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shaneporker wrote:Obviously East 17 has spent too much time listening to a certain boy band from the 90's while sitting on the bench studying his English grammar etc. A simple question and so many people get upset!!! For all the people who came back with their views on the subject I say a BIG THANK YOU!

EAST 17...its alright, alright everything is gonna be alright!!!!
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Do you and fuddy ever whack that tune on the duke box after a pint or two of west end draught at the Birdwood?

Bet it gets you two in the mood. :wink:
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East 17 wrote:
shaneporker wrote:Obviously East 17 has spent too much time listening to a certain boy band from the 90's while sitting on the bench studying his English grammar etc. A simple question and so many people get upset!!! For all the people who came back with their views on the subject I say a BIG THANK YOU!

EAST 17...its alright, alright everything is gonna be alright!!!!
:lol:

Do you and fuddy ever whack that tune on the duke box after a pint or two of west end draught at the Birdwood?

Bet it gets you two in the mood. :wink:
Jukebox!!! What's that? We don't have that fancy technology up in Birdwood yet! Us country bumpkins only listen to Lee Kernaghan on the ol' tape player and AM radio whilst sinking a few draught cans and then hop on the horse and cart to get home! :lol:
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Fudpucker wrote:
East 17 wrote:
shaneporker wrote:Obviously East 17 has spent too much time listening to a certain boy band from the 90's while sitting on the bench studying his English grammar etc. A simple question and so many people get upset!!! For all the people who came back with their views on the subject I say a BIG THANK YOU!

EAST 17...its alright, alright everything is gonna be alright!!!!
:lol:

Do you and fuddy ever whack that tune on the duke box after a pint or two of west end draught at the Birdwood?

Bet it gets you two in the mood. :wink:
Jukebox!!! What's that? We don't have that fancy technology up in Birdwood yet! Us country bumpkins only listen to Lee Kernaghan on the ol' tape player and AM radio whilst sinking a few draught cans and then hop on the horse and cart to get home! :lol:
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Fudpucker wrote:
East 17 wrote:
shaneporker wrote:Obviously East 17 has spent too much time listening to a certain boy band from the 90's while sitting on the bench studying his English grammar etc. A simple question and so many people get upset!!! For all the people who came back with their views on the subject I say a BIG THANK YOU!

EAST 17...its alright, alright everything is gonna be alright!!!!
:lol:

Do you and fuddy ever whack that tune on the duke box after a pint or two of west end draught at the Birdwood?

Bet it gets you two in the mood. :wink:
Jukebox!!! What's that? We don't have that fancy technology up in Birdwood yet! Us country bumpkins only listen to Lee Kernaghan on the ol' tape player and AM radio whilst sinking a few draught cans and then hop on the horse and cart to get home! :lol:
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swannsong wrote:It only seems unfair if you are at a smaller club and don't have a pool of 50-80 players to call upon when you are struggling with injuries and suspension etc.
With having 2 sides (both having Reserve teams) in different Divisions, I personally think you should identify 2 squads, one for each Division you have teams in and hopefully Reserve players could step up to fill the vacancies......nominated C-Team players (those teams competing in Divisions that don't have a Reserve side) could step up into either teams when needed.
Why ? Is it fair if one of your sides has a run of send offs or accumulation of bookings that you can draw upon a pool of 50-80 players....where's the discipline in that ?
However, would be difficult to monitor and organize so it will probably stay as is !
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shaneporker wrote:Can anyone assist with this query as the league are not!!!

Can a player play for a team in 2 different divisions??? Recently we played a Flinders Uni (Sat div 4) who fielded a player who also plays in Sat Div 3 for Flinders Uni. I understand they are 1 club but playing in two divisions is hardly fair!! Its no different to playing for two different teams...I thought you signed for 1 team not 2!!!

The league have not given me a straight answer on this...any help???
Perhaps as the coach of the Flinders team in question I can put this to bed.

Yes we have played players, who have played Div 3 this season in Div 4. We have also played players from Div 5 in Div 4 and Div 4 in Div 3.

Yes as a club with lots of players (currently... this season we have already had games with only 1 sub fit and available.) but this fluctuates greatly. Does this give us an advantage.. sure of course it does if we have a 100 players turn up for training each week, I have a bigger pool of players to pick from. Is this the reality... no it's not like every club of every size we struggle through injury susspension and unavailibility. As any of the clubs with mulipule teams will tell you this get's harder the more teams you enter not easier!

Is it harder on smaller clubs.. ?? I am not sure as at the end of the day we are all trying to do the same thing which is play as many players as we can in the teams we have.

Would it be good if Torrens valley had more players.. Sure it would it would be fantastic if they had 5 teams. Is it our fault they don't.. No!

Do we stack teams... No in fact the idea is silly as someone pointed out when was the last time we were in the top league, too long ago!! Thus we try and play our best players in our best side stacking Div 4 would achieve nothing for us as we can not and will not play two teams in the same division so if our top side is not promoted it doesn't matter if we win Div 4. (Something barring a miracle would seem impossible this season with Ankor still being unbeaten anyway!) The best players play in the best side.. surely that is the same at all clubs!

As for the game it's self we won 3-0 the player who did all the damage (and who got all 3 votes from the ref) is and has been a Div 4 player all season. Plus due to injuries and other factors I didn't even use a full bench that day.. In fact the only player I did bring on had already played a full game in the B's.

So I am sorry you may have lost on this occasion but we have certainly been on the wrong side of the score line many times to you and I am sure will be again.

Is there a better system for regualting this?? Possibly there is and yes I can see how you would not want to play agaisnt a higher grade player, but this is something reserve sides face constantly.
Would I be happy to not have this inter club movement as a coach.. Yes I would every time we move players around you risk upseting combinations that are working and fruitfull.

Untill some one comes up with a better way to do things, I have no qualms about trying to make sure that as a club we can make sure we have a full squad for each and every one of our games and that players who play for us get some game time each week.

I hope that clears somethings up.
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A response far too generous for the question raised.....

Probably would have whinged if you had of forfeited because of lack of players as well.. :roll:
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Cleared up and closed!
2 club teams have an easier time than they think when it comes to those days (only a few though!!) when the whole roster turns up...
2 club teams have a harder time when (most days) when only 17 players are avaialble.

I just want to play...any grade, any time and most places!! Our D team had to play 6 players up into our B's and C's last week due to lack of players in a 4 team club (39 out of 68 were avaialble!!go figure). 2 weeks agao we had 59 avaialble... the D's had a better team on the park that weekend. The coach decides who plays where and if an A grade player is off the boil, returning form injury or just avery naughty boy he will be moved into the B or C grade... thats life and you win some and lose some.
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gooner4life wrote:we can not and will not play two teams in the same division
2010 you had 2 teams in Div 4B
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God is an Englishman wrote:
gooner4life wrote:we can not and will not play two teams in the same division
2010 you had 2 teams in Div 4B
:D Glad to see you are on the ball as always Hawkesy!

To use an argument in your idiom.. I said we can not and will not play teams in the same division I never said we had not done so in the past, I just infered we would not do it again! :wink: (at least while I am coaching.. after I am gone... who knows!)

So as I say, you are correct we have done it in the past. That too was a special set of cuircumsatances where by we entered as second B team along with Iggies so that Div 4B that year had a full and even amount of teams in it. Other wise Div 4B that year would have had loads of bye's. It was a solution brokerd by Kitch and Iggies which we agreed too to help out all teams. However it did cause some ineternal problems for us and that is one of the reasons we would not do it again. Certainly not in an A competition.
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possibly cost you the Div 4B title as well, seeing as you finished 2nd & 3rd.
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God is an Englishman wrote:possibly cost you the Div 4B title as well, seeing as you finished 2nd & 3rd.
Quite possibly did and part of the reason we wouldn't do it again.

When we were asked at the begining of the season to put two teams into Div 3 to fill the numbers out, (having been the next highest finisher in Div 4A) It didn't take us very long at all to turn down the offer. As I say it caused some problems internaly that year and as you so rightly point out probably contributed to us not winning the title that year in the B's.
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God is an Englishman wrote:possibly cost you the Div 4B title as well, seeing as you finished 2nd & 3rd.
Quite possibly did and part of the reason we wouldn't do it again.

When we were asked at the begining of the season to put two teams into Div 3 to fill the numbers out, (having been the next highest finisher in Div 4A) It didn't take us very long at all to turn down the offer. As I say it caused some problems internaly that year and as you so rightly point out probably contributed to us not winning the title that year in the B's.

I think it can work in certain scenarios. They certainly add an extra aspect to the club during that week.

The funniest part for me was the fact that only one of the coaches knew I was back in the country and available. He picked me up and hid me until just before kick off. Great banter!
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gooner4life wrote:
shaneporker wrote:Can anyone assist with this query as the league are not!!!

Can a player play for a team in 2 different divisions??? Recently we played a Flinders Uni (Sat div 4) who fielded a player who also plays in Sat Div 3 for Flinders Uni. I understand they are 1 club but playing in two divisions is hardly fair!! Its no different to playing for two different teams...I thought you signed for 1 team not 2!!!

The league have not given me a straight answer on this...any help???
Perhaps as the coach of the Flinders team in question I can put this to bed.

Yes we have played players, who have played Div 3 this season in Div 4. We have also played players from Div 5 in Div 4 and Div 4 in Div 3.

Yes as a club with lots of players (currently... this season we have already had games with only 1 sub fit and available.) but this fluctuates greatly. Does this give us an advantage.. sure of course it does if we have a 100 players turn up for training each week, I have a bigger pool of players to pick from. Is this the reality... no it's not like every club of every size we struggle through injury susspension and unavailibility. As any of the clubs with mulipule teams will tell you this get's harder the more teams you enter not easier!

Is it harder on smaller clubs.. ?? I am not sure as at the end of the day we are all trying to do the same thing which is play as many players as we can in the teams we have.

Would it be good if Torrens valley had more players.. Sure it would it would be fantastic if they had 5 teams. Is it our fault they don't.. No!

Do we stack teams... No in fact the idea is silly as someone pointed out when was the last time we were in the top league, too long ago!! Thus we try and play our best players in our best side stacking Div 4 would achieve nothing for us as we can not and will not play two teams in the same division so if our top side is not promoted it doesn't matter if we win Div 4. (Something barring a miracle would seem impossible this season with Ankor still being unbeaten anyway!) The best players play in the best side.. surely that is the same at all clubs!

As for the game it's self we won 3-0 the player who did all the damage (and who got all 3 votes from the ref) is and has been a Div 4 player all season. Plus due to injuries and other factors I didn't even use a full bench that day.. In fact the only player I did bring on had already played a full game in the B's.

So I am sorry you may have lost on this occasion but we have certainly been on the wrong side of the score line many times to you and I am sure will be again.

Is there a better system for regualting this?? Possibly there is and yes I can see how you would not want to play agaisnt a higher grade player, but this is something reserve sides face constantly.
Would I be happy to not have this inter club movement as a coach.. Yes I would every time we move players around you risk upseting combinations that are working and fruitfull.

Untill some one comes up with a better way to do things, I have no qualms about trying to make sure that as a club we can make sure we have a full squad for each and every one of our games and that players who play for us get some game time each week.

I hope that clears somethings up.
Thanks for your reply...however all I was asking was...can a player play in 2 divisions for the same team. The answer is yes. Am I grumbling about the result...no. We were soundly beaten by a better team. Thanks again....perhaps its time to affliate with another smaller type club???!!!
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shaneporker wrote: Thanks for your reply...however all I was asking was...can a player play in 2 divisions for the same team. The answer is yes. Am I grumbling about the result...no. We were soundly beaten by a better team. Thanks again....perhaps its time to affliate with another smaller type club???!!!
No problems didn't mean to suggest you were grumbling about the result, just trying to point out the numbers situation. :oops:

I certainly hope you don't have too affiliate with another club!! The league needs clubs like Torrens Valley, keep playing good football and things will come around, the work you have done at your ground is great, your website is good, you have a strong club. Numbers come and go at all clubs.

We look forward to playing you again in the future.

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God is an Englishman wrote:
gooner4life wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:possibly cost you the Div 4B title as well, seeing as you finished 2nd & 3rd.
Quite possibly did and part of the reason we wouldn't do it again.

When we were asked at the begining of the season to put two teams into Div 3 to fill the numbers out, (having been the next highest finisher in Div 4A) It didn't take us very long at all to turn down the offer. As I say it caused some problems internaly that year and as you so rightly point out probably contributed to us not winning the title that year in the B's.

I think it can work in certain scenarios. They certainly add an extra aspect to the club during that week.

The funniest part for me was the fact that only one of the coaches knew I was back in the country and available. He picked me up and hid me until just before kick off. Great banter!
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A reasonable and polite discussion, ending in general agreement - ON THIS FORUM. !!!
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Baresi wrote:GEEZ PEOPLE....LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not think it is fair that you can pick players from 2 divisions when you are undermanned....
You should be able to pick any player you have on your books provided he is not suspended.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Fudpucker wrote:
East 17 wrote:Have....... Should have gone to school......... You imbecile! Your argument stinks and so does your grammar. :clown:
Wow! We have people correcting grammar on a football forum. :clown:

Have, should have gone to school. Incorrect use of full stops! :lol: :lol: :lol:

you brought up education, jokes on you!
* joke's on you :P
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God Is No Englishman wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote: you brought up education, jokes on you!
* joke's on you :P

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having looked at todays fixtures, it is quite ironic to see who Torrens Valley are playing.
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