How much does it cost a club to win Sunday Premier League

[Uncle Cracker]

okay here is a bit of information for all those people that think they know how many and how much players get payed...currently at florina we have 6 players that get payed to play the other 10 or so players get $20 drink cards that is it. as for me getting $900 i can tell you that it works out to be more than that a week..soccer is about winning things if it means you have to spend a bit of money to be successful then so be it....chelsea springs to mind.

Hey dont get me wrong you are quality and are worth money, but $900 or more a week just for one player, let alone what they are paying the rest seems ridiculous for an amateur club regardless of how much money the club has, and to come on hear and boast about it is a bit sad. Having won sun div 1 in 05 knowing that everyone was on petrol money, if that per week im a bit bemused, i guess if both parties are happy it doesnt really matter. If it was to continue for a few years no doubt Florina would lose respect, and set an unrealistic expectation for the rest of the league, just my opinion...

900/week, when did he take a pay cut i think he was taking the piss mate, maybe he should of posted it in BLUE

As for paying others what " seems ridiculous " you know what they get paid do you NO, just going by 2nd hand information that you HEARD.

Im sure your 05 team was only on petrol money, i HEARD afew had big tanks.

Anyway if its posted on this forum it must be true.

[Judge Judy]

Anyway if its posted on this forum it must be true.

definitely. Many a credible source to be found on here, it's as good as gospel

[Mr X]

Sunday Premier League or 1st Division has changed over the years 15 yrs I have been involved. 10 years ago we would get a quality player like Barrie Crooke willing to play for the club for peanuts but he was at the end of his career & was lucky enough to win a Championship with his mates. Today we are getting quality players like Stamm, Aguis, Westervelt, Manker in the prime of there football careers. Some of those players are attracted by the money, some by the belief of a Silverware, but for what ever reason they come, they do come & have improved the quality of our competition dramatically. We have currently a player who I won't mention his name, he had a $600 per game contract with a Super League Club, he has come to our club & is now getting paid the same as the rest of our players. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying there arnt other players on a lot more but he came back to the club because his GARDENS & has a family & dosnt want to commit to the 4 times a week with a Super League Club. We also have out 17 yr old gun at the start of his career who will move on to bigger things. We also have Freddy who had a disagreement with AC for what ever reason & came to us for the rest of the season if his on more than the rest of our players Good Luck to him his quality they wanted him chased him & got him & if he helps us win the League or Cup fantastic. What I'm really trying to say is all players are different you have to adapt & play it how it comes. If you believe your going to Win Sunday Premier League Championship paying nothing Good Luck to you. Downs, Florina, Gardens, Farm pay their players that's just how it is. I saw a FFSA Premier League game yesterday & SAASL Premier League I believe kills it. We have Strong Fiancial Clubs who attract Ex. A-League, NSL, Super League players & we pay some of those players to attract them. I have never heard of a Amateur League player not recieving his match payment from a SAASL Club. I believe must be doing something right, let's keep up the good work...

In his prime? Isnt he like 35 years old?

[Jay Walking]

nuggett I'm not disparaging you or putting you or your club down, but this comment I'm about to post is along the lines of what I said in the other thread re there being 29 'semi-professional' clubs 'above' the amateur clubs in the so-called 'league structure'.

Players like those you mentioned below are great to have playing at amateur level. Ebomo absolutely killed us today through the middle of the park in patches and I'm sure Agius would have done some damage. What do clubs like yours actually aspire to? (and I assume, alot of other Northern clubs - I've only ever visited Elizabeth Downs, Ingle Farm, and today saw PHE and Parafield Gardens). You all have thriving junior setups, you have a significant amount of supporters (I drove past the Campbelltown first-team game yesterday on my way to watch the second half of Uni v Florina and there was maybe a third of the amount of people that were at the cup game today), you obviously have the $$$, you have the clubroom setups (although your away changerooms could use some work ), but do you have the ambition? Is your club (and the other 'big' northern clubs) happy to play and win at essentially the 'fourth' division/level of football even though they have all those things I mentioned above that could easily translate into them becoming a significant member of the State / Premier / Super League? I say this because, being completely honest, it seems like such a waste for me seeing and hearing (and playing against) these guys that are excellent footballers who should in all honesty be playing at a higher level. The kudos of course goes to clubs like yours that can attract them with $$$, loyalty, darts etc. Are your clubs happy being 'junior feeders' for Playford, Salisbury United and Modbury Jets? This isn't like the SANFL and SAAFL where there are 9 defined clubs and the amateur clubs are zoned and the juniors all strive to be 'rep' players in the SANFL - clubs like yours have the setups and abilities to apply for and move into the 'semi-professional' ranks, compete and do well there! There's nothing wrong with that if that's how the club/s view themselves, but as I said above it seems like just a waste.

In my mind the FFSA is absolutely stupid for letting amateur clubs have this amount of pulling power to quality players. It should be doing whatever it takes to integrate clubs like yours (and the other 'big' clubs) into its family so it can take advantage of all those qualities that I mentioned above.

Love to hear the thoughts from other 'big' 'northern' clubs.

Sunday Premier League or 1st Division has changed over the years 15 yrs I have been involved. 10 years ago we would get a quality player like Barrie Crooke willing to play for the club for peanuts but he was at the end of his career & was lucky enough to win a Championship with his mates. Today we are getting quality players like Stamm, Aguis, Westervelt, Manker in the prime of there football careers. Some of those players are attracted by the money, some by the belief of a Silverware, but for what ever reason they come, they do come & have improved the quality of our competition dramatically. We have currently a player who I won't mention his name, he had a $600 per game contract with a Super League Club, he has come to our club & is now getting paid the same as the rest of our players. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying there arnt other players on a lot more but he came back to the club because his GARDENS & has a family & dosnt want to commit to the 4 times a week with a Super League Club. We also have out 17 yr old gun at the start of his career who will move on to bigger things. We also have Freddy who had a disagreement with AC for what ever reason & came to us for the rest of the season if his on more than the rest of our players Good Luck to him his quality they wanted him chased him & got him & if he helps us win the League or Cup fantastic. What I'm really trying to say is all players are different you have to adapt & play it how it comes. If you believe your going to Win Sunday Premier League Championship paying nothing Good Luck to you. Downs, Florina, Gardens, Farm pay their players that's just how it is. I saw a FFSA Premier League game yesterday & SAASL Premier League I believe kills it. We have Strong Fiancial Clubs who attract Ex. A-League, NSL, Super League players & we pay some of those players to attract them. I have never heard of a Amateur League player not recieving his match payment from a SAASL Club. I believe must be doing something right, let's keep up the good work...

Great post Kitch.

The reason a lot of the players come to the SAASL is because the demands of playing in the Feds are much higher. The training schedule, regime and extra games means that you do sacrifice more to play. In some instances the money on offer in the SAASL is maybe 10%-35% less than what you could get at a Fed club but the trade off is less commitment and pressure. I guess thats why some of these players aren't chasing the glory anymore in the feds. Most of the guys you mentioned there have already had their time in the Feds, had success and are playing for a different reasons. The guys who could play Feds but stick to SAASL normally do so because they are loyal to their team for some particular reason.

The reason for the success of SAASL clubs is that there is an outlet for people like myself who aren't great players but still want to be involved. If I was a Para Hills/Modbury/Salisbury player, I wouldn't have a team to play in simply because I'm not good enough to make their reserves. Watching is fine but playing is what its all about. That's what Amateur clubs can offer and that helps build supporters. Their is probably a little more loyalty in the SAASL than the Feds. That support though leads to bigger attendances, more leads for sponsorship, more purchases over the bar/bbq and ultimately makes teams more viable and can afford to pay some players if they choose to do that.

As for the clubs and what their motivation is, most are just happy to be succesful in the SAASL. There are so many derbies and big games in each division between rivals that its enough to keep teams from chasing higher leagues. The current structure and running of the FFSA puts a lot of clubs off also. Besides, we survive by having Downs, West, Vale, Florina, Vista, Gully etc come to our games and drinking our beer and eating our food. Our supporters/neutrals wouldn't come to watch us play Northern Demons, Western Toros or Seaford.

People from the bigger clubs may have different opinions but there is my opinion from a midsized club.

[M Andrea]

Hey Lionman - Lose respect!!!. So climbing the social ladder (Soccer elite ladder) means losing respect does it. A common worker working in a factory works hard and gets to manager or running the factory because of his hard work, is that losing respect? Abramovic, or what ever he's called, with chelsea, has he lost respect?? We strive to be the best at what we can do and if that means money helping a team do that, then so be it. Lose respect? ask Gardens, downs, Farm and florina what they think of each other. The respect is what is shown off the field between these clubs and not what's on the pitch. Hospitality, crowd behaviour etc etc is a form of respect. Buying a championship is called working hard to achieve that. Look at all the teams or 99% of them that have won a Div 1 Championship, those teams payed good money to players to win those leagues. Money does eventually dry up after a few years but that's the window to win you premierships!
So i'll go back to my first post, work harder in getting the sponsors you need and earn the respect of fellow clubs for your offield rather than onfield. Oh, you must be one of those clubs (members) with no money. Typical of someone with NO Money, all envy and no guts for glory.

[swannsong]

Hey Lionman - Lose respect!!!. So climbing the social ladder (Soccer elite ladder) means losing respect does it. A common worker working in a factory works hard and gets to manager or running the factory because of his hard work, is that losing respect? Abramovic, or what ever he's called, with chelsea, has he lost respect?? We strive to be the best at what we can do and if that means money helping a team do that, then so be it. Lose respect? ask Gardens, downs, Farm and florina what they think of each other. The respect is what is shown off the field between these clubs and not what's on the pitch. Hospitality, crowd behaviour etc etc is a form of respect. Buying a championship is called working hard to achieve that. Look at all the teams or 99% of them that have won a Div 1 Championship, those teams payed good money to players to win those leagues. Money does eventually dry up after a few years but that's the window to win you premierships!
So i'll go back to my first post, work harder in getting the sponsors you need and earn the respect of fellow clubs for your offield rather than onfield. Oh, you must be one of those clubs (members) with no money. Typical of someone with NO Money, all envy and no guts for glory.

It isn't always totally about working hard and pumping in money.
Many northern clubs are fortunate to have had benefit from the early Elizabeth and Salisbury councils setting aside large open recreational areas such as Argana Park, Dauntsey Road, Mofflin Reserve etc. combined with long term leases. These areas were partly due to the work of the early E&DJSA lobbying the Council for playing fields.
Having played most of my Amateur football with Elizabeth Downs in the North and spent several year involved with football in the South you observe a definite difference.
Some of the Southern, Eastern and Western football Clubs have become nomadic, moving from ground to ground due to lack of facilities or having to share with other organisations, often denying them independent financial stability.
In reference ti Kitchimo's points, one of the drawbacks for these well established Amateur clubs stepping across to the FFSA is the vast differences in affiliaton fees....I'm sure some of the State and Premier league teams would gladly swap affiliation fees

[lionman]

Hey Lionman - Lose respect!!!. So climbing the social ladder (Soccer elite ladder) means losing respect does it. A common worker working in a factory works hard and gets to manager or running the factory because of his hard work, is that losing respect? Abramovic, or what ever he's called, with chelsea, has he lost respect?? We strive to be the best at what we can do and if that means money helping a team do that, then so be it. Lose respect? ask Gardens, downs, Farm and florina what they think of each other. The respect is what is shown off the field between these clubs and not what's on the pitch. Hospitality, crowd behaviour etc etc is a form of respect. Buying a championship is called working hard to achieve that. Look at all the teams or 99% of them that have won a Div 1 Championship, those teams payed good money to players to win those leagues. Money does eventually dry up after a few years but that's the window to win you premierships!
So i'll go back to my first post, work harder in getting the sponsors you need and earn the respect of fellow clubs for your offield rather than onfield. Oh, you must be one of those clubs (members) with no money. Typical of someone with NO Money, all envy and no guts for glory.

Not about money for me, it was about winning a championship, offcourse if they offered more I would have taken it, the club didnt need to fork out big bucks, but still got the quality to take it out, I think that is a sign of respect for both club and coach.
You do what you have to, but im not envious, have money, and silverware

[lionman]

It isn't always totally about working hard and pumping in money.
Many northern clubs are fortunate to have had benefit from the early Elizabeth and Salisbury councils setting aside large open recreational areas such as Argana Park, Dauntsey Road, Mofflin Reserve etc. combined with long term leases. These areas were partly due to the work of the early E&DJSA lobbying the Council for playing fields.
Having played most of my Amateur football with Elizabeth Downs in the North and spent several year involved with football in the South you observe a definite difference.
Some of the Southern, Eastern and Western football Clubs have become nomadic, moving from ground to ground due to lack of facilities or having to share with other organisations, often denying them independent financial stability.
In reference ti Kitchimo's points, one of the drawbacks for these well established Amateur clubs stepping across to the FFSA is the vast differences in affiliaton fees....I'm sure some of the State and Premier league teams would gladly swap affiliation fees [/quote]

[Judge Judy]

Providing them a reason to enjoy the club is more important sometimes than the amount you offer.

good point mate, I could probably take another $200 pay cut if it meant you guys kept letting me win darts

bah thats only coz Im not there

Pigs arse, I'll clean you up these days When you coming back buddy? Hope the missus and kid are doing well x

Providing them a reason to enjoy the club is more important sometimes than the amount you offer.

good point mate, I could probably take another $200 pay cut if it meant you guys kept letting me win darts

We are kind to people for the first year at the club in darts. Just wait till I get back to knock you out of KILLER

Dreaming. The closest you'll get to knocking me out of Killer is escorting me out when ROBBO puts his fucking Killers DVD on for the 100th time this season.

[kinghenrik]

as a member of the ingle farm soccer club i am definately flattered that certain people feel we are in the same economic bracket as florina, downs and gardens. our reasonable form must've led you to that assumption. the fact we attract the decent players we do for such little financial return to themselves is a great testament to the club culture down at walkley park. to answer your question robbo, money helps but it is not the only ingredient for success. i just hope one day we can prove that theory.

[cole_trickle]

as a member of the ingle farm soccer club i am definately flattered that certain people feel we are in the same economic bracket as florina, downs and gardens. our reasonable form must've led you to that assumption. the fact we attract the decent players we do for such little financial return to themselves is a great testament to the club culture down at walkley park. to answer your question robbo, money helps but it is not the only ingredient for success. i just hope one day we can prove that theory.

Never gonna happen, too many fenians around the club.

[legga]

A solid junior base as well is one if the keys to sucess..

[Ubietz]

When is Sheikh Mansour planning on taking over at Florina?

Will you guys be getting Ireland, Adebayor, Vieira and Bellamy?

[Outlaw 2.0]

When is Sheikh Mansour planning on taking over at Florina?

Will you guys be getting Ireland, Adebayor, Vieira and Bellamy?

Don't be silly we all know you can't put Adebayor and Bellamy in the same side

[KING NUGGETT]

A solid junior base as well is one if the keys to sucess..

I totally agree legga

[Outlaw 2.0]

A solid junior base as well is one if the keys to sucess..

I totally agree legga

Tell that to Tea Tree Gully :?

[KING NUGGETT]

Its one of the Keys to success Knuckle Head especially long term success

[Ubietz]

When is Sheikh Mansour planning on taking over at Florina?

Will you guys be getting Ireland, Adebayor, Vieira and Bellamy?

Don't be silly we all know you can't put Adebayor and Bellamy in the same side

Shut up white Emile Heskey!

[lefty]

A solid junior base as well is one if the keys to sucess..

I totally agree legga

Tell that to Tea Tree Gully :?

Better than no base at all & thats why your windows about to shut

[cbf gk]

how much does any1 think etc about how much gardens spend a year on wages when they pay freddy $800 a week? providing he doesn't injure himself at footy each week

[legga]

What ever they pay they would get it back and some in money nugget would spend on food at home games

[Outlaw 2.0]

When is Sheikh Mansour planning on taking over at Florina?

Will you guys be getting Ireland, Adebayor, Vieira and Bellamy?

Don't be silly we all know you can't put Adebayor and Bellamy in the same side

Shut up white Emile Heskey!

Harsh but fair

[lefty]

how much does any1 think etc about how much gardens spend a year on wages when they pay freddy $800 a week? providing he doesn't injure himself at footy each week

20 pieces of corn a week if they win (1 per player each week except a few of the boys have some after training because they like it) so not that much really. Do you know where I can buy good quality corn at a cheap price surely someone at your club still grows it as it would save us some money. Obviously your players have had enough of it over the years which is why your in Div 2 so maybe next year if you find some new players start giving them corn again when your in Div 3 trying to get promoted again.

I'd like to think we will win 14 games this season so that makes 280 pieces of corn for the year so let me know if you have someone that can help out next year we would even put them on our sponsor board.