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Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:54 pm
by God is an Englishman
adam wrote:I was only talking West Indian
Sober was a pretty fair batsman.
yes but behind lara , richards and richardson in that list
edit: haynes, greenidge (spelling??)
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:30 pm
by ozzie owl
While it would be great to see Warnie play again on the Test arena. He retired five years and lets remember him as the games greatest ever spin bowler. Bowling four overs in 20/20 is lot easier than blowing in test cricket.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:37 pm
by adam
God is an Englishman wrote:adam wrote:I was only talking West Indian
Sober was a pretty fair batsman.
yes but behind lara , richards and richardson in that list
edit: haynes, greenidge (spelling??)
Sobers was number 1 for me.
higher ave than Richards and Lara and more test 100s than Richards (in less tests).
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:51 pm
by God is an Englishman
adam wrote:God is an Englishman wrote:adam wrote:I was only talking West Indian
Sober was a pretty fair batsman.
yes but behind lara , richards and richardson in that list
edit: haynes, greenidge (spelling??)
Sobers was number 1 for me.
higher ave than Richards and Lara and more test 100s than Richards (in less tests).
Have to agree to disagree on that one then. To me Sobers was the best cricketer to ever play the game but not the best batsmen. If you have him as the best west indian batsmen then I'm sure you would agree with the best cricketer part.
My opinion, for the record:
Best cricketer: Sobers (Kallis)
Best Bowler (fast): Walsh (McGrath)
Best Bowler (spin): Murali (Warne)
Best Batsmen: Richards (Lara)
Best Keeper (gloveman): Russell (Dujon)
Best Fielder: Rhodes (I struggled - but my heart said Collingwood)
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:36 pm
by adam
Best cricketer: Sobers (Hadlee)
Best Bowler (fast): Ambrose (Spofforth)
Best Bowler (spin): Warne (Kumble)
Best Batsmen: Bradman (Tendulkar)
Best Keeper (gloveman): Blackham (Knott)
Best Fielder: Sobers (Lloyd)
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:38 pm
by Facts and Stats
best batsman has to be Gavaskaar......he is my favourite for one reason only...he played for a draw in a ODI!! Anyone know the game I mean???
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:07 pm
by God is an Englishman
NickyTanner wrote:best batsman has to be Gavaskaar......he is my favourite for one reason only...he played for a draw in a ODI!! Anyone know the game I mean???
I do, even know I was only a few month old. How do I prove it without giving it away though?
Sniffer and Bites yer legs loved the city. Strange protest!!
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:39 pm
by adam
NickyTanner wrote:best batsman has to be Gavaskaar......he is my favourite for one reason only...he played for a draw in a ODI!! Anyone know the game I mean???
yes and i remember Clive Lloyd beating Australia in the final.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:59 pm
by Facts and Stats
it was a superb tournament, 60 over cricket was great. Batsmen had time to build an innings, bowlers had decent spells.
I would have Viv as the best batsman I have seen live though, or watched live on TV in my lifetime.
Bowler would have to be Angus Fraser, ridiculously under rated.
Fielder, probably Rhodes but Randall was something else too, in the days of fielders being statues most the time he was simply superb.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:01 pm
by adam
NickyTanner wrote:it was a superb tournament, 60 over cricket was great. Batsmen had time to build an innings, bowlers had decent spells.
I would have Viv as the best batsman I have seen live though, or watched live on TV in my lifetime.
Bowler would have to be Angus Fraser, ridiculously under rated.
Fielder, probably Rhodes but Randall was something else too, in the days of fielders being statues most the time he was simply superb.
Randall was superb... and what a character
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:57 am
by Bomber
Best all rounder: Sobers
Best Bowler (fast): Lillee
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Bradman
Best Keeper (gloveman): Knott
Best Fielder: Rhodes
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:04 pm
by adam
AUSTRALIAN Cricket captain Michael Clarke hasn't ruled out a Shane Warne return to the Test team for next year's Ashes in England.
Indeed, he is so serious about the possibility that he has spoken to Cricket Australia about it on several occasions.
Earlier this week, Shane Warne tweeted that he would come out of retirement if Clarke asked him to. Warne later clarified his position, saying he meant that he "could" play, not "would" play, and that the scenario was just hypothetical.
But last night, speaking to finance guru Anthony Bell in a Q and A at the annual 'Sail With the Stars' fundraiser for The Loyal Foundation in Sydney, Clarke appeared to suggest a Warne Ashes comeback was more than just a hypothetical chance.
Joking that 'there are no media in the room' the always amiable Clarke spoke passionately about his admiration for the 43-year-old former Test spinner.
"Warnie is looking great and he is the fittest I have ever seen him," said Clarke.
"From the day he retired I've been trying to get him back in the team. I've asked him to come out of retirement a number of times.
"But there is a process that comes with coming out of retirement and he wouldn't be able to come out of retirement and walk straight back into the Australian team. He'd have to go and play some state games for Victoria.
"I've had the conversation with the Cricket Australia CEO a number of times over the past five years and the plan hasn't changed.
"I think he would be unbelievable if he decided to come out and play. And what an amazing mentor he would be for the team.'
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:30 pm
by Ernie Cooksey
In my opinion only, based purely on what I have seen (bear in mind I arrived in Oz as a 12 year old and had Australian cricket rammed down my throat!)
Best all rounder: Botham/Flintoff
Best Bowler (fast): McGrath
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Sachin
Best Keeper (gloveman): Healy
Best Fielder: Rhodes
Captain: Steve Waugh
Hardest Bastard: Steve Waugh
Favourite player: Steve Waugh
*prone to alterations should somebody suggest a player I've overlooked.
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Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:55 pm
by God is an Englishman
Blueblood wrote:In my opinion only, based purely on what I have seen (bear in mind I arrived in Oz as a 12 year old and had Australian cricket rammed down my throat!)
Best all rounder: Botham/Flintoff
Best Bowler (fast): McGrath
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Sachin
Best Keeper (gloveman): Healy
Best Fielder: Rhodes
Captain: Steve Waugh
Hardest sherry: Steve Waugh
Favourite player: Steve Waugh
*prone to alterations should somebody suggest a player I've overlooked.
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using the time frame you have stated, as much as I love them both Kallis is better than freddy and beefy.
Boucher instead of healey
I think there's an argument for the rest of your people
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:00 pm
by Ernie Cooksey
God is an Englishman wrote:Blueblood wrote:In my opinion only, based purely on what I have seen (bear in mind I arrived in Oz as a 12 year old and had Australian cricket rammed down my throat!)
Best all rounder: Botham/Flintoff
Best Bowler (fast): McGrath
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Sachin
Best Keeper (gloveman): Healy
Best Fielder: Rhodes
Captain: Steve Waugh
Hardest sherry: Steve Waugh
Favourite player: Steve Waugh
*prone to alterations should somebody suggest a player I've overlooked.
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using the time frame you have stated, as much as I love them both Kallis is better than freddy and beefy.
Boucher instead of healey
I think there's an argument for the rest of your people
I'm sure there is. That's why they're called opinions.
& I have not seen as much of SA cricket as I have Australian, which is why I mentioned what has been rammed down my throat! I know there are plenty of players (e.g. Boucher) who have been reported to be fantastic, but just as in real life, I will make my own mind up about people as opposed to listening to hearsay.
As I have discussed with you before, Steve Waugh is just a personal favourite. Hardly a shit cricketer though.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:05 pm
by God is an Englishman
Blueblood wrote:God is an Englishman wrote:Blueblood wrote:In my opinion only, based purely on what I have seen (bear in mind I arrived in Oz as a 12 year old and had Australian cricket rammed down my throat!)
Best all rounder: Botham/Flintoff
Best Bowler (fast): McGrath
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Sachin
Best Keeper (gloveman): Healy
Best Fielder: Rhodes
Captain: Steve Waugh
Hardest sherry: Steve Waugh
Favourite player: Steve Waugh
*prone to alterations should somebody suggest a player I've overlooked.
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using the time frame you have stated, as much as I love them both Kallis is better than freddy and beefy.
Boucher instead of healey
I think there's an argument for the rest of your people
I'm sure there is. That's why they're called opinions.
& I have not seen as much of SA cricket as I have Australian, which is why I mentioned what has been rammed down my throat! I know there are plenty of players (e.g. Boucher) who have been reported to be fantastic, but just as in real life, I will make my own mind up about people as opposed to listening to hearsay.
As I have discussed with you before, Steve Waugh is just a personal favourite. Hardly a cabernet cricketer though.
he wasn't bad and wouldn't argue too loudly against where you have mentioned him.
You did day it was "prone to alterations" so I made some suggestions.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:06 pm
by Ernie Cooksey
Fair enough too. I just haven't seen enough of them!!
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:21 pm
by sephiroth
born in 1982....
added a category
Best all-rounder: Kallis
Best Bowler (fast): McGrath
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Lara or Ponting
Best Keeper: (gloveman) Healy
Best Fielder: Symonds or Rhodes
Captain: Steve Waigh
Hardest Sherry: Graeme Smith
Matchwinner: Chris Cairns or Andy Flintoff
Favourite Player: Merv Hughes
Matchwinner is a guy I could consider that you throw the bat and/or ball too and they will win it for you in the pressure situations. Whilst having all the stats, Kallis is not the kind of player who took a series or single match 'by the throat'. Cairns and Flintoff were absolute geniuses in turning the game on their own.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:29 pm
by God is an Englishman
il principe wrote:born in 1982....
added a category
Best all-rounder: Kallis
Best Bowler (fast): McGrath
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Lara or Ponting
Best Keeper: (gloveman) Healy
Best Fielder: Symonds or Rhodes
Captain: Steve Waigh
Hardest Sherry: Graeme Smith
Matchwinner: Chris Cairns or Andy Flintoff
Favourite Player: Merv Hughes
Matchwinner is a guy I could consider that you throw the bat and/or ball too and they will win it for you in the pressure situations. Whilst having all the stats, Kallis is not the kind of player who took a series or single match 'by the throat'. Cairns and Flintoff were absolute geniuses in turning the game on their own.
agreed with the matchwinner.
symonds not in the same class as rhodes. Healey was good but plenty better than him.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:43 am
by Bomber
Matchwinners (ball) - Warne, Ambrose, Lillee, Hadlee
Matchwinners (bat) - Gilchrist by a country mile!
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:23 am
by Jay Walking
From what I remember as a kid to now
Best all rounder: Kallis
Best Bowler (fast): Ambrose/Walsh
Best Bowler (spin): Warne
Best Batsmen: Viv Richards/Tendulkar
Best Keeper (gloveman): Dujion
Best Fielder: Rhodes/Ponting
Captain: Steve Waugh
Favourite player: Boof (Can't beat a South Aussie
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Respect without been a super star: Alec Stewart
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:24 am
by God is an Englishman
Bomber wrote:Matchwinners (ball) - Warne, Ambrose, Lillee, Hadlee
Matchwinners (bat) - Gilchrist by a country mile!
Flintoff and Botham could be in there for both categories.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:57 am
by sephiroth
Favourite cricketing moment?
Bevan last ball win
Waugh last ball of the day century
South Africa 10 runs an over win over Oz
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:26 pm
by God is an Englishman
il principe wrote:Favourite cricketing moment?
Bevan last ball win
Waugh last ball of the day century
South Africa 10 runs an over win over Oz
England at edgbaston in 05, the win by 2 runs.
Watching aussie praying for rain in 2010 in adelaide on Day 5
2010 - Adelaide. Katich run out without facing aball, followed next ball by ponting. Followed 2 overs later by Clark. 3rd over, australia 2/3
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:03 pm
by Bomber
God is an Englishman wrote:il principe wrote:Favourite cricketing moment?
Bevan last ball win
Waugh last ball of the day century
South Africa 10 runs an over win over Oz
England at edgbaston in 05, the win by 2 runs.
Watching aussie praying for rain in 2010 in adelaide on Day 5
2010 - Adelaide. Katich run out without facing aball, followed next ball by ponting. Followed 2 overs later by Clark. 3rd over, australia 2/3
You mentioned 3 batsmen out, but it was only 2/3? I could have sworn it was 3/2.
Mine: Lillee steaming in late in the day leaving the mighty West Indies 4/10 at stumps with Viv bowled last ball of day, then maybe Warnie's ball to Gatting.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:04 pm
by adam
some random memories... sorry for a bit of list. could have listed 100 more.
David Warner - t20 debut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zp7yZmE1X4
pure hitting
1977 Centenary Test
especially Hookes vs Greig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5JDy_9UZ9I see around 3:20 mark
changed the game.
Lillee vs Viv Richards
WA vs QLD - Gillette Cup Semi Final
i remember watching this live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t51RjEpw8E0
Jeff Thomson - sandshoe crusher to Tony Greig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF14-_npFVw
David Hookes - fast 100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmsZgovASFE
David Hookes - return against Andy Roberts WSC
at Sydney Showgrounds i think
Wayne Daniel - winning six - WSC 1978
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9KYaFUZr00
Bob Massie - 16 wickets - 1972 Lords
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_mAF2-PKew
Dennis Lillee - 73 not out - Lords 1975
made light work of Lever and Snow
Ross Edwards was out for 99 in the same game.
Jeff Thomson collision with Alan Turner - Adelaide Oval
Greg Blewett - debut 100 - Adelaide Oval
Steve Waugh and Greg Blewett batting the whole day against SA
Terry Alderman getting injured at the WACA chasing a spectator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrAzhe2Tlxs
Andrew Symonds shows how it should be done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPak-o9i6NM
World's Fastest Bowler - 1979
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDW7hj1yfs
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:11 pm
by Ernie Cooksey
God is an Englishman wrote:il principe wrote:Favourite cricketing moment?
Bevan last ball win
Waugh last ball of the day century
South Africa 10 runs an over win over Oz
England at edgbaston in 05, the win by 2 runs.
Watching aussie praying for rain in 2010 in adelaide on Day 5
2010 - Adelaide. Katich run out without facing aball, followed next ball by ponting. Followed 2 overs later by Clark. 3rd over, australia 2/3
If that was in Adelaide, then it would be 3/2
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:41 pm
by God is an Englishman
Blueblood wrote:God is an Englishman wrote:il principe wrote:Favourite cricketing moment?
Bevan last ball win
Waugh last ball of the day century
South Africa 10 runs an over win over Oz
England at edgbaston in 05, the win by 2 runs.
Watching aussie praying for rain in 2010 in adelaide on Day 5
2010 - Adelaide. Katich run out without facing aball, followed next ball by ponting. Followed 2 overs later by Clark. 3rd over, australia 2/3
If that was in Adelaide, then it would be 3/2
no, 3 wickets. katich, ponting and clark. I was there 2/3, it was brilliant.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:27 am
by Bomber
Who's this Clark? I didnt think Stuart Clark played in that test but if he did, doubt he would have batted so high up the order.
Re: Shane Warne - come in spinner
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:14 am
by God is an Englishman
Bomber wrote:Who's this Clark? I didnt think Stuart Clark played in that test but if he did, doubt he would have batted so high up the order.
Normally Bacon jumps on that one, always nice to have a change of scenery.