FFSA v SAASL: Where to from here?

[Kitchimo]

Sounds like handbags to me.

Proud volunteers couldn't handle the oversight (not involvement, just oversight?) of their accounts/operations by a paid business professional from the organisation that they now (in some part) represent.

[KING NUGGETT]

Sounds like handbags to me.

Proud volunteers couldn't handle the oversight (not involvement, just oversight?) of their accounts/operations by a paid business professional from the organisation that they now (in some part) represent.

What a joke you think those paid business professionals are better than our proud volunteers,
why has the FFSA gone backwards since it was formed & the SAASL forwards???
I've met & spoken to a number of people on the FFSA Board & the problem is that their not Football people there lawyers ceo's & high flyers with no understanding of the Game they are running...

Give me our Proud Volunteers with a understanding of the game & runs on the board any day!!!

[Kitchimo]

What harm is there in having your books checked one more time?

[KING NUGGETT]

What harm is there in having your books checked one more time?

Are you FK'n serious Kitch???

Would you get your books checked by people who haven't got their books in order?
I certainly wouldn't, it would be like getting financial advice from a bankrupt financial planner...
In my eye's it should be the other way around...

[gl1968]

last year we tried to orgnaise an under16 trial game twice with an E & D team we were flatly refused as they (FFSA) were concerned regarding the insurance issues that the E & D don't have any. this is

[gl1968]

Yes. So state the issue as it is. A compulsory national development fee/levy. Nothing to do with autonomy or control of money.

you obviously weren't at the AGM a couple of years ago when Gary Collis, former chair of FFSA stated that the saasl were ready to sign an agreement for the amatuer clubs to vote on. this included paying the national levy, the insurance and falling in line with competition rules sponsors etc. the FFSA was to commit to allowing the autonomy of the SAASL to providing additional referees. the league was ready to put this to the clubs to vote.

It was Mr Carter who changed the agreement. He added on top of the terms the state development levy and could not gurantee more refs....and wanted to have an overseeing role on saasl daily operations/accounts. changed the rules at the last minute.

Don't forget it was the Clubs, who have a vote, that decided to stay as is. Do the FFSA clubs have a say on anything?[/quote]

in regards to clubs voting i was told last year by a club president that the clubs have only 1 - 2 votes collectively they do not vote as indivdual clubs and i mapretty certain that the futsal assocation has the same number of votes as the clubs do

it is not worth blaming the clubs for knocking back anything as their vote is minimal, the clubs are trying to change this and have more of a say in how the competition is run.

[brutus01]

gl1968 wrote...."it is not worth blaming the clubs for knocking back anything as their vote is minimal, the clubs are trying to change this and have more of a say in how the competition is run."


Sorry gl1968, you misunderstood.... the saasl are 1 club, 1 vote. the FFSA clubs have minimal voting rights.
the saasl clubs did the right thing - they agreed with the saasl committe and chose not to accept by voting as per their constitution rights. the ffsa clubs don't have this privelege.

[brutus01]

What harm is there in having your books checked one more time?

kitchimo...the saasl books are audited every year and the clubs are presented with the statement of accounts every AGM as per the constitution. Why does someone need to see the day to day operations. The Clubs have the constitutional right to check the books at any time.

The ffsa clubs have no constitutional vote, the dont control their destiny, they are still waiting for the 2010 accounts, and have not had an AGM....my understanding, but willing to be corrected.

[Kitchimo]

Of course they are, I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I didn't spell it out originally (thought I did). Don't take this as any personal attack. The guys down there do a great job, work very hard for little reward, and are always accomodating to any request I make or happy to assist others at my club with requests they make.

What I was saying is that if it boiled down to Carter wanting an 'oversight' role of the books/operations, what harm is there in him 'having a look' if they've already been professionally looked after? Because surely that makes sense if the idea was for the SAASL to affiliate with the FFSA, there are obviously risk management factors that the FFSA must take into consideration relating to one of their affiliated bodies.

[goal!!!]

What a joke you think those paid business professionals are better than our proud volunteers,

Uhm... not a fan of either but isnt it the volunteers and clubs that screwed the whole thing up and the reason why ffa jumped with the crawford report showing volunteers only had their interests at heart?

why has the FFSA gone backwards since it was formed & the SAASL forwards???
Again, in money terms or in sport terms ?

I've met & spoken to a number of people on the FFSA Board & the problem is that their not Football people there lawyers ceo's & high flyers with no understanding of the Game they are running... - really wow, do you actually know who they are and where their background is , because thats a very DUMB arse statement and completely non factual. you just lost any respect.

[swannsong]

I've met & spoken to a number of people on the FFSA Board & the problem is that their not Football people there lawyers ceo's & high flyers with no understanding of the Game they are running... - really wow, do you actually know who they are and where their background is , because thats a very DUMB muscat statement and completely non factual. you just lost any respect.

goal..You seem to be "in the know"...If so can you illuminate to those interested on here the Directors backgrounds re interest/involvement with Football ?

The current Directors of the Board of FFSA are:

President Mr Rauf Soulio,
Judge of the District Court of South Australia
Judge Soulio is the current Chair of the Migrant Resource Centre of South Australia. Between 2003 and 2008, he was Honorary Consul-General for Albania in Australia. In 1999, he coordinated Human Rights Committee interviews and reports in relation to refugees from the Balkans.

Vice President Mr Morry Bailes,
Morry holds a Bachelor of Laws from the University of Adelaide and was admitted to practice in 1987, having earlier that same year commenced employment at Tindall Gask Bentley as a final-year law student. Following his admission he commenced working in the field of workers’ compensation law, and later in criminal law and later, industrial and employment law, including practice in disciplinary tribunals, civil litigation and associations law. For the last 10 years, Morry has been the Managing Partner of Tindall Gask Bentley which has grown significantly in that time.
Morry has been an active member of the Society since joining in January 1988. He has been a member of Council since 2009 and was elected Treasurer in 2010. He has also been a member of the LawAsia Committee since 2003 and is currently a member of the Audit and Risk Management Committee of the Society.

Dr Bev O'Brien, PhD in Sociology, Officer of Consumer Business Affairs ????
Mr Ted Iuliano, Magistrate
Mr Dave Hewitson, ?????
Mr Claude Galloni Managing Director Tindall Gask Bentley (Law Firm)
Mr Oleh Bilyk. Financial Planner

Chief Executive Officer - Michael Carter
Club & Competition Manager - Wendy Carter
Senior Men's Football Co-ordinator / Media Liaison - James Balacco
Junior Competitions Coordinator - David Burton
Women's Competitions Coordinator/Admin Assistant - Tracey Dycer
Competitions Administration Assistant - Marisa De Ceglie
Sponsorship & Facilities Manager - William Ventura

Referee Development Officer – TBA
Referee Operations Coordinator – Stephen Toth
Finance Manager – Leah Mercuri
Finance Officer – Natalie Russell
Office Receptionist / Events Administrator – Caitlin Psaila

[Wraith]

The FFA Cup starts March 2012 and will include all clubs under FFA. Would be good to see this issue sorted by then so the SAASL clubs can be involved. Highly unlikely however.

[KING NUGGETT]

really wow, do you actually know who they are and where their background is , because thats a very DUMB muscat statement and completely non factual. you just lost any respect.

Listen stupid...
I do know & have spoken to 4 FFSA Board Members about Football, have asked them all if they have played the Game all 4 said NO. I have been on the administration side of my Club for 10 years. I have dealt with the SAASL & all it's Management Committee , I believe the difference is they have a true understanding & love for the game. The same can not be said for the FFSA Board Members I have met. They are professional Board Members & Profits are there agenda.
And they can't even get that right, my arguement is backed up with facts your is with bull$hit...

[The Kop]

Too many lawyers/judges on the board - that's the problem.

[goal!!!]

maybe im ill informed but here goes, most have some or a lot of experience in football over the years, some have been very involved with running clubs and football as VOLUNTEERS ! I'm trying to point out there is some good years of football knowledge on the board.

President Mr Rauf Soulio, - has had experience in football in younger years
Vice President Mr Morry Bailes, - ? unsure
Dr Bev O'Brien, PhD in Sociology, Officer of Consumer Business Affairs - speaks for itself
Mr Ted Iuliano, Magistrate - long time football experience
Mr Dave Hewitson, -long time football experience, referee, coaching , playing and club and competitions
Mr Claude Galloni Managing Director Tindall Gask Bentley (Law Firm) - football experience
Mr Oleh Bilyk. Financial Planner -football experience


however whether they can do the job or not is beside the point, its the fact they arent stupid and have experience in many areas of life and business, if you understand business you will know a good mix is important for good decisions. Not decisions that only look after club xxxxxx or club yyyyyyy hence the crawford report findings. no more from me

[Caretaker Coach]

If you are asking me to choose between Academic experience vs Practical experience, I would always choose the latter.

You have one group who love to delegate other people to do the work,whereas the other group know how things operate and are doing it along, with the people they delegate.

[KING NUGGETT]

President Mr Rauf Soulio, - has had experience in football in younger years
Vice President Mr Morry Bailes, - ? unsure
Dr Bev O'Brien, PhD in Sociology, Officer of Consumer Business Affairs - speaks for itself
Mr Ted Iuliano, Magistrate - long time football experience
Mr Dave Hewitson, -long time football experience, referee, coaching , playing and club and competitions
Mr Claude Galloni Managing Director Tindall Gask Bentley (Law Firm) - football experience
Mr Oleh Bilyk. Financial Planner -football experience

goal!!! I have spoken to these these 4 people personally & they have NO FOOTBALL experience so don't bull$hit to try & make a point....

[KING NUGGETT]

President Mr Rauf Soulio, - has had experience in football in younger years
Vice President Mr Morry Bailes, - ? unsure
Dr Bev O'Brien, PhD in Sociology, Officer of Consumer Business Affairs - speaks for itself
Mr Ted Iuliano, Magistrate - long time football experience
Mr Dave Hewitson, -long time football experience, referee, coaching , playing and club and competitions
Mr Claude Galloni Managing Director Tindall Gask Bentley (Law Firm) - football experience
Mr Oleh Bilyk. Financial Planner -football experience

goal!!! I have spoken to these these 4 people personally & they have NO FOOTBALL experience,
& they have very different Football Philosophies to most so don't bull$hit to try & make your point....

[Wraith]

Diego Maradona has loads of football experience, let's get him to run the FFSA.

Then you'd get the true meaning of 'white line fever'

[legga]

Diego Maradona has loads of football experience, let's get him to run the FFSA.

Then you'd get the true meaning of 'white line fever'

The captain of the titanic had 20yrs plus experience sailing, Nasa had 40yrs experience sending people to space (challenger) Experience counts for little if you dont have the brains or the drive to succeed

[KING NUGGETT]

Diego Maradona has loads of football experience, let's get him to run the FFSA.

Then you'd get the true meaning of 'white line fever'

The captain of the titanic had 20yrs plus experience sailing, Nasa had 40yrs experience sending people to space (challenger) Experience counts for little if you dont have the brains or the drive to succeed

Fair points, however my point is the SAASL has 45 + years experience running a very successful & financially sound competition they must have the right formula. The same cannot be said for the FFSA & previous SASF....

[Wraith]

Who will run it when Bailey & Cichanowski go?

I'd be surprised if you get many people who leave their respective clubs to join the League Management committee.

[Rob Lozza]

Who will run it when Bailey & Cichanowski go?

I'd be surprised if you get many people who leave their respective clubs to join the League Management committee.

This has been my biggest concern for quite some especially given recent passing of Rudi and Bobby - great servants to our competition and may they RIP. I assume it will be George etc.

[Aldo Serena]

I think the SAASL will have to look at paid positions over the next few years.

[KING NUGGETT]

I think the SAASL will have to look at paid positions over the next few years.

I beleive they wont have to pay anyone, people will step up to the plate

[You Too]

Is Mr. Carter the same Mr. Carter who ran baseball here in SA a few years ago?

If so, it appears he's doing the same to Football in this State that he did to Baseball.

[Rob Lozza]

I think the SAASL will have to look at paid positions over the next few years.

I beleive they wont have to pay anyone, people will step up to the plate

I hope you're right. Few have.

[Rob Lozza]

Is Mr. Carter the same Mr. Carter who ran baseball here in SA a few years ago?

If so, it appears he's doing the same to Football in this State that he did to Baseball.

Yes. Same.