Referee instructions yesterday

[brutus01]

As regarding the clash of sock colour. Its in the SAASL competition rules and the Laws of the game. SAASL and SAASRA have been slack in eforcing the rule. The hame team has to change.

Jewellery
All items of jewellery (necklaces, rings, bracelets, earrings, leather bands, rubber bands, etc.) are
strictly forbidden and must be removed. Using tape to cover jewellery is not acceptable. The only
exception to this policy is players are permitted to wear medical alert bracelets or necklaces but they
must be ‘taped securely’ to the player with the information showing to allow for medical treatment.
Referees are also prohibited from wearing jewellery (except for a watch or similar device for timing the
match).

Undergarments
Jersey or shirt with sleeves – if undergarments are worn, the colour of the sleeve must be the same
main colour as the sleeve of the jersey or shirt. If sleeve has multiple colours (stripes), the team must
nominate one colour and all undergarments if worn must be the same colour.



Shorts – if undershorts or tights are worn, they must be of the same main colour as the shorts. Long
tight are now permitted, they must be of the same colour as the shorts.

NOTE: Skin colored undergarments is not allowed. Undergarments must be of the same colour
as of Shorts or Jersey, different shades of a colour is not recognised as the same colour.
Sports Manufactures are supplying shorts with compression undergarments as one unit. They
are only permitted to be worn if the undergarment is the same colour as the shorts.

Shin Guards
What is a shinguard?
In Law 4 shinguards...
- are covered entirely by the stockings
- are made of rubber, plastic or a similar suitable material
- provide a reasonable degree of protection

What does provide a reasonable degree of protection
mean?
- Shinguards should cover the length of your leg, from
ankle to knee minus one or two centremetres at each
end. (must cover at least 2/3 of shin)
- They should offer maximum protection to players.

Why wear shinguard?
- A shinguard, provides protection against a large range
of very serious leg injuries.
- The core function of a shin guard is to spread load over
wider areas, thus reducing the local impact force of
kicks, tackles or blows.


The SAASL has been provided with coaching sheets 1 month ago to email to all clubs.

C'mon, who runs this League - the Refs or the SAASL.
The governing body makes the rules not the Referees.
The Clubs should be telling the Ref that until they get told by the SAASL, they wont do anything.
Refs get some common sense...is it true the reason you want to go all black is because the lower leagues in the English FA do it?
Time for the SAASL to tell the Refs to pull their heads in.

[swannsong]

How come everyone suddenly needs skins ?

[Ernie Cooksey]

Next year it will be the boots have to match the socks, they make all colours now, no excuses.

[Ernie Cooksey]

How come everyone suddenly needs skins ?

Got thick thermal ones on doctors advice when playing in Scotland, about 7 years ago now, after season after season interrupted by injuries to groins hamstrings and drivers. Never had a problem since and won't play without them. Now have a pair of underarmour core compression shorts, pretty pricey, but worth it.

[penalty]

SAASL Comptition rules. Socks clash,the home team changes. Brahma Team manager misunderstood referee.

[Los Del Eague]

Next year it will be the boots have to match the socks, they make all colours now, no excuses.

Should be black only and either Puma Kings or Copa's..........end of

[BlackBrian_7]

How come everyone suddenly needs skins ?

Got thick thermal ones on doctors advice when playing in Scotland, about 7 years ago now, after season after season interrupted by injuries to groins hamstrings and drivers. Never had a problem since and won't play without them. Now have a pair of underarmour core compression shorts, pretty pricey, but worth it.

+1 on the underarmour gear. I don't know how it stacks up financially against the Skins brand but they definitely make good equipment.

[CaloTed]

A good ref is one we don't see or hear! At the moment I can see them and hear them which makes for some shit refs! That socks agenda is ridiculous! It will cost clubs over $1000 to get socks for the entire club if they force the issue through all grades! I used to be a ref but thank god I'm not doing it now cos that ref assoc is run by clowns with their own agenda! In my opinion the 22 players out there r the ones putting on the show! Not the bloody ref

[God is an Englishman]

clubs were told about all of these ages ago. I posted it on here once I received it via our club.

As for saasl telling the refs to pull their head in. Refs run the laws of the game, of which these are covered in them. A grade games cannot go ahead without refs, so if you refuse to change etc.. the game won't count.

[God is an Englishman]

How come everyone suddenly needs skins ?

Got thick thermal ones on doctors advice when playing in Scotland, about 7 years ago now, after season after season interrupted by injuries to groins hamstrings and drivers. Never had a problem since and won't play without them. Now have a pair of underarmour core compression shorts, pretty pricey, but worth it.

I has the same when I was in England. Numerous groin strains that were not as common when wearing them. I started wearing them about 15 years ago. Now it's become "fashionable".

[BlackBrian_7]

How come everyone suddenly needs skins ?

Got thick thermal ones on doctors advice when playing in Scotland, about 7 years ago now, after season after season interrupted by injuries to groins hamstrings and drivers. Never had a problem since and won't play without them. Now have a pair of underarmour core compression shorts, pretty pricey, but worth it.

I has the same when I was in England. Numerous groin strains that were not as common when wearing them. I started wearing them about 15 years ago. Now it's become "fashionable".

Are you trying to tell everyone that you are a fashion leader?

[bapa]

i wear skins, very good quality and lasts a couple fo seasons

but yeah, many players wear them for a fashion thing these days

[GK1]

the skins colour rule isn't new though, always been skin colour or colour of the shorts

the shin pad rule shoulod boost shin pad sales in the next few weeks

Skin colour not allowed same as predominant colour of the shorts only.

[Ernie Cooksey]

The Referee that done the Downs VS Brahma Lodge game yesterday had a chat to me about what the go is leading up to the season. Some very interesting points that I mentioned our club (Brahma) didnt know much about.

As of ROUND 1 the following rules/laws will be enforced by Referee's;

Ref's will speak to Team Managers and they will pass info onto players;

Skins - Must be same color as shorts, long leg skins are now fine to play in.
Jewellery - All visable Jewellery must be removed before the game starts.

With both of these rules BEING ENFORCED the Ref said if a player then takes the field with wrong colour skins or Jewellery they will be asked to leave the pitch and will return at the Referee's discretion.

He also checked that Goalkeepers shirts were not the same color and did not clash with the ref.

He went through the NEW shinpad rule, basically he said that unless a shinpad protects most of the shin they will not be allowed to play, he did have a really small pair of adidas shin pads (Ive seen alot of guys wear them) he said they would not be allowed to play in them.

AWAY TEAM SOCKS -2 teams are not allowed to be the same color as each other, we played the Downs they have black socks so do we, he said away team must change! (Not sure about shorts)

He did offer to Brahma and he said any club to contact him and he was more than happy to come down and chat to coaches/committee and players.

OK.... So, we hosted Uni yesterday, who chose to play the main fixture in their traditional referees kit, while their reserves wore white.
Big Steve was ref. Also in his traditional referees outfit. Let me elaborate, there were 11 people in the field of play with black shirts, shorts and socks.
Now while this opened the door for a couple of witty remarks from Hawkesy, like "Gee ref, you might as well be wearing a black shirt" and "somebody pick up the guy with the big nose, he's been free all game", it also paved the way for an inevitable sideline debate as to who is in the wrong here, who should change and why the game was allowed to start at all.
Now, as stipulated by league admin quite recently, it is the responsibility of the team in question and not the referee to change to avoid clashing, and I cant help but think that Steve's failure to pull it up yesterday has given the uni guys a bit of a leg to stand on when the season kicks off in a couple of weeks time... well, we had Big Steve aginst Modbury and he never said anything... a can of worms for sure.
While it would be an obvious suggestion to reverse the a's and b's kits, there is obviously a bit of digging their heels in on behalf of Uni. Their determination to stick with their traditional colours is obvious, although I can clearly recall a time not that long ago at all where Uni wore black and white stripes, a bit like Notts County, so the tag uni blacks is not totally descriptive is it?
But as far as I see it, Uni and other clubs that share this resolve are not the only ones at fault for being overly stubborn in this matter. A big pointy finger must also be aimed at the ref's themselves, their insistence that they will not be dictated to by the league or any club, is just creating unnecessary agro before a ball is even kicked and is counter productive to say the least. Let's face it, they aren't the most popular people out there on a weekend and they are hardly doing their cause any good by being so uncooperative. I did hear yesterday, from a very reliable source, that the league has in fact offered the ref's to buy them a change strip, which for some bullshit reason, was rebuffed by the refs, presumably because they are far too important to be the ones that have to change.
Our club ref was running the line... with a fluro yellow shirt and his opposite had a fluro bib on, yet the guy in the middle had the same colour shirt, shorts and socks as the away team. A bit of irony in that.
At the end of the day, common sense has to prevail here and the obvious easy solution here is for one man to change, as opposed to 14 men changing. I can only presume the refs have no real grasp of mathematics, or their heads are up their arses.
Either way, after all this cafuffle recently about the enforcing of these laws, we witnessed it all fall in a heap before the season has actually started. I keenly await any further developments in this fiasco, because I'm sure yesterday was just the tip of the iceberg.

[God Is No Englishman]

Aren't we always instructed to play the whistle? If the ref says change then change.

[Ernie Cooksey]

But he didn't. & by the new laws he should have. Obviously pre-season must have been an excuse, but it's given Uni a bit of ground for argument when the season proper kicks off I think.
It is only my opinion that the current law is not the easiest, most sensible solution in the event of a clash of colours with a referee and a whole team.

[Knight15]

We had the typical shocking referee yesterday. Big focus on shin pads, skins etc but couldn't get a decision right all game. Didn't favour either team or effect the outcome in any way but just very poor

[Porky]

[God is an Englishman]

I did hear yesterday, from a very reliable source, that the league has in fact offered the ref's to buy them a change strip, which for some Barossa Pearl reason, was rebuffed by the refs, presumably because they are far too important to be the ones that have to change.

Heard the same and the idea of 12 people on the pitch all wearing the same colour was ridiculous.

SAASRA apparently voted against it as they felt it would look like a club were dictating to refs.

Would have made a lot more sense to uni A's to wear white and allow black for the club refs who will more than likely just change.

[tibbaw]

The Referee that done the Downs VS Brahma Lodge game yesterday had a chat to me about what the go is leading up to the season. Some very interesting points that I mentioned our club (Brahma) didnt know much about.

As of ROUND 1 the following rules/laws will be enforced by Referee's;

Ref's will speak to Team Managers and they will pass info onto players;

Skins - Must be same color as shorts, long leg skins are now fine to play in.
Jewellery - All visable Jewellery must be removed before the game starts.

With both of these rules BEING ENFORCED the Ref said if a player then takes the field with wrong colour skins or Jewellery they will be asked to leave the pitch and will return at the Referee's discretion.

He also checked that Goalkeepers shirts were not the same color and did not clash with the ref.

He went through the NEW shinpad rule, basically he said that unless a shinpad protects most of the shin they will not be allowed to play, he did have a really small pair of adidas shin pads (Ive seen alot of guys wear them) he said they would not be allowed to play in them.

AWAY TEAM SOCKS -2 teams are not allowed to be the same color as each other, we played the Downs they have black socks so do we, he said away team must change! (Not sure about shorts)

He did offer to Brahma and he said any club to contact him and he was more than happy to come down and chat to coaches/committee and players.

OK.... So, we hosted Uni yesterday, who chose to play the main fixture in their traditional referees kit, while their reserves wore white.
Big Steve was ref. Also in his traditional referees outfit. Let me elaborate, there were 11 people in the field of play with black shirts, shorts and socks.
Now while this opened the door for a couple of witty remarks from Hawkesy, like "Gee ref, you might as well be wearing a black shirt" and "somebody pick up the guy with the big nose, he's been free all game", it also paved the way for an inevitable sideline debate as to who is in the wrong here, who should change and why the game was allowed to start at all.
Now, as stipulated by league admin quite recently, it is the responsibility of the team in question and not the referee to change to avoid clashing, and I cant help but think that Steve's failure to pull it up yesterday has given the uni guys a bit of a leg to stand on when the season kicks off in a couple of weeks time... well, we had Big Steve aginst Modbury and he never said anything... a can of worms for sure.
While it would be an obvious suggestion to reverse the a's and b's kits, there is obviously a bit of digging their heels in on behalf of Uni. Their determination to stick with their traditional colours is obvious, although I can clearly recall a time not that long ago at all where Uni wore black and white stripes, a bit like Notts County, so the tag uni blacks is not totally descriptive is it?
But as far as I see it, Uni and other clubs that share this resolve are not the only ones at fault for being overly stubborn in this matter. A big pointy finger must also be aimed at the ref's themselves, their insistence that they will not be dictated to by the league or any club, is just creating unnecessary agro before a ball is even kicked and is counter productive to say the least. Let's face it, they aren't the most popular people out there on a weekend and they are hardly doing their cause any good by being so uncooperative. I did hear yesterday, from a very reliable source, that the league has in fact offered the ref's to buy them a change strip, which for some Barossa Pearl reason, was rebuffed by the refs, presumably because they are far too important to be the ones that have to change.
Our club ref was running the line... with a fluro yellow shirt and his opposite had a fluro bib on, yet the guy in the middle had the same colour shirt, shorts and socks as the away team. A bit of irony in that.
At the end of the day, common sense has to prevail here and the obvious easy solution here is for one man to change, as opposed to 14 men changing. I can only presume the refs have no real grasp of mathematics, or their heads are up their arses.
Either way, after all this cafuffle recently about the enforcing of these laws, we witnessed it all fall in a heap before the season has actually started. I keenly await any further developments in this fiasco, because I'm sure yesterday was just the tip of the iceberg.

The referee also wore black in the pre-season cup semi-final. I asked him at the coin toss what he was going to do about the clash and he just started going off his head. At no point did he or Steve ask us to change to avoid this problem and they stubbonly stuck to their black top. If they were definitely in the right then they would be able to enforce us changing. As far as Uni are aware we are allowed to wear our black strip. I was told the committee had decided to issue the referees with a fourth alternate (a blue top) to help avoid any clashes. Obviously this needs to be sorted out as we play MA Hawks in Round 1 and they play in black and their alternate is white, so no matter what at least one side will be in black.

[arsenalfan59]

There is public statement about the referee uniform policy on the SAASRA web site. http://saasra.wikispaces.com/
I'm guessing the League would be distributing this to the clubs.

[swannsong]

When I was refereeing I had (still have) the traditional black and the yellow and black top and would take both to all games....all paid for by one weekend of refereeing ( with coin left over for a few beers) !
If I was an official linesman, I would wear the same colour top as the referee.
Why is it so difficult to manage from the referee's side ?

[Ernie Cooksey]

When I was refereeing I had (still have) the traditional black and the yellow and black top and would take both to all games....all paid for by one weekend of refereeing ( with coin left over for a few beers) !
If I was an official linesman, I would wear the same colour top as the referee.
Why is it so difficult to manage from the referee's side ?

Precisely, Mr. Swann!

[God Is No Englishman]

When I was refereeing I had (still have) the traditional black and the yellow and black top and would take both to all games....all paid for by one weekend of refereeing ( with coin left over for a few beers) !
If I was an official linesman, I would wear the same colour top as the referee.
Why is it so difficult to manage from the referee's side ?

What if one team decided to wear black and the other yellow?

[swannsong]

When I was refereeing I had (still have) the traditional black and the yellow and black top and would take both to all games....all paid for by one weekend of refereeing ( with coin left over for a few beers) !
If I was an official linesman, I would wear the same colour top as the referee.
Why is it so difficult to manage from the referee's side ?

What if one team decided to wear black and the other yellow?

Can't recall any teams wearing all black tops when I was refereeing !
More clashes with yellow !
If there was a third colour I would have had that too.
When I was playing (more regularly than 1-2 games a year ) I would have had several keeper tops, 2-3 pairs of boots for different conditions etc.etc.

[Ernie Cooksey]

Our club ref carries 3.

[4-4-2]

I think the league has been slack in notifying teams of what these changes are. Don't believe most clubs would have a chance to obtain alternate socks before the season starts and perhaps a diagram of what an exceptable shin pad looks like may be handy for clubs to show players so they can arrange in time for the season start. A few comments on the football forum and the odd ref mentioning it at pre season games is not good enough!

[penalty]

SAASL has been given copy of Referees coaching sheet about shinpads, sock, undergarmnts, tecnical areas and specator lines. It is not the referees fualt if the SAASL is slack at emailing the info to all clubs.
The SAASRA has it on its web
http://saasra.wikispaces.com/Ref%27s+Co ... ewsletters

[arsenalfan59]

I think the league has been slack in notifying teams of what these changes are. Don't believe most clubs would have a chance to obtain alternate socks before the season starts and perhaps a diagram of what an exceptable shin pad looks like may be handy for clubs to show players so they can arrange in time for the season start. A few comments on the football forum and the odd ref mentioning it at pre season games is not good enough!

An alternative strip (which also includes alternative coloured socks) has always been a requirement of clubs. And though it looks like every one has turned a blind eye to it for a few years now, the clash of socks between teams has a been SAASL competition rule for a long time. Many years ago, the club nomination form that each club had to submit each season had fields that required this information be provided. I also remember the League Year books used to list BOTH sets of a club's strip. Yet when you look on the League's web site nowadays, not one club's alternative strip is displayed. I think it's been like this for a few seasons and every club is in the dark as to what other clubs have nominated as a second strip for that particular season. A lack of communication creates unnecessary angst and problems.

[CrappyKeeper]

It's funny how many people seem to have missed this bit:

Reversion to the original policy will not exclude clubs from wearing predominantly black strips. However, the shirt does need to be distinguishable from the referee’s entirely black shirt (from the front and back) by inclusion of enough of a second colour (which can include the shirt number). To avoid the risk of non-compliance, clubs contemplating new designs of predominantly black strips are strongly advised to contact the SAASRA Secretary to obtain more detailed information about the minimum requirements of predominantly black shirts prior to purchasing their strips.

According to this, Uni can still wear black... mostly anyway.