Adelaide Soccer Syndrome

[Tzon]

Shoot goal

Pissant Adelaide Town.

[THE ORAKLE]

the yanks put a proposition to fifa to hold the world cup exclusively in the usa and have it every 2 years instead of 4. just one of a sheetload of daft notions they have served on fifa over the years since they realised there was money in real football. the trouble with yanks is they hate anything they didn't invent so they try to change things into something they could say they had a hand in. they can not help themselves. pathetic isn't it.

[THE ORAKLE]

sorry. I hate killing a topic. didn't mean to,honest.

[geoff9559]

Was at a U15s game ...first round this season.....parents all laughing and just quietly pointing out opposition players....like the one with the beard "he's gotta be overage, look at his beard! Ha ha ha".....all that sort of stuff. You could have heard a pin drop at the end of the game when the kid with the beard gets into his car without anyone else and drives off!!! No Ps either!!!!

[geoff9559]

Was at a U15s game ...first round this season.....parents all laughing and just quietly pointing out opposition players....like the one with the beard "he's gotta be overage, look at his beard! Ha ha ha".....all that sort of stuff. You could have heard a pin drop at the end of the game when the kid with the beard gets into his car without anyone else and drives off!!! No Ps either!!!!

[THE ORAKLE]

shouldn't moderators give explanations when they delete a post. even a private message would do.

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[Urusei Yatsura]

So why was Pinky & The Killers banned? He never made any offensive or malice comments.

[Tzon]

Shoot goal

Iike I said it was conceived to be a novelty circus by a large section of the 50,000 attendance given the media.
The true state of our true Adelaide soccer crowd was the recent Socceroo important match which we got approx 30,000 at the AO.

I believe the largest footy crowd in SA was the 1976 grand final at West Lakes between Port and Sturt.
And the largest AO crowd was a Bradman Cricket Test match?

The AO is not big enough for a future important say footy match in the Calibre of Showdowns.

[sin²x + cos²x = 1]

China has a population of 1.3 billion people.
1.3 billion !
That means even if you’re a one in a million kind of guy, there are still a thirteen hundred others exactly like you.

You're not so special john. Give it a rest.

[Tzon]

China has a population of 1.3 billion people.
1.3 billion !
That means even if you’re a one in a million kind of guy, there are still a thirteen hundred others exactly like you.

You're not so special john. Give it a rest.

Shoot goal

Leave hitting me alone that is a weakness you are showing lets get back to the soccer debate .
Correct I am not special but I keep on keeping on , on FN over 15 years under my real name not an alias .

Next ?

[Tzon]

Shoot goal

It does not matter how you try to ratify the final series but it is worthless .
Waste of time.
Low prize money.
The League is worth more but still not in prize money levels.

[Sacred Noodle]

Shoot goal

It does not matter how you try to ratify the final series but it is worthless .
Waste of time.
Low prize money.
The League is worth more but still not in prize money levels.

If more people went to and paid to watch a game there may be more money in the clubs and FFSAs coffers to increase prize money ...... yes am referring to you JD ..

[Tzon]

Shoot goal

It does not matter how you try to ratify the final series but it is worthless .
Waste of time.
Low prize money.
The League is worth more but still not in prize money levels.

If more people went to and paid to watch a game there may be more money in the clubs and FFSAs coffers to increase prize money ...... yes am referring to you JD ..

Shoot goal

SASF/FFSA promised more prize money via no more ethnic names and increased sponsorship?????

[BeNatural]

JD you still don't get it. Ethnic are allowed under the National Club Identity Policy if clubs meet that criteria.

That's why west Adelaide are officially called west Adelaide Hellas.

[Tzon]

JD you still don't get it. Ethnic are allowed under the National Club Identity Policy if clubs meet that criteria.

That's why west Adelaide are officially called west Adelaide Hellas.

Shoot goal

I am not talking about what wah2 are doing or have done but the stupid policies SASF/FFSA have forced upon the leagues over the years.

Eg:
-Non ethnic names by SASF in early 1990's.
-Promise of increased sponsorship into the NPL.

Other points:
-we had 4 Divisions in the good old days of ten teams each.
-JPL the highest fees ever charged by many clubs (forced to).
-highest fees ever for many grounds to use by clubs.
-lowest prize money ever.
-lowest crowds ever.

[Retro Metro]

JD you still don't get it. Ethnic are allowed under the National Club Identity Policy if clubs meet that criteria.

That's why west Adelaide are officially called west Adelaide Hellas.

Shoot goal

I am not talking about what wah2 are doing or have done but the stupid policies SASF/FFSA have forced upon the leagues over the years.

Eg:
-Non ethnic names by SASF in early 1990's.
-Promise of increased sponsorship into the NPL.

Other points:
-we had 4 Divisions in the good old days of ten teams each.
-JPL the highest fees ever charged by many clubs (forced to).
-highest fees ever for many grounds to use by clubs.
-lowest prize money ever.
-lowest crowds ever.

Agree with all of the above JD 100%...

The last heading is the most topical lowest crowds ever because that is a self-funding metaphor.

As an observation over many years, generally success can bring new punters but too few to really make a difference, that said success can be developed in other ways such as your clubs modelling. This observation has brought me to the relationship between junior clubs and senior clubs in some cases an “us v them” in revenue or ground facilities (thinking this has been brought upon via exorbitant junior fees where the clubs only have some control over registrations via the FFA). Just think now female football is in the fray this could be either an opportunity or a threat however if done well committees could have value added support with more volunteers and officials notwithstanding the obvious with new players and supporters. Clubs may have to re think is the reserve games more important than the future of woman befoe the senior game. "Its just an observation Football News readers"

As said it is all about your clubs modelling and your internal governance and to recognise the old ways of the senior men’s team being the jewel in the crown is a fait acompli. There is no one more old school than me, loved the old ways the old heritage, but the world is changing and we need to recognise this. If you don’t you will be one of those fourth division sides JD talks about, not as a new entrant but asking as a long standing FFSA Clubs “what did we do wrong”. The competitions are just as important off the ground as on the ground regarding funding, territory and your clubs general business as a good corporate citizen. Families councils state and federal governments want to buy-in on that and longer term if clubs don’t think this way then they are doomed. You may not see it now but you will over time.

I think the obvious issue regarding attendance is that Soccer/Football communities have either never or lost touch with their community or never had it in the first place, and this is an underlying factor that is a basic fundamental no different to the corner store.

• Build relationships with local primary high schools
• SAPol
• Be part of local community events
• Have free open days (game days) schools
• Offer utilisation of assets, infrastructure for other functions during the week
• Junior clubs locally have an affiliation, not just football
• Validate to sponsors your governance rather than an expectation of a company hand out
• It is all of this plus more


Too many sit on their hands or are unable to attract people to support or invest in the local community engagements as a stakeholder for the clubs. This is the responsibility of clubs pushing the barrow on this modelling. The FFA should be developing strategy in supporting clubs on this aspect with policy/training and funding then it’s up to the clubs. All we are getting currently is just a website on league tables, ethics and their own governance. Unless this is championed by the FFA we will never know....

Yes it will take years of hard work but until this is recognised sponsorship will be low your supporter base will be stagnant.

[limozeen]

JD you still don't get it. Ethnic are allowed under the National Club Identity Policy if clubs meet that criteria.

That's why west Adelaide are officially called west Adelaide Hellas.

Shoot goal

I am not talking about what wah2 are doing or have done but the stupid policies SASF/FFSA have forced upon the leagues over the years.

Eg:
-Non ethnic names by SASF in early 1990's.
-Promise of increased sponsorship into the NPL.

Other points:
-we had 4 Divisions in the good old days of ten teams each.
-JPL the highest fees ever charged by many clubs (forced to).
-highest fees ever for many grounds to use by clubs.
-lowest prize money ever.
-lowest crowds ever.

Agree with all of the above JD 100%...

The last heading is the most topical lowest crowds ever because that is a self-funding metaphor.

As an observation over many years, generally success can bring new punters but too few to really make a difference, that said success can be developed in other ways such as your clubs modelling. This observation has brought me to the relationship between junior clubs and senior clubs in some cases an “us v them” in revenue or ground facilities (thinking this has been brought upon via exorbitant junior fees where the clubs only have some control over registrations via the FFA). Just think now female football is in the fray this could be either an opportunity or a threat however if done well committees could have value added support with more volunteers and officials notwithstanding the obvious with new players and supporters.

As said it is all about your clubs modelling and your internal governance and to recognise the old ways of the senior men’s team being the jewel in the crown is a fait acompli. There is no one more old school than me, loved the old ways the old heritage, but the world is changing and we need to recognise this. If you don’t you will be one of those fourth division sides JD talks about, not as a new entrant but asking as a long standing FFSA Clubs “what did we do wrong”. The competitions are just as important off the ground as on the ground regarding funding, territory and your clubs general business as a good corporate citizen. Families councils state and federal governments want to buy-in on that and longer term if clubs don’t think this way the they are doomed. You may not see it now but you will over time.

I think the obvious issue regarding attendance is that Soccer/Football communities have either never or lost touch with their community, and this is an underlying factor that is a basic fundamental no different to the corner store.

• Build relationships with local primary high schools
• SAPol
• Be part of local community events
• Have free open days (game days) schools
• Offer utilisation of assets, infrastructure for other functions during the week
• Junior clubs locally have an affiliation, not just football
• Validate to sponsors your governance rather than an expectation of a company hand out
• It is all of this plus more


Too many sit on their hands or are unable to attract people to support or invest in the local community engagements as a stakeholder for the clubs. This is the responsibility of clubs pushing the barrow on this modelling. The FFA should be developing strategy in supporting clubs on this aspect with policy/training and funding then it’s up to the clubs. All we are getting currently is just a website on league tables, ethics and their own governance. Unless this is championed by the FFA we will never know....

Yes it will take years of hard work but until this is recognised sponsorship will be low your supporter base with we stagnant.

I think some clubs just assumed that the next generations of their community...Greek, Italian, Croatian etc would keep following the sport and the club and that would be all it takes to stay viable. Unfortunately in many cases the next generations haven't had the same passion for the club or the sport or both.

They need to engage beyond the ethnic microcosm that no longer serves their needs. Engage with the local community. For example, Raiders have a mega school complex so close to them that you could kick a ball into their grounds. Why not engage with them, offer free tix to students who attend with a paying adult, or just let them in for free and get some extra cash at the café and who knows...maybe they'll come back to watch another game.

As much as AU get slammed for not engaging the community, some local clubs are doing (or not doing) exactly the same thing.

[Bomber]

AU are a "professional" club whereas NPL clubs are run by volunteers. Until people realise this and that the majority of volunteers these days work full time, then the penny might drop.
People I know involved with all NPL clubs do their best to make things work best as possible with resources at hand.
Truth be told, these days people in canteen, those that do cleaning, do the gate etc are compensated, purely as few do these things for free any more.
Give us time, resources and hell yeah, we'll go out to schools and engage more in the community but when you have whingers like JD saying fees are too high when sponsors are already doing their best to fill in the gaps, all that is created is more division.
FFSA probably do have too many expenses and probably "over administer" and as such could probably pull back on costs to clubs, and thus freeing up more sponsorship/prize money to go to clubs so maybe the problem is beyond such a simplistic thing as "clubs should do more".
Get a grip.

[limozeen]

AU are a "professional" club whereas NPL clubs are run by volunteers. Until people realise this and that the majority of volunteers these days work full time, then the penny might drop.
People I know involved with all NPL clubs do their best to make things work best as possible with resources at hand.
Truth be told, these days people in canteen, those that do cleaning, do the gate etc are compensated, purely as few do these things for free any more.
Give us time, resources and hell yeah, we'll go out to schools and engage more in the community but when you have whingers like JD saying fees are too high and sponsors already doing their best to fill in the gaps, all that is created is more division.
FFSA probably do have too many expenses and probably "over administer" and as such could probably pull back on costs to clubs, and thus freeing up more sponsorship/prize money to go to clubs so maybe the problem is beyond such a simplistic thing as "clubs should do more".
Get a grip.

I am a volunteer at a club. I get your point entirely. At the same time though in some cases it comes down to what time is spent on. Shooting off a few emails to places doesn't take that long. Sometimes, in my opinion and experience, it's more about ensuring you know the skill set of your volunteers and giving them some empowerment to do some things that suit their skill set and passion.

The only other thing I'll say Bomber is simply that if you need more people through the turnstiles, doing nothing wont fix it. Yes clubs are time, money and resource poor, but so what, who's gonna fix that for you. The answer is no one. you can talk about the constraints till the cows come home, it's solutions that need to be discussed not the problems.

[Lucas Leiva]

FFSA probably do have too many expenses and probably "over administer" and as such could probably pull back on costs to clubs, and thus freeing up more sponsorship/prize money to go to clubs so maybe the problem is beyond such a simplistic thing as "clubs should do more".
Get a grip.

That's an interesting point, one I don't necessarily disagree or agree with, because it creates a catch-22 scenario.

If you reduce FFSA administration and initiative and return funds to clubs (of which would mainly be through prize money), would this lead to greater responsibility, engagement and administration by the clubs or greater paycheques to the players to ensure they keep receiving prize money?

I think a lot of clubs jump at the chance to secure resources from local schools but don't in turn engage with those schools to create partnerships that go beyond this. How many schools have soccer programs these days that could be partnered with a club that would in turn lead to full-time employment for some people that would keep them engaged across a club and a school.

I for one think the FFSA right now do a good job with the resources at hand, and most people who complain about what they do don't really understand the complexity of the sport and it's administration across all levels, the state and it's national responsibilities.

[Brian the Postman]

FFSA probably do have too many expenses and probably "over administer" and as such could probably pull back on costs to clubs, and thus freeing up more sponsorship/prize money to go to clubs so maybe the problem is beyond such a simplistic thing as "clubs should do more".
Get a grip.

That's an interesting point, one I don't necessarily disagree or agree with, because it creates a catch-22 scenario.

If you reduce FFSA administration and initiative and return funds to clubs (of which would mainly be through prize money), would this lead to greater responsibility, engagement and administration by the clubs or greater paycheques to the players to ensure they keep receiving prize money?

I think a lot of clubs jump at the chance to secure resources from local schools but don't in turn engage with those schools to create partnerships that go beyond this. How many schools have soccer programs these days that could be partnered with a club that would in turn lead to full-time employment for some people that would keep them engaged across a club and a school.

I for one think the FFSA right now do a good job with the resources at hand, and most people who complain about what they do don't really understand the complexity of the sport and it's administration across all levels, the state and it's national responsibilities.

Agreed.

[Bomber]

AU are a "professional" club whereas NPL clubs are run by volunteers. Until people realise this and that the majority of volunteers these days work full time, then the penny might drop.
People I know involved with all NPL clubs do their best to make things work best as possible with resources at hand.
Truth be told, these days people in canteen, those that do cleaning, do the gate etc are compensated, purely as few do these things for free any more.
Give us time, resources and hell yeah, we'll go out to schools and engage more in the community but when you have whingers like JD saying fees are too high and sponsors already doing their best to fill in the gaps, all that is created is more division.
FFSA probably do have too many expenses and probably "over administer" and as such could probably pull back on costs to clubs, and thus freeing up more sponsorship/prize money to go to clubs so maybe the problem is beyond such a simplistic thing as "clubs should do more".
Get a grip.

I am a volunteer at a club. I get your point entirely. At the same time though in some cases it comes down to what time is spent on. Shooting off a few emails to places doesn't take that long. Sometimes, in my opinion and experience, it's more about ensuring you know the skill set of your volunteers and giving them some empowerment to do some things that suit their skill set and passion.

The only other thing I'll say Bomber is simply that if you need more people through the turnstiles, doing nothing wont fix it. Yes clubs are time, money and resource poor, but so what, who's gonna fix that for you. The answer is no one. you can talk about the constraints till the cows come home, it's solutions that need to be discussed not the problems.

Shooting off a few emails is exactly what we do - a lot of! Add to that updating websites, facebook pages. You can "flog" your club, keep them up to date about anything and everything - it guarantees nothing other than a few being kept in the loop about what's happening around the place.
End of the day, kids are free and many come to our games, home and away. These days funnily enough its more the local community kids that come, so that box is ticked.
We are working hard to become a "modern" club and believe or not are very likely to be moving to a new complex at Regency Park soon, but unlike other clubs, we aren't putting the cart before the horse until we are 100% sure this will go ahead as there are still a couple hurdles to overcome. This will see our junior to senior set up being more compatible.
I just shake my head when a few come on here and point fingers, have few answers themselves or suggest a dead-horse that has been flogged before.
I'm all for changes and ways to move forward, but so far the suggestions have been meek at best. Like most things in life, its all about attitudes, which we are always working on, or cold hard cash - when you find a money tree let me know where I can get some seeds.

[Old Master]

Quote from Metro Retro:

I think the obvious issue regarding attendance is that Soccer/Football communities have either never or lost touch with their community or never had it in the first place, and this is an underlying factor that is a basic fundamental no different to the corner store.

• Build relationships with local primary high schools
• SAPol
• Be part of local community events
• Have free open days (game days) schools
• Offer utilisation of assets, infrastructure for other functions during the week
• Junior clubs locally have an affiliation, not just football
• Validate to sponsors your governance rather than an expectation of a company hand out
• It is all of this plus more


Too many sit on their hands or are unable to attract people to support or invest in the local community engagements as a stakeholder for the clubs. This is the responsibility of clubs pushing the barrow on this modelling. The FFA should be developing strategy in supporting clubs on this aspect with policy/training and funding then it’s up to the clubs. All we are getting currently is just a website on league tables, ethics and their own governance. Unless this is championed by the FFA we will never know....

Yes it will take years of hard work but until this is recognised sponsorship will be low your supporter base will be stagnant.


This is exactly what I have been saying in this Forum for many years and all I have got in return is abuse, so good luck with it, I hope you fare better than me.OM

[limozeen]

AU are a "professional" club whereas NPL clubs are run by volunteers. Until people realise this and that the majority of volunteers these days work full time, then the penny might drop.
People I know involved with all NPL clubs do their best to make things work best as possible with resources at hand.
Truth be told, these days people in canteen, those that do cleaning, do the gate etc are compensated, purely as few do these things for free any more.
Give us time, resources and hell yeah, we'll go out to schools and engage more in the community but when you have whingers like JD saying fees are too high and sponsors already doing their best to fill in the gaps, all that is created is more division.
FFSA probably do have too many expenses and probably "over administer" and as such could probably pull back on costs to clubs, and thus freeing up more sponsorship/prize money to go to clubs so maybe the problem is beyond such a simplistic thing as "clubs should do more".
Get a grip.

I am a volunteer at a club. I get your point entirely. At the same time though in some cases it comes down to what time is spent on. Shooting off a few emails to places doesn't take that long. Sometimes, in my opinion and experience, it's more about ensuring you know the skill set of your volunteers and giving them some empowerment to do some things that suit their skill set and passion.

The only other thing I'll say Bomber is simply that if you need more people through the turnstiles, doing nothing wont fix it. Yes clubs are time, money and resource poor, but so what, who's gonna fix that for you. The answer is no one. you can talk about the constraints till the cows come home, it's solutions that need to be discussed not the problems.

Shooting off a few emails is exactly what we do - a lot of! Add to that updating websites, facebook pages. You can "flog" your club, keep them up to date about anything and everything - it guarantees nothing other than a few being kept in the loop about what's happening around the place.
End of the day, kids are free and many come to our games, home and away. These days funnily enough its more the local community kids that come, so that box is ticked.
We are working hard to become a "modern" club and believe or not are very likely to be moving to a new complex at Regency Park soon, but unlike other clubs, we aren't putting the cart before the horse until we are 100% sure this will go ahead as there are still a couple hurdles to overcome. This will see our junior to senior set up being more compatible.
I just shake my head when a few come on here and point fingers, have few answers themselves or suggest a dead-horse that has been flogged before.
I'm all for changes and ways to move forward, but so far the suggestions have been meek at best. Like most things in life, its all about attitudes, which we are always working on, or cold hard cash - when you find a money tree let me know where I can get some seeds.

Cool. You guys are doing what you can then. Every club is different...has a different set of circumstances, a different set of challenges. So long as people are doing what they can then good job. What needs to be avoided is an inner sanctum of people who believe they know it all and refuse to embrace new ideas from people who are willing and passionate but totally ignored.

[churchill]

Cool. You guys are doing what you can then. Every club is different...has a different set of circumstances, a different set of challenges. So long as people are doing what they can then good job. What needs to be avoided is an inner sanctum of people who believe they know it all and refuse to embrace new ideas from people who are willing and passionate but totally ignored.[/quote]


Unfortunately that's how most clubs are run in Adelaide which explains why there is no public support for these clubs.................................

[Bomber]

Understood, limo. We now have a women's team and amateur team, have 3 women on the board of and are looking to get better/best quality junior coaching moving forward on top of everything else.
Our senior coach has done amazing things by promoting youth from within and all the foundations are there as I'm sure they are with most other clubs.
Getting people through the turnstiles is really not a measure of success - well, not these days anyway.
Look at Metro - small supporter base but plenty success on the pitch - kudos to them, whilst "bigger supporter" clubs such as White City and Raiders - both in div 2.
The other issue is what each club's goals actually are. Some want to be a part of a Div 2 A-League, others just happy to have involvement with local football and keeping kids off the street.
Personally, I just hope at Croydon we just keep going as we are and just improving as a club overall - having a decent senior team but developing youth at the same time, but also having a great social atmosphere. We're going ok at the moment but the key will be when the next generation are ready to take over the reins. Some are already ear-marked and the outlook is good, so until then, all the best with every club as without clubs and their prosperity, we don't have a decent competition.

[Retro Metro]

Quote from Metro Retro:

I think the obvious issue regarding attendance is that Soccer/Football communities have either never or lost touch with their community or never had it in the first place, and this is an underlying factor that is a basic fundamental no different to the corner store.

• Build relationships with local primary high schools
• SAPol
• Be part of local community events
• Have free open days (game days) schools
• Offer utilisation of assets, infrastructure for other functions during the week
• Junior clubs locally have an affiliation, not just football
• Validate to sponsors your governance rather than an expectation of a company hand out
• It is all of this plus more


Too many sit on their hands or are unable to attract people to support or invest in the local community engagements as a stakeholder for the clubs. This is the responsibility of clubs pushing the barrow on this modelling. The FFA should be developing strategy in supporting clubs on this aspect with policy/training and funding then it’s up to the clubs. All we are getting currently is just a website on league tables, ethics and their own governance. Unless this is championed by the FFA we will never know....

Yes it will take years of hard work but until this is recognised sponsorship will be low your supporter base will be stagnant.


This is exactly what I have been saying in this Forum for many years and all I have got in return is abuse, so good luck with it, I hope you fare better than me.OM

Yes totally got what you have been saying Old Master but don’t want to sound like a gramophone record. All I can say is for 15 years clubs have been going round in circles clubs without rudders and blame totally lays on the FFA and the lack of maturity and progress in planning and future growth. For example where did my two kids money go over the years (some $13,000-$15,000 in registration fees) but that is another story.

As said the FFA is responsible to support, educate, embrace clubs in business principals and models understanding the local demographic supporting implementation in a multicultural way where social inclusion can be understood by clubs in a formal way. No offence to clubs they are doing the best they can without the rudder. .


Even Bomber is on the right track down at South Rd after reading his comments, people won’t believe it but I will, I can see some of his vision. His club is like most and unfortunately a far cry from the Polonia days of old when 1950-1980 migrants were in abundance at most clubs. In that era money was good, many people worked behind the scenes. Even in the day there was a mini Miss Soccer e.g. Miss Azzurri Miss Polonia Miss Enfield Victoria (today they put the boots on). Sure those days are gone by the wayside and I often reminisce of the old firm clubs of old. It further bemuses me that the FFA is not willing to recognise heritage/ethnic backgrounds of football clubs today and find it ridiculous that it still stands firm today in an Australia far different to the old. If the FFA tried to delete a heritage/ethnic name today it would be a form of discrimination, and would be tested in the high court of Australia, no different to Bonnie Doon or Marbo

I accepted the change of club names in the 1980/90’s the concept at the time, it served a purpose then, but not now. The game has grown, more so have people grown from World Cups and Asian Cups and A-Leagues, so the job is done now and bring back ethnicity for clubs that want to hold it. In 2017 I can’t count the amount may European names playing AFL, NRL all you need to do is look at a footy budget clealry 25%-30% have names from all over the world, so the fear is gone. Most would not know these names where perhaps only a Grenville Dietrich and Alex Jesaulenko were a chosen few names seen within AFL and a few other wogs as Jonny Warren would say.

We can have a mature conversation today on this subject of football ethnicity than we ever could even one generation ago. As said previously I am sure most understood the reasoning of the loss of names such as Polonia, Azzurri ,Juventus, Beograd, Croatia, Hellas just too name a few. If they have a need to have their names back, why can’t they.

I believe it is time to say to clubs hold and embrace your ethnicity heritage and culture if they have a desire too, as it is part of the fabric of Australia. The world is much smaller now there is less fear in multiculturalism, besides Australians are in abundance overseas like never before being more educated and tolerant to a world where in my day the only media was four channels of TV and newspaper with 2 day old international news.

I guess getting back to my original thread, its all clubs need to define what works for them.

[Bomber]

The AFL have indigenous rounds, rivalry rounds etc etc, why couldn't the FFSA have an "origination round" (or something similar) where all teams on that day will be referred to as their inauguration name, eg Polonia, Azzurri, Juventus, Croatia etc etc.
Small thing, but its something. Hell, we might even wear an all red strip for that day, heaven forbid! :wink:

[Tzon]

Shoot goal

New groups trying to take over old clubs????

[Tzon]

The AFL have indigenous rounds, rivalry rounds etc etc, why couldn't the FFSA have an "origination round" (or something similar) where all teams on that day will be referred to as their inauguration name, eg Polonia, Azzurri, Juventus, Croatia etc etc.
Small thing, but its something. Hell, we might even wear an all red strip for that day, heaven forbid! :wink:

Shoot goal
I suggested that ages ago.