Skillaroos 2012

[Željko Jurin]

What a joke that list is.

Why?

Maybe the Skillaroo staff should actually step outside their offices and go take a look at some of the top clubs in all leagues, not just rely on a coach or club to nominate or make a donation.

The club and coach should be nominating the best players, hence they get watched and did get watched for 4 mths didn't they .....

[AL K HOLIC]

Stitch This wrote:
AL K HOLIC wrote:
What a joke that list is.

Why?



Maybe the Skillaroo staff should actually step outside their offices and go take a look at some of the top clubs in all leagues, not just rely on a coach or club to nominate or make a donation.

Watching some junior soccer this year I have observed and first hand seen how children have improved throughout the year. Having seen the U/13's semi finals and final between West Adelaide and Para Hills , how can none of those lads from West Adelaide not make the squad? On a side note this squad should be put up for selection again as I could name at least 5 players that could walk into that team.

BINGO

[AL K HOLIC]

So what your saying is our 'best' path to produce home grown talent is reliable on a parent/coach that may or may not understand talent from talent, that's a great system.

Shouldn't the so called talent scouts be scouting all teams?

How many scouts went to watch Croydon, Toros or Modbury from the B league, these teams are top and consistant, one even a cup semi finalist, yet not one player may have missed the boat?

Poor

[Stitch This]

On a side note this squad should be put up for selection again as I could name at least 5 players that could walk into that team.

And name the five that should make way for them of course.

[Stitch This]

So what your saying is our 'best' path to produce home grown talent is reliable on a parent/coach that may or may not understand talent from talent, that's a great system.

Shouldn't the so called talent scouts be scouting all teams?

How many scouts went to watch Croydon, Toros or Modbury from the B league, these teams are top and consistant, one even a cup semi finalist, yet not one player may have missed the boat?

Poor

So if you are so good at understanding talent from talent, which team are you coaching?

Ripping it up against mediocre competition in the B league is hardly a qualification for Skillaroos.

[Big Mac]

What a joke that list is.

Why?

Maybe the Skillaroo staff should actually step outside their offices and go take a look at some of the top clubs in all leagues, not just rely on a coach or club to nominate or make a donation.

You should be ashamed of that statement.
The trial process went on for months, dont discredit those Kids that were selected because none from YOUR club got in!
Do you actually know how the trial process worked from STIC to Summer Series?, went on for months.

[AL K HOLIC]

So what your saying is our 'best' path to produce home grown talent is reliable on a parent/coach that may or may not understand talent from talent, that's a great system.

Shouldn't the so called talent scouts be scouting all teams?

How many scouts went to watch Croydon, Toros or Modbury from the B league, these teams are top and consistant, one even a cup semi finalist, yet not one player may have missed the boat?

Poor

So if you are so good at understanding talent from talent, which team are you coaching?

Ripping it up against mediocre competition in the B league is hardly a qualification for Skillaroos.

Then explain how a 6th placed B league team has a rep?

That position must be real thin from the 15 teams above them.

[AL K HOLIC]

You should be ashamed of that statement.
The trial process went on for months, dont discredit those Kids that were selected because none from YOUR club got in!
Do you actually know how the trial process worked from STIC to Summer Series?, went on for months.[/quote]


The kids have done nothing wrong, I discredit the selectors and the lack of extra work to possibly catch any players that may have slipped through.

Did the selectors actually go out and take a look at all Top 3 clubs in the A or B leagues to be 100% sure for the sake of our game?

Did the selectors go to the Semi finals and Cup Finals to also be sure someone didn't slip through?

I just find it hard to believe that all efforts were taken beyond the nomination process to be sure the best of the best were looked at.

[Stitch This]

Then explain how a 6th placed B league team has a rep?

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

[AL K HOLIC]

Then explain how a 6th placed B league team has a rep?

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

http://www.ffsa.com.au/game-development ... roos-2011/

I see two players listed here in a 6th place B league team, am I missing something?

Were these boys not U/12s in 2010 making them U/13s this year?

Fair enough these boys may have been tearing it up in U12s, but again, since the nominations of 2010 have the powers of be made sure that no player in a top league club may have been missed?

[Stonthialo]

People shouldn't ever blame the kids but the processes in which teams have been picked. Are the trial processes undertaken to select the core kids sound????? If you are an individual or a club that always wants to improve then you should look at the way you can improve things and it blatantly obvious to all that these trial that occurred for months didn't select the best players.

You want to pick kids then trial them, see them play in league games, cup games and go out and watch them train. This whole selection process should be managed by a team of at least 5....Also asking coaches to nominate players for STIC is fraught with danger. STIC coaches should actually go out to games and pick who they think would best suit them and then consult each coach to find out individual traits about the certain players(s) in concern.

Will this improve the chance of developing a better team......Probably but at least it's transparent, it's fair, it doesn't discriminate a child who can't afford to play for a so called big club. Could you have a team of coaches from all divisions nominate players whom they deem to be good enough. My point is that you should ask the coaches who have to work in the trenches with these kids on a weekly basis. Any way of doing trials is unfair because one way or another a kid misses out but if you are transparent and aren't only looking in one place then you may be able to pick a team which is currently better than the team now.

[Željko Jurin]

So what your saying is our 'best' path to produce home grown talent is reliable on a parent/coach that may or may not understand talent from talent, that's a great system.

...... who are intern coaching these kids all year, yet they know nothing ?

[AL K HOLIC]

So what your saying is our 'best' path to produce home grown talent is reliable on a parent/coach that may or may not understand talent from talent, that's a great system.

...... who are intern coaching these kids all year, yet they know nothing ?

I'm talking about the coaches nominating these kids, not the one coaching them at skillaroos, I'm sure the coaches, or should be, top notch, but again answer the questions by veggos and myself, do these coaches go out in the trenches to be sure players are not missed.

There is boy at Croydon who ran rings around selected players when they played cup and league, so how was he missed in that list?

Some coaches do not nominate, some kids join after the U/12s nominations.

[Big Mac]

Then explain how a 6th placed B league team has a rep?

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

http://www.ffsa.com.au/game-development ... roos-2011/

I see two players listed here in a 6th place B league team, am I missing something?

Were these boys not U/12s in 2010 making them U/13s this year?

Fair enough these boys may have been tearing it up in U12s, but again, since the nominations of 2010 have the powers of be made sure that no player in a top league club may have been missed?

You complain that 'B' League boys were overlooked and then you question why 'B' League boys were selected (because they are NOT from yout Club is my guess?)???

The 2011 Skilleroo squad was picked after an exhaustive process of trials after........
a) selected players were nominated by their own Club (indentification step#1)
b) they then were TRIALLED and identified players were selected for either of 2 STIC squads in their areaby STIC Coaches (identification step#2)
c) they then played in the STIC event in Oct last year where FFSA scouts were attending.(identification step #3)
d) the 8 STIC squads played numerous weekly matches leading up to X-Mas watched by FFSA officials and assessed by their own STIC coaches (identification step #4)
e) the 2 squads in each zone were then reduced to 1 after consultation between STIC Coaches and Skilleroos selectors/coaches (identification step #5)
f) each single STIC team then played in another series of matches in Jan. where they were further assesed by their STIC coaches and FFSA Coaches (identification step #6)
g) from this a squad of approx. 30 boys (for memory) were selected for further trialling (identification step #7)
h) a final squad was selected.

I would suggest that is enough identification don't you?

Yes boys in all Leagues, in good teams and bad, have developed throughout 2011. Maybe that is why we had the recent STIC event to give these Boys the opportunity to be looked at for U14 (Skilleroos) in 2012, once again there will be a summer series of STIC squads throughout Sept. and the process will happen again. Those good enough will have the opportunity to make the Skilleroos for next year.
Skilleroos boys should be allowed to have a year within the programme once selected.
New boys will be added, some existing may go, thats the way it works.

Good luck to those boys that were picked from the 6th placed team in 'B's, just goes to show that any boy has the opportunity to be identified if good enough.

Selectors don't pick players, players pick themselves.

Yes I am a realist, sometime deserving players may miss out, what you, me or someone else sees in a player is likely to differ.
Over 12 months at this age player development can change significantly.
If there are players in the "B" league ripping it up, great. If they have been identified through one of the umpteen processes they will get their chance.
Don't forget, there are other boys in the "A" Div. ripping it up as well.

[johnydep]

I'm talking about the coaches nominating these kids, not the one coaching them at skillaroos, I'm sure the coaches, or should be, top notch, but again answer the questions by veggos and myself, do these coaches go out in the trenches to be sure players are not missed.

There is boy at Croydon who ran rings around selected players when they played cup and league, so how was he missed in that list?

Some coaches do not nominate, some kids join after the U/12s nominations.

What's that saying ... "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

The boy was nominated, he went to one or two sessions and decided he didn't want to be involved. There was another player that didn't go to any of the STIC trials because his dream is not football/soccer, it's academia.

There are 'scouts' going to games and looking at players. Our club has been asked (as have other clubs) to send a list of players names, team and number so that they can be watched while playing; this happened at least twice during the year, with a request for different player list.

Just because a kid is playing in a lower division does not mean they are not good enough. Some kids do not want to leave their mates, their team or their club; I know of one such player that is very skillful and has been identified. Some parents and coaches have questioned his decision of playing in a "weak team at a weak club".

Young players will learn anywhere and in any team; if they have what it takes to start with.

[Big Mac]

Please don't let facts get in the way of fiction^^^

[AL K HOLIC]

The 2011 Skilleroo squad was picked after an exhaustive process of trials after........
a) selected players were nominated by their own Club (indentification step#1)
b) they then were TRIALLED and identified players were selected for either of 2 STIC squads in their areaby STIC Coaches (identification step#2)
c) they then played in the STIC event in Oct last year where FFSA scouts were attending.(identification step #3)
d) the 8 STIC squads played numerous weekly matches leading up to X-Mas watched by FFSA officials and assessed by their own STIC coaches (identification step #4)
e) the 2 squads in each zone were then reduced to 1 after consultation between STIC Coaches and Skilleroos selectors/coaches (identification step #5)
f) each single STIC team then played in another series of matches in Jan. where they were further assesed by their STIC coaches and FFSA Coaches (identification step #6)
g) from this a squad of approx. 30 boys (for memory) were selected for further trialling (identification step #7)
h) a final squad was selected.

I would suggest that is enough identification don't you?

Please show me the line that explains they looked further than the fish tank they stood in, just incase the odd player was missed for whatever reason!!!

Maybe Australias Messi only joined a club in March, where is the safety net for such a case listed in your awesome selection process.
Maybe a new coach took over from the previous U/12 coach cos he/she was shiraz and didn't nominate a player, where is the safety net for such a case listed in your awesome selection process.

All you have shown me is unless a coach nominates a player we may miss a champion.

I could give a shiraz what club they come from because when they qualify us for a WC or turn into a world wide sensation, the player will be a role model, not a player from that club or this club.

Our superstars are not flowing over the bucket, there is no need to have a hole in that bucket losing what we could have.

[Željko Jurin]

OMG, you make it sound like 100s of players were missed

If a player is that good and in the best 16 in this state and didn't get selected by his club or coach to trial for STIC, then I'm pretty sure they would leave that club, don't you ?

Or if they came late to a club, and are 'ripping it up' then I'm sure they would have got selected by their club and coach to trial for this years STIC, and would have ripped it up at STIC again

But of course if his club/coach at his 2nd club didn't nominate him again, then refer to my first paragraph again ....
But if he came late to a club again (where he's been hiding I don't know but you're telling the story) then he will get nominated again next year seeing he's ripping it up again ....

And so on, and so on, and so on

PS ..... what happens if the 'scouts' go out and watch him play a club game, (like you say they should be doing as the STIC selection process is useless and all these kids are getting missed) and he has a sh*t game ??

[Big Mac]

The 2011 Skilleroo squad was picked after an exhaustive process of trials after........
a) selected players were nominated by their own Club (indentification step#1)
b) they then were TRIALLED and identified players were selected for either of 2 STIC squads in their areaby STIC Coaches (identification step#2)
c) they then played in the STIC event in Oct last year where FFSA scouts were attending.(identification step #3)
d) the 8 STIC squads played numerous weekly matches leading up to X-Mas watched by FFSA officials and assessed by their own STIC coaches (identification step #4)
e) the 2 squads in each zone were then reduced to 1 after consultation between STIC Coaches and Skilleroos selectors/coaches (identification step #5)
f) each single STIC team then played in another series of matches in Jan. where they were further assesed by their STIC coaches and FFSA Coaches (identification step #6)
g) from this a squad of approx. 30 boys (for memory) were selected for further trialling (identification step #7)
h) a final squad was selected.

I would suggest that is enough identification don't you?

Please show me the line that explains they looked further than the fish tank they stood in, just incase the odd player was missed for whatever reason!!!

Maybe Australias Messi only joined a club in March, where is the safety net for such a case listed in your awesome selection process.
Maybe a new coach took over from the previous U/12 coach cos he/she was shiraz and didn't nominate a player, where is the safety net for such a case listed in your awesome selection process.
All you have shown me is unless a coach nominates a player we may miss a champion.

I could give a shiraz what club they come from because when they qualify us for a WC or turn into a world wide sensation, the player will be a role model, not a player from that club or this club.

Our superstars are not flowing over the bucket, there is no need to have a hole in that bucket losing what we could have.

The safety net is this years STICS...what dont you understand about that?
Under your "have a scout watch a game system", as Zjelko said what happens if the player has a bad game??????

Gee, which is better....... have a player being looked at numerous times through the STIC process OR have a scout come out and watch one game and hope the player has a good day.

Next Messi? role models? superstars being missed? Get a grip

[clubman]

Development and State Team Programs

Boys

A new pathway for Under 12, 13 and 14 Boys will provide an enhanced environment for player development through regular, high quality competition and coaching. The program will also create a more structured approach for player identification to ensure the best young players in South Australia are identified. Coaches for the program have been selected by FFSA Technical Director Airton Andrioli and will be part of a mentoring program which will provide coach education in line with the FFA National Curriculum.




Under 12 Development Program (July – September)



The Under 12 program is intended to enable a greater number of players (8 metro zone teams & 1 country) to be assessed and identified in game situations.

The program is as follows:

· 9 Teams selected (2 North, 2 South, 2 East, 2 West and 1 Country) to compete in July 2011 State Talent Identification Championships (STIC)

· After the tournament 4 teams of 16 players will be selected (1 North, 1 South, 1 East and 1 West). Identified country players will be linked to metro squads.

The two coaches from each zone will now work together with one squad


· The 4 squads selected from STIC will remain together, training during the month of August.

· The 4 squads will then play weekly games, (organized by FFSA) during September for the final selection of players, (games to be played at the same venue).

· The Under 13 FFA Skilleroos squad will then be selected at the end of September 2011.

· The FFA Skilleroos program will be full time. Players will train during the week and play weekend matches in the Under 14 JPL competition

(no club commitments).





Under 13 Development Program (July - September)



The under 13 program is intended to give players that participated in 2010 program and also new players in this age group, another opportunity to be assessed and identified for the Under 14 State Development program.


The program is as follows:


· 5 Teams selected (North, South, East, West and Country) to compete in July 2011 State Talent Identification Championships (STIC).

· After the tournament the 4 zone teams will remain together, training during the month of August, (Identified country players will be linked to metro squads).


· The 4 squads will then play weekly games, (organized by FFSA) during September for the final selection of players for U14 programs, (games to be played at the same venue).










Under 14 Development Program



After the tournament Metro and Country coaches will provide a list of players they believe should be looked at for the U14 development squad and SASI. Players will also be assessed during the tournament by U14 Development Squad Coach Elvis Markov and SASI coach Tony Vidmar. The selected players will be invited at the most appropriate time for further assessment.

[tobisaiah]

No process is without flaws..... I think in reality so long as kids who perhaps didn't shine in club games when scouts were around, trials, STIC games etc, dont have the door shut on them for next year, or the year after etc then the talented kids will eventually get noticed.

And from what I am told yes, kids will get a chance later (although I probably haven't heard this from anyone actually involved)...... within 1 year some kids can develop a lot faster than others with the skills they seem to target for these squads, and hopefully it works out for them. Only issue I have is that really I'd love to see a strong message out from the FFSA, through the clubs to let the parents and 'Little Johnny" know there's still other ways, maybe next year, or the year after.... cause I've heard a lot of parents (even myself really) question selection decisions and some also thinking well I guess we need to try soime other pathway now or another sport.

[spooky1972]

Time will tell i suppose, technically these kids would not be out of place individually in a team of U/14s.

So considering next year there will be an entire team of these kids, with the best coaching the FFSA has to offer this team would be expected to dominate.

[Željko Jurin]

No process is without flaws..... I think in reality so long as kids who perhaps didn't shine in club games when scouts were around, trials, STIC games etc, dont have the door shut on them for next year, or the year after etc then the talented kids will eventually get noticed.

And from what I am told yes, kids will get a chance later (although I probably haven't heard this from anyone actually involved)...... within 1 year some kids can develop a lot faster than others with the skills they seem to target for these squads, and hopefully it works out for them. Only issue I have is that really I'd love to see a strong message out from the FFSA, through the clubs to let the parents and 'Little Johnny" know there's still other ways, maybe next year, or the year after.... cause I've heard a lot of parents (even myself really) question selection decisions and some also thinking well I guess we need to try soime other pathway now or another sport.

So a child misses a representative selection, a you would consider changing sports ??

You're playing for the wrong reasons then .....

[manu09]

Are we saying that this years u/11 SAP kids have been identified and therefore are a walk up to next years STIC trials. Or are all kids starting as equals with impartial nominations from coaches?
I've seen improvements in some of the non SAP players that deserve at least a trial. If they're good enough, nominate them and let show what they've got to offer. Not everyone will get nominated, but we can only hope that the process is fair and transparent.

[tobisaiah]

So a child misses a representative selection, a you would consider changing sports ??

You're playing for the wrong reasons then .....

Personally no, and in most ways at least for my son, I dont make the choice, he does (and it would never be about "making a rep team", only about whether the game is still enjoyable. But just commenting based on what some parents have said to me when we have had discussions about the pathways etc.

[Željko Jurin]

Are we saying that this years u/11 SAP kids have been identified and therefore are a walk up to next years STIC trials. Or are all kids starting as equals with impartial nominations from coaches?
I've seen improvements in some of the non SAP players that deserve at least a trial. If they're good enough, nominate them and let show what they've got to offer. Not everyone will get nominated, but we can only hope that the process is fair and transparent.

Where was that said ?

[manu09]

[quote="clubman"]Development and State Team Programs

Under 13 Development Program (July - September)

The under 13 program is intended to give players that participated in 2010 program another opportunity to be assessed and identified for the Under 14 State Development program.

quote]

Based on this, my comment is just a natural progression of thought for next years U/12's. I may be wrong or right, but I just think that all the boys should start from scratch and be assessed equally.
The current SAP boys have just benefited greatly from the extra coaching from Ritchie. But next year is a new season and as such, the slate is clear for everyone.
No personal interest here ZJ, just want all to have their chance to shine.

[Željko Jurin]

Sorry, but what has SAP and current u11 kids got to do with the u13 program ??????

The current SAP squads are u10 and u11............... sorry, I'm lost ??

Next years u12s (this years u11s) will be doing STIC in 2012 (just like this year and last year), where individual club coaches nominate up to 7 players + 3 underage (I could be wrong with those figures) to trial for their respective zones, then 2 x 15 player squads are selected for each zone + 1 country team by STIC coaches, which equates to 135 kids (9 teams) participating in the initial STIC comp for u12s......just like this year and last