Provisional League Structure 2010

[Vale_boy05]

Did commone sense pre VALE last year when Western Strikers were put in Division 5 and dominated pretty much every game by 6+ goals?

Get over it with this Pirie thing.

Western Strikers wont be around in 3 to 4 years as we know it - they will hit a wall soon as they go higher up and the group gets older - u think all players from Super League strikers team will end up there? if this was the case then Beograd, Croatia and Blue Eagles would be in Div 1 by now but it doesn't work that way.

With Port Pirie they will be around for the next 40 years as there history shows and will be a strong team as they have the money and are backed by the local community.

Get over this whinging - if any teams should be whinging it should be the teams in Div 2 like Knights, Inter etc who think they are a chance to go up as Pirie has made it that much harder now.

I think it is a great coup for the League to have Pirie in under the SAASL banner.[/quote]

And thats what the SAASL would of been thinking when they made the decision!

Whinge Whinge Fu@*ing Whinge

[guti]

Did commone sense pre VALE last year when Western Strikers were put in Division 5 and dominated pretty much every game by 6+ goals?

Get over it with this Pirie thing.

Western Strikers wont be around in 3 to 4 years as we know it - they will hit a wall soon as they go higher up and the group gets older - u think all players from Super League strikers team will end up there? if this was the case then Beograd, Croatia and Blue Eagles would be in Div 1 by now but it doesn't work that way.

With Port Pirie they will be around for the next 40 years as there history shows and will be a strong team as they have the money and are backed by the local community.

Get over this whinging - if any teams should be whinging it should be the teams in Div 2 like Knights, Inter etc who think they are a chance to go up as Pirie has made it that much harder now.

I think it is a great coup for the League to have Pirie in under the SAASL banner.

I'm quite for Port Pirie being incorporated into the SAASL. I have a vested interest in, and have always kept tabs on the fortunes of Savoia - something that not many people know about. The issue itself isn't Port Pirie - it's the way the SAASL has managed it. It's not whinging, whinging is when you have a cry without having proper justification(which Hawkesy does all the time).

[ManCityMan]

Let's have a look at this thing....
Port Pirie did not want to be kicked out of the FFSA competition, it was not their choice.
SAASL have been strong enough to make a tough call to allow a Club, established long before most Amateur clubs, to continue at a level befitting Pirie’s stature. As I am now involved with a Sunday Division 2 club, this decision will have some impact on Southern Knights and the other teams in that division…one club may miss out on promotion or may be relegated at the end of 2010 due to Pirie’s inclusion…..but that’s football.
Hypothetically, placing Pirie in a lower division might have disadvantaged other lower division clubs denying them a promotion opportunity.
USC Lion have struggled a bit of late and are themselves a well established club, if the SAASL management committee has brokered a deal to appease both Clubs and permit Piries to continue on in the SAASL, I commend them for it, maybe not the right decision for all, but one that required some balls to make.
I think there are a lot of people out there whingeing about the decision…..but that’s football (what would football be without whingeing !)
Brokered deals happen all the time in business, law, government…chin up and move on IMO

Clubs on Saturdays have consistently been denied promotion opportunities by much better and more deserving clubs being placed at the bottom. Adelaide Villa and Salisbury Villa were ridiculously made to start at the bottom (Division 3 at the time). Adelaide Villa beat another team 22-0 if I remember correctly. The SAASL continued the precedent this year with Adelaide Pumas going into the bottom division (Division 4 at the time).

To call it "just football" is a cop out - it means one rule for some, and one rule for the rest of the league. Port Pirie and USC should either be one merged club in Sunday Division 2, or they should both be starting in Sunday Division 5 and Saturday Division 4 respectively.

The 22-0 thing was against a team that everyone smashed, we are still in div 3 (albeit after a 1 year up and down to div 2) with Adelaide Uni 2 but we still managed to beat that team 15-0 - wasn't just villa.

As a team that in the starting division I have to agree with the Pirie guy that is depressing knowing that the best you can hope for is 2nd when the new team comes in a lower league - god help you if 2 teams come in the same year - all you can hope for is to not be relegated...

[Die Yuppie Die]

I think it is a great coup for the League to have Pirie in under the SAASL banner.

No one is disputing this. As a new entrant to the competition they should be starting at the bottom like everyone else.

[Die Yuppie Die]

As for the lower divisions, if its a club's third team then we should call it a C Team league, not division 6 etc

I agree. But that would be the "common sense" that people say should prevail.

[bigpond]

No one is disputing this. As a new entrant to the competition they should be starting at the bottom like everyone else.

u guys just dont get it.

They r only in cos Lion wanted out - they would not have gone to Div 2 if Lion didn't pull out - it was there only chance and Pirie and the SAASL took it.

If the chance came again and a team relegated from Div 1 wanted out to Sat. league and SAASL had a team with 40 years plus history like Pirie eg. Northern Demons it would and should happen again.

They would not have doen it for a team like Gawler or Toros if they wanted to pull out of the state league and a position came up like it did this year with Lion.

They have done it with a team that deserves it - end of story.

I hope they come straight up and we get to play them cos the pre season game we had last year was awesome - great road trip.

[Die Yuppie Die]

It's you who doesn't get it.

[Gabon]

Some valid points there big pond but for me Kitchimo is spot on.

[Vale_boy05]

well guess what??

PIRIE IS IN DIV 2

And like Bigpond said, i hope they go straight up! Roadtrips are a really good part of football!

[swannsong]

To call it "just football" is a cop out - it means one rule for some, and one rule for the rest of the league. Port Pirie and USC should either be one merged club in Sunday Division 2, or they should both be starting in Sunday Division 5 and Saturday Division 4 respectively.

Totally agree.

Totally don't

[Certified Head Case]

The division two teams should boycott/forfiet their matches on principle.

[swannsong]

The division two teams should boycott/forfiet their matches on principle.

No they shouldn't

[Jay Walking]

The division two teams should boycott/forfiet their matches on principle.

Why, so they can make sure Pirie are in the Premier League next year?

[guti]

The division two teams should boycott/forfiet their matches on principle.

Why, so they can make sure Pirie are in the Premier League next year?

good call

There's always two sides to every argument (and more, I should know), the SAASL has made their decision (however poor I feel it is), and we just have to deal with it. I would love a road trip to Port Pirie (hope we draw them in the Cup).

[Gabon]

The division two teams should boycott/forfiet their matches on principle.

Why, so they can make sure Pirie are in the Premier League next year?

good call

There's always two sides to every argument (and more, I should know), the SAASL has made their decision (however poor I feel it is), and we just have to deal with it. I would love a road trip to Port Pirie (hope we draw them in the Cup).

Agree, we are in the league & are looking forward to organising a road trip (bus) or stayover.

I would hope though that Port Pirie are accomadating to the teams in their league by being flexible with days (Saturday games ) and kick off times (earlier on a Sunday )
as not only would they weclome themselves to the league they would also allow other clubs to make a weekend/night out of it and they would benefit over the bar.

[Lucas Leiva]

FYI that pdf on the SAASL website has changed...different teams in some divisions now. Adelaide Uni now have 4 teams, one in each division?

[laney]

When the jets reformed after leaving east side.WE took over the pines as sunday div 3 so we did'nt start back in div6. Then we changed to sat and they put us in div2.Dont ask me how it happened.

[Aldo Serena]

Ultimately, the decision rests with the SAASL - but I would have thought they should have been more up front about things, rather than the Port Pirie/Lion 'merging'.

By the way, what would have happened if Lion was not transferring to Saturdays? Would Port Pirie have started from the lowest division?

[Jay Walking]

Ultimately, the decision rests with the SAASL - but I would have thought they should have been more up front about things, rather than the Port Pirie/Lion 'merging'.

By the way, what would have happened if Lion was not transferring to Saturdays? Would Port Pirie have started from the lowest division?

I would of thought so. Imagine telling the Div 3 team who finish second that they weren't getting promoted or the 8th placed Div 2 team they were getting relegated.

[guti]

FYI that pdf on the SAASL website has changed...different teams in some divisions now. Adelaide Uni now have 4 teams, one in each division?

Link? Looks the same to me?

[Lucas Leiva]

yesterday Cougars were in Div 2 but now they're back in Div 3.

Also have never seen 4 Adelaide Uni teams before.

[tibbaw]

This topic is a joke. Pirie will likely go straight up if they retain the same players, starting any lower would have just been an insult to both Pirie and the wannabes in the lower divisions that still try to win. Show some sympathy for a club with a long proud history that is now having to settle for a game in the second division of amateurs. This does nothing more than strengthen the league. If they started any lower then the league would have been completely lopsided, or half the Pirie squad would have left due to not being happy playing against duds every week. Either way that would have been poor for the league. Logic prevailed.

[Brown paper bag crew]

This topic is a joke. Pirie will likely go straight up if they retain the same players, starting any lower would have just been an insult to both Pirie and the wannabes in the lower divisions that still try to win. Show some sympathy for a club with a long proud history that is now having to settle for a game in the second division of amateurs. This does nothing more than strengthen the league. If they started any lower then the league would have been completely lopsided, or half the Pirie squad would have left due to not being happy playing against duds every week. Either way that would have been poor for the league. Logic prevailed.

How about you and your merry band of supporters show some sympathy/respect to the fee paying membership clubs of the SAASL who each year fight their way through the league hoping for promotion to the next division.

The SAASL back scratchers, who have a policy of 'we take your money and make all the decisions without following any set guidelines or any consultation with our members' had 2 choices. As has happened in the past when this has happened promote an extra team from Div 3 Sundays and Div 4 Saturdays, or give a free pass to 2 new teams straight into Div 2 Sun and Div 3 Saturday at the expense of teams who spent the whole of last season busting their guts to take that spot only to fall 1 place short.

The SAASL made their choice, we've dealth with it, we didnt expect to be promoted from 3rd place so it was never in the equation, but dont come here telling us Pirie, a team who hasnt even been part of the SAASL for many years, currently had no afffiliation with the SAASL, cannot guarantee any former federation players will even play, and is located 3 fookin hours away from Adelaide CBD, nor Lion who did nothing last year to prove they were better than any div 4 saturday side, deserve preferential treatment over long serving hard working SAASL clubs.

Some cosistency in SAASL decisions would be nice, as all this does is again give the appearance of dodgy backdoor dealings. We pay our fees and have set rules and regulations to follow. So should they

We'll certainly be looking at Pirie results this year keenly. I'd expect nothing but promotion to div 1 for a club which is claimed to be far too superior for any division below Div 2.

Mon the Bra!

[Knight7]

I look forward to the trip to Pirie, I don't think they will be unbeatable but lets wait and see. The reserves are more of an issue we struggle away at the best of times although perhaps fringe players like me will get a run

Ayway hope Pirie have good well priced beers

[tibbaw]

This topic is a joke. Pirie will likely go straight up if they retain the same players, starting any lower would have just been an insult to both Pirie and the wannabes in the lower divisions that still try to win. Show some sympathy for a club with a long proud history that is now having to settle for a game in the second division of amateurs. This does nothing more than strengthen the league. If they started any lower then the league would have been completely lopsided, or half the Pirie squad would have left due to not being happy playing against duds every week. Either way that would have been poor for the league. Logic prevailed.

How about you and your merry band of supporters show some sympathy/respect to the fee paying membership clubs of the SAASL who each year fight their way through the league hoping for promotion to the next division.

The SAASL back scratchers, who have a policy of 'we take your money and make all the decisions without following any set guidelines or any consultation with our members' had 2 choices. As has happened in the past when this has happened promote an extra team from Div 3 Sundays and Div 4 Saturdays, or give a free pass to 2 new teams straight into Div 2 Sun and Div 3 Saturday at the expense of teams who spent the whole of last season busting their guts to take that spot only to fall 1 place short.

The SAASL made their choice, we've dealth with it, we didnt expect to be promoted from 3rd place so it was never in the equation, but dont come here telling us Pirie, a team who hasnt even been part of the SAASL for many years, currently had no afffiliation with the SAASL, cannot guarantee any former federation players will even play, and is located 3 fookin hours away from Adelaide CBD, nor Lion who did nothing last year to prove they were better than any div 4 saturday side, deserve preferential treatment over long serving hard working SAASL clubs.

Some cosistency in SAASL decisions would be nice, as all this does is again give the appearance of dodgy backdoor dealings. We pay our fees and have set rules and regulations to follow. So should they

We'll certainly be looking at Pirie results this year keenly. I'd expect nothing but promotion to div 1 for a club which is claimed to be far too superior for any division below Div 2.

Mon the Bra!

My respect is shown by suggesting they shouldn't be in the lower divisions where lopsided results would make the game less fun for all involved. I guarantee you former federation players will play, they're not going to lose their entire squad, that's a ridiculous generalistic statement to suggest otherwise. All hard working clubs that are still playing in lower divisions are still there for one reason, they are not very good. If you want to play div 1, then be a better player and if you already are, then play for a better club.

[Brown paper bag crew]

My respect is shown by suggesting they shouldn't be in the lower divisions where lopsided results would make the game less fun for all involved. I guarantee you former federation players will play, they're not going to lose their entire squad, that's a ridiculous generalistic statement to suggest otherwise. All hard working clubs that are still playing in lower divisions are still there for one reason, they are not very good. If you want to play div 1, then be a better player and if you already are, then play for a better club.

Once again your getting ahead of yourself. You have absolutely no idea how lopsided the results would. Your team was a pi$$ poor excuse in the state league. Dont try and belittle teams in the lower divisions, many just like yours should have been, have started at the bottom and are working their way up the standard way, through winning and promotion, not by having mates in high places.

My 'generalistic statement' about there being no gaurantee that all your federation players stay is just as generalistic as you saying they will. So dont try play that card. This is the amatuer league buddy, if your players are half as good as they think they are they wouldnt be wasting their time coming down to adelaide every second week to play in div 2 and get lumps kicked out of them, they will try their luck at another fed club. Amatuer contracts are just that, amatuer, they can pretty much do what they like during the year.

I am already a better player, actually im flippen awesome. Of course i have no proof to give you of this, but hey, you seem to be able to class your assumptions as fact, so i shall too. Oh and my club sh!ts on yours.

[ronaldinho10]

i just wanna say "brown paper bag crew" is by far the most logical guy on here.

[Jay Walking]

We all work hard for our respective clubs. Weather your club is one year old or 50 years old, it takes a lot of people a lot of work to run a club. I don't think that anything spoken re Port Pirie has anyone saying that Brahma shouldn't be in there. So whilst I understand where you are coming from Brown Paper Bag, I think yours is a seperate issue.B ramha are a great club which lots of hard working people but I don't think that means you should get the spare spot by default.

Whilst it wasn't great PR by the league, I do think Pirie take that vacant Div 2 spot. Its an unpopular but correct decision. The more social clubs in Div 4 & 5 wouldn't drive to Pirie to start with, something that the league needs to consider as Pirie may get relegated.

I would ask all the Brahma Lodge "Celtic supporters" that most of you want Celtic and Rangers to join the English Premier League, should they have to start in the Non League though to earn the right to eventually get to the Premier League. I'm guessing most of you think they should join the EPL straight away. Sure they are different standards (EPL v SAASL) but the principal is the same.

If USC Lion had not folded/mergered as such, it would of been interesting to see where Port Pirie would of played

[ontheblackburner]

When Gretna left the English FA to join the Scottish FA they joined the league in the bottom division.

When Gretna went broke, the team that replaced them joined the leage in the bottom division.

More worringly is the fact that Port Pirie Savoy have a 'home' and 'away' squad. They are recruiting players in Adelaide who dont have to train and are only required to play fortnightly at away games and are being 'compensated' for their efforts.

[Jay Walking]

When Gretna left the English FA to join the Scottish FA they joined the league in the bottom division.

When Gretna went broke, the team that replaced them joined the leage in the bottom division.

More worringly is the fact that Port Pirie Savoy have a 'home' and 'away' squad. They are recruiting players in Adelaide who dont have to train and are only required to play fortnightly at away games and are being 'compensated' for their efforts.

Whats wrong with that?