E&D

[Hollygirl]

The only other association which has not signed with FFSA. I'd rather not mention them at this stage. It's not Noarlunga, they have signed.

Southern Districts have not joined with FFSA and they cover thousands of Primary School Children....currently children play for their school in SDJSL on Saturday mornings and play Fed on Sundays...they play school for fun with their mates and fed if they want to be more serious. If they joined with E & D does that mean that the kids could not play both school (SDJSA) and Fed?

[Mr DJ]

how are older players going to go back to it? cant imagine too many lads playing fed then going back to e&d for colts???
the e&d is there for kids to be able to play the game. if some get good enough to go on and play at a 'higher' level, then that is good. but ultimately lets face the truth, most kids wont be good enough to go on to super league and a-league etc. so the main point is to get kids outside and playing the sport, getting fit, meeting new friends.

im talking about the kids who grow up into adults. i acknowledge that not everyone is good enough to be in super league or a-league but im sayin clubs who keep affiliation with their youngsters are more likely to get them back when it comes to seniors aka e&d clubs with senior teams such as vale, para, downs various others.

those particular clubs are generally strong ones with good numbers e.g. vale, downs, gardens. i dont think too many of those teams could give two shits about fed. especially considering it is a big fat whopping waste of money and time at anything up to and including u17's.

[The Boss]

The only other association which has not signed with FFSA. I'd rather not mention them at this stage. It's not Noarlunga, they have signed.

Southern Districts have not joined with FFSA and they cover thousands of Primary School Children....currently children play for their school in SDJSL on Saturday mornings and play Fed on Sundays...they play school for fun with their mates and fed if they want to be more serious. If they joined with E & D does that mean that the kids could not play both school (SDJSA) and Fed?

I was referring to associations who are affiliated with SAJSA. I don't believe that SDJSL is part of that. Even if E&D affiliate with SAASL, each association will still run their own leagues as previous, nothing would change.

[Grouch]

I think that you are all Shiraz. As the FFSA is the governing body of Football in SA they should be in control of all Football and I cannot see any future for these other associations if they keep carrying on like they have. They both have forgotten that being the only body sanctioned by the FFA and FIFA they have the powers that the remanding doesn’t. All this talk is typical of clubs and associations that like to stay in the dark ages and are always too concerned with their back pocket. There has been talk of the fed being broke, but in what details as the fed is a Government run body I see no problem, as all Government bodies are broke but still carry on. Its these associations that give football a bad name and you should all pull your head out of the sand and support the only recognised body in SA being the FFSA.

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[James]

If the E&D dont join the FFSA does that mean E&D have the authority to not adopt the SSG revolution? Or will the E&D answer to the FFA direct?

IMO the SSG change needs to introduced without question from any association.

[Grouch]

If the E&D dont join the FFSA does that mean E&D have the authority to not adopt the SSG revolution? Or will the E&D answer to the FFA direct?

IMO the SSG change needs to introduced without question from any association.

As I understand the E&D have to answer to the governing body of football with in its state being the FFSA therefore, I believe that the E&D would have no choice in it as I can tell. I don’t thing they realise that to carry out the sport of football in this state / country they must comply with the FFA which in turn would direct them back to the FFSA therefore I believe they are causing harm to themselves if they don’t join as they require to be sanctioned by the FFSA.

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As I understand the E&D have to answer to the governing body of football with in its state being the FFSA - they dont have to - they were asked to and declined

[The Boss]

I think that you are all Shiraz. As the FFSA is the governing body of Football in SA they should be in control of all Football and I cannot see any future for these other associations if they keep carrying on like they have. They both have forgotten that being the only body sanctioned by the FFA and FIFA they have the powers that the remanding doesn’t. All this talk is typical of clubs and associations that like to stay in the dark ages and are always too concerned with their back pocket. There has been talk of the fed being broke, but in what details as the fed is a Government run body I see no problem, as all Government bodies are broke but still carry on. Its these associations that give football a bad name and you should all pull your head out of the sand and support the only recognised body in SA being the FFSA.

Grouch, I think you should get your facts straight before you comment. E&D and their clubs would be more than happy join FFSA and we all realise that it will benefit football in this state to do so. It has nothing to do with "dark ages" or "back pocket", it has to do with simple negotiating skills. If you really want something, you should do anything to get it. By cutting someone off, painting them into a corner and trying to force the issue has never worked and it never will.

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E&D and their clubs would be more than happy join FFSA - I know of one club E&D club president that is very much against the FFSA umm

I do think that if things could have been handle differently by all concerned the outcomes could have been different. But thats just my opinion

[The Boss]

If the E&D dont join the FFSA does that mean E&D have the authority to not adopt the SSG revolution? Or will the E&D answer to the FFA direct?

IMO the SSG change needs to introduced without question from any association.

If the E&D dont join the FFSA does that mean E&D have the authority to not adopt the SSG revolution?

IMO I think basically in the end the answer to this question is no unless there were constitutional changes first by the E&D.

Or will the E&D answer to the FFA direct? I doubt it only the state bodies will be reporting to the FFA.

Which could have a twist next year if the SAASL joins the FFSA with the E&D being linked with the SAASL. Pressures will be put on the E&D directly and indirectly to conform.

Theres a lot of ifs buts and water to go under the bridge before any major changes occur.

SSG is one of the biggest stumbling blocks at the moment. Is it just another fad like "Rooball & Grassroots" and are we adopting it for the right reasons? Will it morph again in the next year or two into something else when they realise that it is a nightmare? I feel sorry for the kids, parents and coaches in FFSA juniors who will opt out for this very reason.
Perhaps one should ask what system our Adelaide United players and other successful Australians overseas came through as juniors? The answer is not SSG. In fact, if you care to check with the United guys as to where their own children play, I think you will find the answer is E&D modified rules. The proof is in the pudding.
SSG is a great training tool, that's all it will ever be and Futsal should be the competetive version of it.

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But is the E&D way producing some good players when possibly larger numbers of good players could be produced if SSG's were to be implemented

[The Boss]

But is the E&D way producing some good players when possibly larger numbers of good players could be produced if SSG's were to be implemented

That is the million dollar question. There is no evidence yet as no-one in the world has had it long enough.
I wouldn't expect too many goalkeepers coming through the system.

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There is no evidence yet as no-one in the world has had it long enough

What is the longest a country has been using SSG's? And which country would that be?

[The Boss]

There is no evidence yet as no-one in the world has had it long enough

What is the longest a country has been using SSG's? And which country would that be?

You tell me and we will all know. I went to a SSG promotion and the FFSA couldn't answer it. Many countries have been playing Futsal and countries like Brazil have been playing a form of "street soccer" for generations. The true "SSG" as it is being promoted now has been adopted by the U.S. and Scotland in 1995. There have been a lot of studies into it already and the only thing to come out of it is that players get more touches (hello) and that it is a great training tool.
I know a coach that was in Scotland recently and already their clubs are having to look outside their own junior system more than ever to find quality palyers.

[Mr DJ]

There is no evidence yet as no-one in the world has had it long enough

What is the longest a country has been using SSG's? And which country would that be?

You tell me and we will all know. I went to a SSG promotion and the FFSA couldn't answer it. Many countries have been playing Futsal and countries like Brazil have been playing a form of "street soccer" for generations. The true "SSG" as it is being promoted now has been adopted by the U.S. and Scotland in 1995. There have been a lot of studies into it already and the only thing to come out of it is that players get more touches (hello) and that it is a great training tool.
I know a coach that was in Scotland recently and already their clubs are having to look outside their own junior system more than ever to find quality palyers.

that not the greatest report. the thing is, is it a great training tool, or 'THE ANSWER'?

[James]

I spoke to a state team lad (15 y/o) who recently went on a tour of UK. I ask the question about how he compared. He said they were faster, stronger and smarter. Their skill level was far more superior than the SA boys. They do not play competative until 15. It s all academy stuff until 15.(individual development)

The E&D do produce good competative kids. But they lack soccer brains as a the primary approach is all about winning. It is inbuilt into the competition structure. (9 year olds playing for points!!)

I am a northern federation coach where the E+D kids feed to. The kids i have worked with have varing degrees of technical ability (kids with soccer parents, or a good coach seem to have better touch) but most of the kids lack the ability to apply tactics to take on a player. Alot put their heads down and try to force their way through. Others kids are happy to sit on outer and watch the stronger kids play. I believe this is the result of too many kids on one field at one time.

SSG will eliminate the competativness winning games and force the kids to play football.

E+D heirachy may be hesitant of competing in an environment where there a no points and no cups because there is nothing tangible for these coaches and clubs to bench mark themselves to.

If SSG is only a 'fad' then what is the answer? Definitely not competative leagues for kids.

[Raich Carter]

I spoke to a state team lad (15 y/o) who recently went on a tour of UK. I ask the question about how he compared. He said they were faster, stronger and smarter. Their skill level was far more superior than the SA boys. They do not play competative until 15. It s all academy stuff until 15.(individual development)

The E&D do produce good competative kids. But they lack soccer brains as a the primary approach is all about winning. It is inbuilt into the competition structure. (9 year olds playing for points!!)

I am a northern federation coach where the E+D kids feed to. The kids i have worked with have varing degrees of technical ability (kids with soccer parents, or a good coach seem to have better touch) but most of the kids lack the ability to apply tactics to take on a player. Alot put their heads down and try to force their way through. Others kids are happy to sit on outer and watch the stronger kids play. I believe this is the result of too many kids on one field at one time.

SSG will eliminate the competativness winning games and force the kids to play football.

If SSG is only a 'fad' then what is the answer? Definitely not competative leagues for kids.

I am not sure where this info came from but they do play competitive football from U9 up at academies, I saw this myself last year when visiting 5 academies. I think you will find they play for three saturdays against other academies then they have a development day

[James]

Do they play for points?

[BeNatural]

i find it so funny that E&D think that their way is the best way and do not like/want change.

SSG like many other things that is happening in FOotball in Australia is CHANGING.

CHANGING for the better.

SSG is played all over the world. It is played in different forms, beach, grass, street, gravel, indoor, etc.

Why not embrace this change in what the rest of Australia is doing and let the kids all play the same style of football.

WOnt it be funny in 2009 when every other Association in Australia will be playing SSG while E&D continue to do what they ahve been doing, against the res tof the country...

THE REST OF AUSTRALIA IS CHANGING, WHY NOT E&D?

[The Boss]

Malcolm,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. England is one of the nations that have decided not to introduce SSG. If you run academies you are going to produce quality. Same goes for E&D, FFSA or any league in the world, the quality comes from the coaching. Unfortunately when you rely on volunteers to coach, you are going to get a mixed bag, some good and some not so good. I have been involved in Zones and STIC and have seen it there too in both camps. By the way, Under 10's are competetive, Under 9's are still modified-no points.

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9's are still modified-no points - but they play on the big pitch - just to clarify

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[The Boss]

WOnt it be funny in 2009 when every other Association in Australia will be playing SSG while E&D continue to do what they ahve been doing, against the res tof the country...

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Won't it be even funnier in 2010 when they change it again to another style and name? It's changed twice already in as many years.
England, one of the powerhouses in football has said no thanks to SSG, why shouldn't Australia?
If you think no positional play and no goalies until U12 is the way to produce quality, think again. If they haven't got the understanding of how football is played by then, they won't get it.

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And if they cant basicaly kick/pass or control the ball by then there is also a problem.

I wonder why the number of English players playing in most EPL teams are so low?

England, one of the powerhouses in football umm that could be debated

[The Boss]

And if they cant basicaly kick/pass or control the ball by then there is also a problem.

I wonder why the number of English players playing in most EPL teams are so low?

England, one of the powerhouses in football umm that could be debated

Like I said, it's down to the coaching. Yes, they should all be playing SSG at training but not as a sport on Saturday.
England, Powerhouse as in revenue - too much money. Why waste your own money on developing within when you can buy what you want off the shelf. That has been their problem and they are hurting now because of it.

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