Do you rate Pele's opinion

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:28 pm

Never been a big fan of his opinions since he retired, comes across as a FIFA puppet to me and I much rather someone like Maradona who tells us exactly what he thinks.

However I couldn't help post this quote from channel 4 considering how much it's been talked about on this forum.

â€œCristiano Ronaldo is without doubt the best player in England, but thatâ€™s a long way off being the best in the world.â€

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:34 pm

Agree, he isn't the best player in the world.

But I am a bit hestitant though to agree with the man who said an African team would win the world cup by 2000

ronaldo07 · Post by **ronaldo07** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:39 pm

Never like his comment ..
and his prediction is ALWAYS WRONG !! I'll be glad to become his bookie if he want to bet on soccer !!
btw, if c ronaldo isn't the best player in da world, he'll be closed enough to claim that honour... pele seriously has some problem !!

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:45 pm

Cristiano Ronaldo - close but no cigar.

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:00 pm

juventino_4_ever wrote:Cristiano Ronaldo - close but no cigar.

yeh i agree....Kaka and Ronaldinho are better players imo

ronaldo07 · Post by **ronaldo07** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:34 pm

Kaka might be better in champion league this season, but i believe c ronaldo has better season in the league and last world cup .. and it doesn't mean he is shyte in champion league though (except the match against ac milan in 2nd leg)

ronaldo07 · Post by **ronaldo07** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:35 pm

as for ronaldhino, he's not that shining this season ..
and guess what, he's below average in world cup !!

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:48 pm

Still scored 20 goals for Barcelona this season.

ronaldo07 · Post by **ronaldo07** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:14 pm

juventino_4_ever wrote:Still scored 20 goals for Barcelona this season.

not that shining as compare to previous season ..
and how many goals he score in world cup ?

FerrariTifosi27 · Post by **FerrariTifosi27** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:39 pm

I would rate Kaka' as the current world's best player no doubt, he performs at his best sometimes he doesn't play as well but when he is in form he is just absolutely dominant.

As for C.Ronaldo he is only good at playing on wing with a lightning quick pace and would play at his best alongside Nani on the wings and will become a deadly duo. The only problem with C.Ronaldo is that he hogs the ball too much and he should learn to pass the ball more often.

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:14 pm

Look at some of the players Pele has picked as world beaters, have any of them actually gone on to be any good.

As for Ronaldo, he's good. Drogba is better.

The one and only · Post by **The one and only** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:17 pm

Hawkesy wrote:Look at some of the players Pele has picked as world beaters, have any of them actually gone on to be any good.

As for Ronaldo, he's good. Drogba is better.

no way

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:24 pm

Look at this list of the top 125 living footballers Pele named in 2004.

Following is the list of the "FIFA 100" greatest living footballers as nominated by Pele. The list was compiled to mark the 100th anniversary of the foundation of FIFA and actually contains 125 names:

ARGENTINA
Diego Maradona
Alfredo Di Stefano
Daniel Passarella
Diego Maradona
Gabriel Batistuta
Hernan Crespo
Javier Saviola
Javier Zanetti
Juan Sebastian Veron
Mario Kempes
Omar Sivori

BELGIUM
Franky van der Elst
Jean-Marie Pfaff
Jan Cuelemans

BRAZIL
Socrates
Cafu
Carlos Alberto
Djalma Santos
Falcao
Nilton Santos
Junior
Pele
Rivaldo
Rivelino
Roberto Carlos
Romario
Ronaldinho
Ronaldo
Socrates
Zico

BULGARIA
Hristo Stoichkov

CAMEROON
Roger Milla

CHILE
Pablo Figueroa
Ivan Zamorano

COLOMBIA
Carlos Valderrama

CROATIA
Davor Suker

CZECH REPUBLIC
Josef Masopust
Pavel Nedved

Bobby CharltonDENMARK
Brian Laudrup
Michael Laudrup
Peter Schmeichel

ENGLAND
Alan Shearer
Bobby Charlton
David Beckham
Gary Lineker
Gordon Banks
Kevin Keegan
Michael Owen

FRANCE
David Trezeguet
Didier Deschamps
Eric Cantona
Jean-Pierre Papin
Zinedine Zidane
Just Fontaine
Lilian Thuram
Marcel Desailly
Marius Tresor
Michel Platini
Patrick Vieira
Raymond Kopa
Robert Pires
Thierry Henry
Zinedine Zidane

GERMANY
Franz Beckenbauer
Gerd Mueller
Jurgen Klinsmann
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
Lothar Matthaeus
Michael Ballack
Oliver Kahn
Paul Breitner
Sepp Maier
Uwe Seeler

GHANA
Abedi Pele

HUNGARY
Ferenc Puskas

IRELAND
Roy Keane

ITALY
Alessandro Del Piero
Alessandro Nesta
Christian Vieri
Dino Zoff
Francesco Totti
Franco Baresi
Giampiero Boniperti
Giacinto Fachetti
Gianluca Buffon
Gianni Rivera
Giuseppe Bergomi
Paolo Rossi
Paolo Maldini
Roberto Baggio

JAPAN
Hidetoshi Nakata

LIBERIA
George Weah

MEXICO
Hugo Sanchez

NETHERLANDS
Clarence Seedorf
Dennis Bergkamp
Edgar Davids
Ruud Gullit
Frank Rijkaard
Johan Neeskens
Johan Cruyff
Marco van Basten
Patrick Kluivert
Rene van de Kerkhof
Rob Rensenbrink
Ruud Gullit
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Willie van de Kerkhof

NIGERIA
Jay-Jay Okocha

NORTHERN IRELAND
George Best

PARAGUAY
Romerito

PERU
Teofilo Cubillas

POLAND
Zbigniew Boniek

PORTUGAL
Eusebio
Luis Figo
Rui Costa

ROMANIA
Gheorghe Hagi

RUSSIA
Rinat Disayev

SCOTLAND
Kenny Dalglish

SENEGAL
El Hadji Diouf

SOUTH KOREA
Hong Myung-Bo

SPAIN
Emilio Butragueno
Luis Enrique
Raul

TURKEY
Emre Belozoglu
Rustu Recber

UKRAINE
Andriy Shevchenko

URUGUAY
Enzo Francescoli

UNITED STATES (women)
Michelle Akers
Mia Hamm

lol @ some of those names being included e.g. Diouf.

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:28 pm

ronaldo07 wrote:
juventino_4_ever wrote:Still scored 20 goals for Barcelona this season.
not that shining as compare to previous season ..
and how many goals he score in world cup ?

and how many did C.Ronaldo score in the world cup?!?!? Ronaldinho had a shit season right.... yet he still made and scored more goals than Ronaldo did

seriously he did, check the stats!!!

I prefer Kaka over all of them, C.Ronaldos trickery and skill may be claose, but vision, mentality and ABILITY TO BRING OTHERS INTO THE GAME is so far behind Kaka's brillance its funny to compare the two... C.Ronaldo best player in EPL this season, defiantely but it does not make him the best player in the world... if he came up against defenders like Oddo every second week he would be crying regualrly. As ever another over-hyped pro-EPL propaganda bullshit by the world media.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:59 pm

personally I think it's all toss to say who is the best player in a team game. I thought Essien was one of the best in Germany 06 but while playing for Ghana he's going to get no credit, also doesn't help when he plays so far from goal.

besides, its obvious that Materazzi is the best player going around

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:54 am

Point proven in Pele's list. Where's Gazza?

I'd have him in my top 10, pele doesn't have him in his top 125.

Fred Goldstone · Post by **Fred Goldstone** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:12 pm

You have to realise that Pele was the greatest player the game has ever seen (although many, including me, think Maradonna was a better all-round player) but he was born and raised in the slums of Rio.

He had very little education and his ability at football saved him from a life of poverty and crime.

His various business and polital forays were failures as his trusting nature saw him ripped off and used by so many people.

It was FIFA, mainly due Sepp Blatter, who restored his public image and used his place in people's hearts to promote the game, particularly in the USA.

He is a truly wonderful person and is deserving of all the accolades he gets but his views, by necessity, are tempered by his role as an ambassador for FIFA, and what they ask him to say.

His statements are prepared by FIFA staff and his opinions are carefully manufactured to suit FIFA's policy.

So don't read too much into what he says - it may not be what he truly feels.

MilanManiac · Post by **MilanManiac** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:41 pm

i dont agree with him, and cronaldo is still shit.

kaka ftw.

Crazy-North · Post by **Crazy-North** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:11 pm

pele played football in a time when that game was played at a much slower tempo and it was not as physically demanding. If he were young and in his peak right now he wouldnt even come close to being the best player in the world.

He always talks big players down saying they are not even close to being the best. It seems like he is comparing them to himself. Well i believe many players were and are better then him notably zidane, kaka, c.ronaldo, Ronaldinho etc etc.

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:24 pm

Hawkesy wrote:Point proven in Pele's list. Where's Gazza?

I'd have him in my top 10, pele doesn't have him in his top 125.

Agree where is Gazza?!?! he was class!

Ronny7 · Post by **Ronny7** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:26 pm

Cristiano could be the best player in the world if he puts his mind to it and doesn't worry about the money or the press.

Granted there are some quality players in the world but they cant always be on their best game. This is where Kaka shines, when he has a bad game he still manages to create havoc.

Top 5 players in the world at the moment:

- Cristiano Ronaldo (Man Utd)
- Kaka (AC Milan)
- Ronaldinho (Barcelona)
- Lionel Messi (Barcelona)
- Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)

That is when they are on their a game

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:28 pm

Ronny7 wrote:Cristiano could be the best player in the world if he puts his mind to it and doesn't worry about the money or the press.

Granted there are some quality players in the world but they cant always be on their best game. This is where Kaka shines, when he has a bad game he still manages to create havoc.
Top 5 players in the world at the moment:

- Cristiano Ronaldo (Man Utd)
- Kaka (AC Milan)
- Ronaldinho (Barcelona)
- Lionel Messi (Barcelona)
- Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)

That is when they are on their a game

you just have to watch the CL final 07 to back up ur point... Kaka epitomises the phrase "give him an inch and he'll take a mile"

MilanManiac · Post by **MilanManiac** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:15 pm

kaka is the living definition of efficiency, and cronaldo is the living definition of a fucken moron playboy showpony cunt. sangiovese.

LeboViola · Post by **LeboViola** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:19 pm

i respect pele for his achievements, but as far as his opinions go..... I wouldnt take the word of a FIFA lapdog who follows Blatter where ever he goes. He might have been the role model for youngsters when it comes to behaving, but Maradona is the one the developing players have to watch.

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:06 pm

LFTWNG11 wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:Point proven in Pele's list. Where's Gazza?

I'd have him in my top 10, pele doesn't have him in his top 125.
Agree where is Gazza?!?! he was class!

He's the reason I want to watch Lazio when I'm in Rome. My Italy side were always Inter because of Liam Brady (My dad is good mates with his uncle) but once the Lazio/Gazza thing happened, it was Lazio for me.

Well that and their strong right wing views certainly tie in with mine against the communist Roma anyway.

I also like Venezia as well, as my best mate lives there.

Look at Italia 90, Gazza was the best player in the tournament by miles.

MilanManiac · Post by **MilanManiac** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:41 pm

well Liam Brady is the devil incarnate and you should repent ur wikid ways.

The one and only · Post by **The one and only** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:21 am

Stankovic wrote:pele played football in a time when that game was played at a much slower tempo and it was not as physically demanding. If he were young and in his peak right now he wouldnt even come close to being the best player in the world. He always talks big players down saying they are not even close to being the best. It seems like he is comparing them to himself. Well i believe many players were and are better then him notably zidane, kaka, c.ronaldo, Ronaldinho etc etc.

he would still be the best

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:11 am

Hawkesy wrote:Look at Italia 90, Gazza was the best player in the tournament by miles.

Look at the player in my sig before you make wild statements.

BAGGIO 15 · Post by **BAGGIO 15** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:32 am

He's a hig priced Puppet who's sold his soul.

sacred_june (GrooveChild) · Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:46 am

.... but he saved all of us from erection problems ...