,

although still reckon it was offside

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:08 am

Under old rules, yes Trez would have been offside hence no goal. But now, he has to touch the ball (meaning he is in play) before he can be given offside. Since he did not touch the ball directly after the Almiron header, instead coming off a Toro defender meant he was onside.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:14 am

define "touch"

so I slip a ball through to an attacker who is in an offside position as I play it but as the ball is played through a defender gets a touch on the ball trying to intercept, and because of this touch your trying to tell me the attacker is now played onside?

When did this new rule come about?

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:38 am

It can be any touch. Since Trezeguet was offside had he got the next touch of the ball after Almiron's header to give the goal would have been wrong. However in between Almiron and Trezeguet we have the Dellafiore header, thus rendering Trez's position (which was offside) useless, since Dellafiore has got his head to the ball, bringing Trez back into play.

Not sure exactly when the rule came in, but it wouldn't have been that long ago. It is why now if you are offside when a ball is played through and not about to interfere in play and get a touch of the ball, somebody who is onside can run onto it.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:53 am

never heard of it until now. I'd go with you until proven otherwise but I reckon it's a dodgy rule, a deliberate backpass I can understand but trying to intercept a forward pass shouldn't be ruled in favour of an attacker who was offside.

It then means that a defender trying to stop the play has to contemplate if the receiving striker is on or off side while assessing if he can actually affectively reach the ball....bollocks to that. Should be interpreted the same way as a backpass to a keeper.

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:50 am

Trez was in an off side position, but didn't run with or at the Almiron header. It was towards DP. Trez was on side by the time the Toro defender knocked it into his path. That's the interpretation I believe the ref used and the commentators saw it the same way as have almost every site of read.

Blue Mastiff · Post by **Blue Mastiff** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:05 am

i just had to break up the baggio / 97 dominance on this post before it got too much out of hand.

diegom · Post by **diegom** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:08 am

ANOTHER get out of jail card played by the Juve!

JUVE 11 · Post by **JUVE 11** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:11 am

They had a representaive from the referees last nite on the RAI show Domenica Sportiva.
(great show with a panel of experts including Fabio Capello. A 2 hour show with highlights and feedback on every game of the weekend)

The representative also confirmed that the goal was 100% legitimate, and a correct decision by the referee and his assistant.

JUVE 11 · Post by **JUVE 11** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:15 am

diegom wrote:ANOTHER get out of jail card played by the Juve!

Did you forget about this one:

ANOTHER get out of jail card played by GENOA !!

SUCK S*IT !!!!!

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:28 pm

BAGGIO 15 wrote:Trez was in an off side position, but didn't run with or at the Almiron header. It was towards DP. Trez was on side by the time the Toro defender knocked it into his path. That's the interpretation I believe the ref used and the commentators saw it the same way as have almost every site of read.

well that wasn't the case either, not only was Trez off side but he even managed to dodge the yellow for taking off his shirt.....blatant cheating

adriano10 · Post by **adriano10** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:42 pm

diegom wrote:ANOTHER get out of jail card played by the Juve!

Tell me about it!!!