CrappyKeeper wrote:It's funny how many people seem to have missed this bit:
Reversion to the original policy will not exclude clubs from wearing predominantly black strips. However, the shirt does need to be distinguishable from the referee’s entirely black shirt (from the front and back) by inclusion of enough of a second colour (which can include the shirt number). To avoid the risk of non-compliance, clubs contemplating new designs of predominantly black strips are strongly advised to contact the SAASRA Secretary to obtain more detailed information about the minimum requirements of predominantly black shirts prior to purchasing their strips.
According to this, Uni can still wear black... mostly anyway.
So I gather they must mean all those teams that wear black shirts without numbers have to change.
This whole thing is turning into a complete farce.
CrappyKeeper wrote:It's funny how many people seem to have missed this bit:
Reversion to the original policy will not exclude clubs from wearing predominantly black strips. However, the shirt does need to be distinguishable from the referee’s entirely black shirt (from the front and back) by inclusion of enough of a second colour (which can include the shirt number). To avoid the risk of non-compliance, clubs contemplating new designs of predominantly black strips are strongly advised to contact the SAASRA Secretary to obtain more detailed information about the minimum requirements of predominantly black shirts prior to purchasing their strips.
According to this, Uni can still wear black... mostly anyway.
So I gather they must mean all those teams that wear black shirts without numbers have to change.
This whole thing is turning into a complete farce.
On these points we should be fine, we have a big white V on the front of our shirt and we have white numbers as well, sweet!
Hopefully then the refs don't decide that only the refs can wear black shirts with a white V on it and anyone else who does will need to change.
penalty wrote:SAASL has been given copy of Referees coaching sheet about shinpads, sock, undergarmnts, tecnical areas and specator lines. It is not the referees fualt if the SAASL is slack at emailing the info to all clubs.
The SAASRA has it on its web http://saasra.wikispaces.com/Ref%27s+Co ... ewsletters
Again it seems as if the Referees are trying to run the competition.
Could it be that the SAASL doesnt endorse these rules, therefore wont send them out?
Is there now a divide between the SAASL Management and the Refs coz the Refs have gone out of their way to promote their own agenda? I ask again, who is running this League?
CrappyKeeper wrote:It's funny how many people seem to have missed this bit:
Reversion to the original policy will not exclude clubs from wearing predominantly black strips. However, the shirt does need to be distinguishable from the referee’s entirely black shirt (from the front and back) by inclusion of enough of a second colour (which can include the shirt number). To avoid the risk of non-compliance, clubs contemplating new designs of predominantly black strips are strongly advised to contact the SAASRA Secretary to obtain more detailed information about the minimum requirements of predominantly black shirts prior to purchasing their strips.
According to this, Uni can still wear black... mostly anyway.
Having been at a game on saturday where a ref wore a black shirt and one team wore a black shirt with a white V on it. No way was it not a clash.
CrappyKeeper wrote:It's funny how many people seem to have missed this bit:
Reversion to the original policy will not exclude clubs from wearing predominantly black strips. However, the shirt does need to be distinguishable from the referee’s entirely black shirt (from the front and back) by inclusion of enough of a second colour (which can include the shirt number). To avoid the risk of non-compliance, clubs contemplating new designs of predominantly black strips are strongly advised to contact the SAASRA Secretary to obtain more detailed information about the minimum requirements of predominantly black shirts prior to purchasing their strips.
According to this, Uni can still wear black... mostly anyway.
Having been at a game on saturday where a ref wore a black shirt and one team wore a black shirt with a white V on it. No way was it not a clash.
Double Negative.
Did it clash? I thought it clashed when we played them.
CrappyKeeper wrote:It's funny how many people seem to have missed this bit:
Reversion to the original policy will not exclude clubs from wearing predominantly black strips. However, the shirt does need to be distinguishable from the referee’s entirely black shirt (from the front and back) by inclusion of enough of a second colour (which can include the shirt number). To avoid the risk of non-compliance, clubs contemplating new designs of predominantly black strips are strongly advised to contact the SAASRA Secretary to obtain more detailed information about the minimum requirements of predominantly black shirts prior to purchasing their strips.
According to this, Uni can still wear black... mostly anyway.
Having been at a game on saturday where a ref wore a black shirt and one team wore a black shirt with a white V on it. No way was it not a clash.
Double Negative.
Did it clash? I thought it clashed when we played them.
As it says Jay - no way was it not a clash. So yes, I agree with you it was definitely a clash.
CrappyKeeper wrote:It's funny how many people seem to have missed this bit:
Reversion to the original policy will not exclude clubs from wearing predominantly black strips. However, the shirt does need to be distinguishable from the referee’s entirely black shirt (from the front and back) by inclusion of enough of a second colour (which can include the shirt number). To avoid the risk of non-compliance, clubs contemplating new designs of predominantly black strips are strongly advised to contact the SAASRA Secretary to obtain more detailed information about the minimum requirements of predominantly black shirts prior to purchasing their strips.
According to this, Uni can still wear black... mostly anyway.
Having been at a game on saturday where a ref wore a black shirt and one team wore a black shirt with a white V on it. No way was it not a clash.
Double Negative.
Did it clash? I thought it clashed when we played them.
The ref wore the yellow shirt when we played you guys. There was absolutely no clash!
BlackBrian_7 wrote:At the end of the day if we have to change we have to change, however it shouldn't just be us.
Inter is as much a clash as us and regarding shorts and socks no-one else should be allowed to wear black either.
I personally believe that refs should only wear black but I also think you can fix this easily as well. Your A's just wear that white kit whilst your B/C's wear the black kit. Club refs are more likely to wear a different coloured shirt or wear the "club ref bib".
Does this post also show that you now agree that I wasn't talking shit about the socks as well then?
Shinpads hasn't really come up from what I have seen, it doesn't really affect me because I don't wear the really small ones anyway.
As I said if the league instructs us that we are no longer able to wear black (shorts and socks as well) as it clashes with the refs then that is fine. However there are a lot of other clubs that incorporate black into their colours as well and I would expect that this ruling would be applied consistently as well to them.
Common sense should prevail here and the refs should be able to wear a different coloured shirt as goes on all around the world. But the first two words in the previous sentence probably means that it won't happen.
Will be interesting to see what happens at the Hawks-Uni game in round 1. Both teams have black home and white away strips, I believe. Couldn't solve the clash either way. A ref wearing yellow would though.
BlackBrian_7 wrote:Common sense should prevail here and the refs should be able to wear a different coloured shirt as goes on all around the world.
It doesn't though. I was told by someone the other day that the only country where the refs (outside of the professional leagues) don't wear black is australia. I don't know if that's true as I've only ever played football in 3 countries. However, 2 of them. The refs wore black.
BlackBrian_7 wrote:
As I said if the league instructs us that we are no longer able to wear black (shorts and socks as well) as it clashes with the refs then that is fine. However there are a lot of other clubs that incorporate black into their colours as well and I would expect that this ruling would be applied consistently as well to them.
Why would you need to change shorts and socks? The clash of socks being talked about on the forum is about the clash of socks between the two teams... not with a referee.
Why would you need to change shorts and socks? The clash of socks being talked about on the forum is about the clash of socks between the two teams... not with a referee.
yes you are right. Clash of socks is between two teams. Home team changes.
I think this, "you must change socks" and "they most not wear this colour" misses the point that this is an amatuer competiton. Many clubs do not have second set of socks they can just magic up a the drop of a hat. Have the powers forgotten this?
BlackBrian_7 wrote:Common sense should prevail here and the refs should be able to wear a different coloured shirt as goes on all around the world.
It doesn't though. I was told by someone the other day that the only country where the refs (outside of the professional leagues) don't wear black is australia. I don't know if that's true as I've only ever played football in 3 countries. However, 2 of them. The refs wore black.
When I played in Orkney some refs wore fluro shirts, but this was probably so they could be seen through the hail and fog, or if the wind picked them up they could be found easily.
that referee statement is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen, EVER. that epitomises right there what is wrong with football and its politics in South Australia.
blackout wrote:Will be interesting to see what happens at the Hawks-Uni game in round 1. Both teams have black home and white away strips, I believe. Couldn't solve the clash either way. A ref wearing yellow would though.
Last night Steve Craggs(sp?) said it won't be a problem as there is enough difference between the 3 parties.
That was ok until someone raised the opposition teams concerns about distinguishing them from the Ref in other games.
The lack of direct answers from the Refs and SAASL is mind blowing.
blackout wrote:Will be interesting to see what happens at the Hawks-Uni game in round 1. Both teams have black home and white away strips, I believe. Couldn't solve the clash either way. A ref wearing yellow would though.
Last night Steve Craggs(sp?) said it won't be a problem as there is enough difference between the 3 parties.
That was ok until someone raised the opposition teams concerns about distinguishing them from the Ref in other games.
The lack of direct answers from the Refs and SAASL is mind blowing.
+1
Someone needs to show some leadership on this issue.
The reasonable stance that I heard was put forward by the SAASRA President is in very stark contrast to the attitudes of the referees on this issue. They feel very strongly that they will be the only ones wearing black and Steve on the weekend said that we will be forfeiting if we wear our uniform.
Whatever the outcome a decision needs to be made before it gets to the game next weekend. It would be crap for us or Hawks to not be able to play due to the refs 'interpretation' of this Law of the game.
blackout wrote:Will be interesting to see what happens at the Hawks-Uni game in round 1. Both teams have black home and white away strips, I believe. Couldn't solve the clash either way. A ref wearing yellow would though.
Last night Steve Craggs(sp?) said it won't be a problem as there is enough difference between the 3 parties.
That was ok until someone raised the opposition teams concerns about distinguishing them from the Ref in other games.
The lack of direct answers from the Refs and SAASL is mind blowing.
+1
Someone needs to show some leadership on this issue.
The reasonable stance that I heard was put forward by the SAASRA President is in very stark contrast to the attitudes of the referees on this issue. They feel very strongly that they will be the only ones wearing black and Steve on the weekend said that we will be forfeiting if we wear our uniform.
Whatever the outcome a decision needs to be made before it gets to the game next weekend. It would be crap for us or Hawks to not be able to play due to the refs 'interpretation' of this Law of the game.
why don't you just wear your white kit in the A's?
BlackBrian_7 wrote:
Whatever the outcome a decision needs to be made before it gets to the game next weekend. It would be crap for us or Hawks to not be able to play due to the refs 'interpretation' of this Law of the game.
why don't you just wear your white kit in the A's?
So that Hawks can wear their black kit? Herp derp.
BlackBrian_7 wrote:
Whatever the outcome a decision needs to be made before it gets to the game next weekend. It would be crap for us or Hawks to not be able to play due to the refs 'interpretation' of this Law of the game.
why don't you just wear your white kit in the A's?
So that Hawks can wear their black kit? Herp derp.
That's actually a good idea from Hawkesy because then Hawks wil have to forfeit and we get the 3 points!
I still think that Hawkesy misses the point of the matter that we (Adelaide Uni) have nominated a main strip of a black shirt, shorts & socks which has been accepted by the league. They run the competition, not the referees.
The laws of the game (specifically law 4) only state that the players must not clash with the ref, opposition team, assistant refs. They do not prescribe who should change. The amateur league's laws of the game as prescribed on their website, makes no mention of referees having to wear black the only mention at all of colours is that goalkeepers need to wear a colour that distinguishes them from field players and the referee.
Regarding what happens in the rest of the world as per what Hawkesy's mate down the pub told him I can't comment as I have only played in SA & WA. I am sure if you looked hard enough you could find examples where this isn't true.
