Cheating to win, is it worth it?

nico · Post by **nico** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:25 am

Is it worth cheating to win a reserves game?

Players diving in the box, home team referee making blatantly biased calls etc. Is it worth the effort or does it make the individuals involved and the club as a whole loose all credibility?

Is it worse when you cheat and end up loosing anyway?

Neville Bartos · Post by **Neville Bartos** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:38 am

I reckon karma always catches up with cheaters in the end anyway.

mightyreds · Post by **mightyreds** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:38 am

The biast refereeing is becoming a joke with the referees the Downs put forward yesterday in the C's & B's game, they were cheats!!! 3 penalties to them were given in 2 games & they were making decisions from what there players were saying to them out there. The referee in the 2nd half in the B's must of been straight out of the bar he had no idea was even abusing the opposition...To say that the Downs B's were the better side on the day but the referees were a great help to you.

Post by **Wraith** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:48 am

now now

Knight7 · Post by **Knight7** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:54 am

Our two away games so far this year we have had 2 excellent away referee's - against West Beach and Plympton we won one, lost one but referee had no impact on the result - still more good than bad

marooned · Post by **marooned** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:58 am

"we waz robbed, we waz robbed"
the word is humped!
at 1.0 you may have been robbed but at 5.0 yous was humped.
Toughen up Farmers or you will be back in div 2 quicker than you can say "what happened while we waz whinging". Downs ressies were 4.0 down to westies last week, albeit from some dubious refeereeing but we certainly were not going to take the team off the park like you wanted to do. we toughed it out and went down 5.3 after two of our players got sent off late. Tuffin up Princess..

Beach_Driller · Post by **Beach_Driller** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:06 am

What do you do if your home ref is against you

It seems to be a consistent thing with some clubs Refs and linesmen being a bit biased. While other Clubs trying to be fair give more to the away side.

Personally, I am more annoyed at cheating by players such as diving, professional fouls,etc.

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:13 am

go get some tissues

boy's & then pop down to the chemist & get a bottle of harden the fk up! anyone would think this is a junior net ball forum not senior mens football

legga · Post by **legga** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:25 am

any blind freddy would have given the penalty against Ingle Farm and as for your coaches antics of trying to get the players to walk off the park was a joke and reflects your sooky attitude and die in the arse spirit. you will never win any support carrying on like under sixers who you played like. You even started bagging your own linesman because he did not give a decision your way. All your credibility went out the window yesterday and as soon as you get relegated the better you weasles. We have all had our bad refs you only have to come across Maltese Eddy at the Vale to cop a sense of the real world. Boo Hoo sooky la la....

Robbo · Post by **Robbo** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:20 pm

marooned wrote:"we waz robbed, we waz robbed"
the word is humped!
at 1.0 you may have been robbed but at 5.0 yous was humped.
Toughen up Farmers or you will be back in div 2 quicker than you can say "what happened while we waz whinging". Downs ressies were 4.0 down to westies last week, albeit from some dubious refeereeing but we certainly were not going to take the team off the park like you wanted to do. we toughed it out and went down 5.3 after two of our players got sent off late. Tuffin up Princess..

That being said Marooned, he said you were the better team.

But to have a referee who was stoned off his face, that would venture as far as the centre circle, was incompetant as I had ever seen and basically had absolutely no idea what he was doing, was an absolute disgrace to your club.

I saw myself the Reserves referee and it was nothing short of a joke. Opposition teams are training twice a week to play in games like that, and to treat those players the way you did yesterday is an absolute disgrace.

Pull your head in you twat

nico · Post by **nico** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:23 pm

Wasn't talking about Farm Vs Downs... but nice to see we're not alone.

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:30 pm

robbed robbed robbed robbo

? I can't believe this crap i'm reading at the end of the day the Downs put the ball in the net more times than you!!! 5 times more??? GET OVER IT!!! nico tissues are on special at coles but you probably use a hanky

Ronnie#10 · Post by **Ronnie#10** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:31 pm

The ref for the Vista Vs Gully clash in the B's yesterday was reasonable by what i saw. To be honest i think he tries to compensate for the fact that he's a home team ref and wants to even out the calls the best he can. I played at Vista for 10 years and I dont think he's send a player off yet. He keeped the derby pretty calm i thought. Well Done!!

nico · Post by **nico** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:49 pm

As I said Nugget, we won, so no tears were shed.

Just think it's pretty poor form, but I suppose you wouldn't understand given thieving is a way of life out that way.

Rexie · Post by **Rexie** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:57 pm

I would agree that the Referee issue is certainly something that needs addressing. But to abuse the guys who do it is certainly the wrong things as well.

Speaking with one of your players (farmer) during the Bs game, he said he was worried coz he had to go to work tomorrow and was worried that he might not coz of how the game panned out. To be honest, you could break your leg or get injured even when an offical ref is there.

The penalty in the Bs game was a certain hand ball, infact, if there had of been a offical ref, or even one with any sense, the player would have been sent off, as per the rules of our lovley game for hand balls on the line. The penaties in the c grade were deffinately there, in fact you were lucky not to get maor againt you as every time your sweeper went up to a player, infact most of your defenders, they had thir hand completely in the back on our forwards. The ref who did the game even said to me after that he should have awarded more to us for that reason, but didnt want to consistantly blow it up, so he let most of it run.

The guys who put their hand up do the best job they can so we can get a run on a sunday. The other option is not to play. If we stopped all the winging it would certainly go along way to getting more people to put thier hand up. I like playing and the ref is only one part of the game, as marooned said, we copped it the week before, and he was an offical ref. But put that aside, play soccer, and make it enjoyable for everyone.

Farmers you got pummped inthe b grade, no questions asked, ref or not. maybe you guys expected to win easily coz of last years track record.

NEVER WRITE THE MIGHTY DOWNS OFF!!! IN ANY GRADE!!!

Robbo · Post by **Robbo** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:59 pm

nugget66 wrote:robbed robbed robbed robbo ? I can't believe this crap i'm reading at the end of the day the Downs put the ball in the net more times than you!!! 5 times more??? GET OVER IT!!! nico tissues are on special at coles but you probably use a hanky

nugget66 for a bloke that starts threads on referee standards you have left yourself no pot to piss in with that comment.

A fair go is all we were asking, nevermind the final result

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:02 pm

yes nico you need to leave your women home when you come up north cause they start thinking about how good it would be to be with a real man not a snivilling little sook

your hanky must be soaked you sook!!! If your not sooking why start up a sooky post then HARDEN THE FK UP!!!

Jay Walking · Post by **Jay Walking** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:35 pm

Rexie wrote:The penaties in the c grade were deffinately there, in fact you were lucky not to get maor againt you as every time your sweeper went up to a player, infact most of your defenders, they had thir hand completely in the back on our forwards. The ref who did the game even said to me after that he should have awarded more to us for that reason, but didnt want to consistantly blow it up, so he let most of it run.

In the C's I think the first penalty wasn't there, the second one was definately. I do think that in the final 30 seconds we should of been given a penalty also which the Downs player who committed the foul admitted it was a definate penalty. The C Team ref did a reasonable job but to say you guys should of got more free kicks is a bit much. I think he got most of the decision right. Downs were definately harder at the ball but you generally give away more free kicks when you are. I think our C team boys just ran out of legs in the last 10-15 and Downs got a deserved goal.

Disappointing the slanging match is occurring cause we have had a good friendly rivalry with the Downs in the past. I do think the A team game was a high quality game also which the Downs deserved to win.

Post by **Randoman** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:13 pm

what happens when a club referee sends someone off? does that mean they miss the next game? or does the fact that they arent an accredited referee mean the suspension is unenforcable?

nico · Post by **nico** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:13 pm

Nugget, I wasn't at the Downs game, so can't comment on the refereeing standards and if he was poor or not or if he cheated or not. I've not sooked at all, just asked a question & by your response I'm getting the feeling that you think it's cool to cheat to win a game of reserves football in an amateur league. I suppose you think a win is a win regardless of how you get it, just like a car is a car regardless the fact that it belongs to someone else.

And by the way, the reason I leave my woman at home is there is not enough room in my back seat for her, your mum and your sister.

marooned · Post by **marooned** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:27 pm

robbo said

But to have a referee who was stoned off his face, that would venture as far as the centre circle,

the ref in question played in goal in the c team and was sore but put his hand up to do the b second half that why he didnt move much out of the centre circle.
The reason your players didnt go off when your coach asked them to was that fact that they all knew it was a penalty and stayed on. Your keeper pulled off a great save but like your team all day you were second to the ball and we put in the rebound.
If you call clubs cheats when you lose robbo your going to have a long long season. If you lose, lose gracefully, dont whinge it makes you all look like sore losers. have some dignity. oh and yes you look like the twat.

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:28 pm

like i said before we have all had our share of poor referee's both from other clubs & from the league but it gets me angry when clubs start to make excuses after the game!!! they loose all credibility in my eyes.....it's part of the game GET OVER IT!!! S

KS

Sherminator · Post by **Sherminator** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:02 pm

nico wrote:Wasn't talking about Farm Vs Downs... but nice to see we're not alone.

What game are you talking about?

Jay Walking · Post by **Jay Walking** » Mon May 14, 2007 8:02 pm

nugget66 wrote:like i said before we have all had our share of poor referee's both from other clubs & from the league but it gets me angry when clubs start to make excuses after the game!!! they loose all credibility in my eyes.....it's part of the game GET OVER IT!!! S KS

If you could read, everyone from Ingle Farm said that the Downs were the better team. We weren't making excuses. Its just hard to enjoy the game when you have got that sort of referee.

REPEAT. THE DOWNS WERE THE BETTER SIDE ON THE DAY AND WOULD OF WON EVEN IF WE HAD A NETURAL REF.

Not sure if I can make it any clearer for you Nugget.

Post by **Randoman** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:18 pm

Randoman wrote:what happens when a club referee sends someone off? does that mean they miss the next game? or does the fact that they arent an accredited referee mean the suspension is unenforcable?

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:02 am

jaywalking if the Downs were the better side & diserved the win why bother to even speak about the referee's ??? sorry mate i dont get it you lost & sounds like your s

king to me!!! OTHER WISE WHY BOTHER??? Oh yes congratulations on your "admiralble loss"???

mightyreds · Post by **mightyreds** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:05 am

Hey Nugget, your the 1 that doesn't get it mate the tackles that were going in were a joke all the referee kept saying was play on & the Downs players were totally aware of this...he didn't have a clue & why a club would give someone this responsibility is beyond me all i can think of is so they can cheat!!! I mean how are you supposed to play when a referee kept changing his decision to whatever the Downs players were saying.

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:20 am

I DONT GET IT ??? YOU LOST S

K GET ON WITH IT!!!

OldRedback · Post by **OldRedback** » Tue May 15, 2007 11:32 am

Big floods (of tears) in the Ingle Farm area seemingly - let it go would you it's gone way beyond pathetic now..........

Robbo · Post by **Robbo** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:53 pm

Nugget66 care to indulge us to which club you form part of ??