Quarter Final: Spain v italy

[Madridista612]

LOL if you don't care why keep posting, furthermore if you don't have anything to contribute to the arguement....why keep posting just admit that you have nothing to go on and we can move on. I love Italians, the people, I love the country, I love the food but when it comes to the national team and the football in general...it reeks of corruption, cheating, cheap tactics and luck.

Madrista, how do you feel that Greece have won a tournament and Spain haven't

Spain have won 2 tournaments, Euro 1964 and Olympics 1994. What a

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[getborn]

Spain have won 2 tournaments, Euro 1964 and Olympics 1994. What a

thats some history.

i take back anything negative i have ever said about spain,,,

powerhouses of world football.

[Hillsfootball]

What's amusing me is that you don't have a single arguement in the world and all you can do is insult...how about you give evidence as to why my points are so ludicrous? See there's a difference between me insulting your intelligence because you have no point whatsoever and you just insulting my intelligence because your stupid and have nothing meaningful to say.

Hey Madridista,

The problem is that you seem to have "a deep hate" towards Italy (football only) and tend to place all of Italy achievements under the same topic of "cheating". Your hate is irrational and influence your objectivity.
I acknolwedge that in some cases Italians may have "influenced results or tried to". However, many achievements are fair. Here some examples: The 1938 World Cup was won in France in a very hostile enviroment, due to politcal reasons. No help there. In the 1982 World cup, accidentally in Spain, Italy beat Brasil, at the time one of the best team in the world. None ever complained of cheating in that game. Italy lost a World cup at home in 1990.
If we follow your logic, Italy should have won that tournament then.
Take a good look at Spain achievements and with the players that it had at its disposal over the years, you have to acknowledge that it should have been able to win more.
Call it whetever you like it, but winning is not only based on luck. Spain may play beautiful football, but it not enough to win trophies.

[Madridista612]

What's amusing me is that you don't have a single arguement in the world and all you can do is insult...how about you give evidence as to why my points are so ludicrous? See there's a difference between me insulting your intelligence because you have no point whatsoever and you just insulting my intelligence because your stupid and have nothing meaningful to say.

Hey Madridista,

The problem is that you seem to have "a deep hate" towards Italy (football only) and tend to place all of Italy achievements under the same topic of "cheating". Your hate is irrational and influence your objectivity.
I acknolwedge that in some cases Italians may have "influenced results or tried to". However, many achievements are fair. Here some examples: The 1938 World Cup was won in France in a very hostile enviroment, due to politcal reasons. No help there. In the 1982 World cup, accidentally in Spain, Italy beat Brasil, at the time one of the best team in the world. None ever complained of cheating in that game. Italy lost a World cup at home in 1990.
If we follow your logic, Italy should have won that tournament then.
Take a good look at Spain achievements and with the players that it had at its disposal over the years, you have to acknowledge that it should have been able to win more.
Call it whetever you like it, but winning is not only based on luck. Spain may play beautiful football, but it not enough to win trophies.

That's one of the more sensible posts. 1938....Italy cheated Spain out of progressing really I don't feel there should be any argument against that whatsoever, look up report after report if you like. 1982, Italy also played against Argentina and "muscled" Maradona out of the game, lots of fouls came his way and a blind eye was turned by the ref. Plus the clearly onside disallowed goal for Roger Milla that would have sent Italy crashing out in the group stage, Italy v Brazil was a good game and I can't complain about that. If you looked at my previous post you'll see that I blamed bad luck, political and racial tensions between Spanish players and bad performances...not just bad luck

[Missing Post Count]

Why are we even arguing about games that happened years ago?

[Roman Gladiator 04]

Spain have won 2 tournaments, Euro 1964 and Olympics 1994. What a

thats some history.

i take back anything negative i have ever said about spain,,,

powerhouses of world football.[/quote]

[JUVE 11]

Spain have won 2 tournaments, Euro 1964 and Olympics 1994.

BTW, smart ass get your facts straight THERE WAS NO OLYMPICS in 1994 !!!!
Surley with the only acheivement Spain have won during your lifetime you should remember the year. 1992 DH.
AND not to mention on home soil also (a big advantage)
In the Lovely city of BARCELONA not Madrid,
AND In the Lovely Stadium of Camp Nou, not the Bernabeu.





WOW !!!!!! What a successfull Football nation !!!!!!

A Euro 44 years ago !!,
Do you watch the replay in black and white footage, and wish you could see the actuall colour of the shirts they were wearing??

And an under 23 Tournament in 1992 on (on home soil and on home ground) that Australia made the semi finals of. (shows the pedegree of competion)

This coming from the guy who says we should be embarassed supporting Italy, 4 times World Champions.



Can it ge any funnier ??

[TheInterMan]

Why are we even arguing about games that happened years ago?

Because Madridista is a tool and brings them up thats why.

[Missing Post Count]

Why are we even arguing about games that happened years ago?

Because Madridista is a tool and brings them up thats why.

Not just that one but Lucas Neill two years ago and Korea 2002 have also been brough up recently. I'm more interested in the games that are coming up.

[Madridista612]

Not just that one but Lucas Neill two years ago and Korea 2002 have also been brough up recently. I'm more interested in the games that are coming up.

So why do you bring up statistics of previous encounters between teams? All i've done is explain a little about previous encounters that Italy have had with other teams....and i'm only doing that because one Il Duce decided it would be funny to call Spain shi.t in a thread.

[Juventino]

Mate seriously it frustrates me when people state things as facts when their completely wrong....CHECK your facts before you actually post them because it's just embarrassing when your wrong,

Take your own advice. Since when did Italy and Spain meet in 1938. Now stay with me here. Italy 1-0 Norway. Italy 3-1 France. Italy 2-1 Brazil. Italy 4-2 Hungary. Cmon man seriously it frustrates me when people state things as facts when their completely wrong. CHECK your facts before you actually post them because it's just embarrassing when your wrong. This is unacceptable.

[davidvilla]

ESPANIA ALL THE WAY

[Madridista612]

I stand corrected typo.....meant 1934

[Juventino]

And I still laugh that you cnsider an u23 tournament important. Must be when you win so little you cling onto any form of success.

[Madridista612]

It's not an under 23 tournament, it's considered a senior football tournament as opposed to a youth tournament, 3 players being allowed to be over the age of 23 I don't see how it could be classified as an under 23 tournament, do under 17 tournaments allow players over the age of 17?

[Juventino]

Yes they do. 18 and 19 year olds play in the actual tournament.

[Madridista612]

Relevant examples?

[Juventino]

U21 Euro Championships. Chiellini was 22 and he played. As did Palladino. And Rosina. Montolivo.

[Madridista612]

which year?

[Juventino]

last year.

If you are 17 at the time of the first qualifier you can play. Still means 18 and 19 year olds are there. A true u17 comp would have 15 year lds in it, but that it how it goes.

[TheInterMan]

It's not an under 23 tournament, it's considered a senior football tournament as opposed to a youth tournament, 3 players being allowed to be over the age of 23 I don't see how it could be classified as an under 23 tournament, do under 17 tournaments allow players over the age of 17?

Pft until its name change, our local league had u/23s and were allowed three over age players. Still called u/23s.

[Madridista612]

But qualifying is part of the tournament? So of course that makes perfect sense, so long as none of the players are over 17 when the qualifiers are on, but to make my point clearer. in the olympics 3 players of any age can be selected is that so in any youth football tournaments?

Pft until its name change, our local league had u/23s and were allowed three over age players. Still called u/23s.

LOL yeh and local leagues have teams that borrow players from the teams they're playing against because they don't have enough to play a game, local leagues also have tournaments in which if you draw....the amount of corners you had is a deciding factor on who the victor is.....as you can see local leagues don't exactly mirror professional football.

[TheInterMan]

But qualifying is part of the tournament? So of course that makes perfect sense, so long as none of the players are over 17 when the qualifiers are on, but to make my point clearer. in the olympics 3 players of any age can be selected is that so in any youth football tournaments?

Pft until its name change, our local league had u/23s and were allowed three over age players. Still called u/23s.

LOL yeh and local leagues have teams that borrow players from the teams they're playing against because they don't have enough to play a game, local leagues also have tournaments in which if you draw....the amount of corners you had is a deciding factor on who the victor is.....as you can see local leagues don't exactly mirror professional football.

WTF are you going on about. I'm talking about super/premier/state league. I don't know where you ripped those rules from, those things don't happen.

[Juventino]

Well for example Italy has made 16 world cups. One because of not entering, one because of not qualifying. The record for 1958 states 'did not qualify', not that they were in the first round of a tournament.

[Madridista612]

When I was in the Under 18's team, we played a tournament and lost the final 0-0...1-0 on corners. I didn't play state though, I played in a LOCAL league

[Juventino]

Yes well in SA there are no ridiculous rules to determine who wins a comp.

[TheInterMan]

So super league and the others wouldn't be considered a local league? You just want to have argument after argument.

Well my point still stands. Super/premier/state leagues had an u/23s league which could field 3 over age players. It was still considered an u/23s league.

[Juventino]

InterMan, he is from NSW, so dif. rules there.

[TheInterMan]

InterMan, he is from NSW, so dif. rules there.

Ahk didnt realise it. Pretty stupid rules there then.