Skillaroos 2012

[Big Mac]

I asked the same question a few months back, and got a very sensible answer..........Why do clubs hold trials so early ?? I couldnt answer it......
As a club, I would be very proud if a player got selected into the Skillaroos, and would welcome them back with open arms if it didnt work out in a year or 2

I will ask the doubters a simple question....... what is the difference between making Skillaroos and making SASI ??
Same sort of programme isnt it, only the kids 2 or 3 years younger.....
I dont think there is that much negativity towards SASI and how it works, well not that I've read on here anyway........

Zjelko, Clubs hold the trials when they do for a number of reasons I imagine.
Heat policy restrictions later in the year, Kids knowing they have a position secured early for the following season, collection of fees which fund the purchase of new equipment, organizing strips & bags etc., knowing how many teams each Club is going to enter for the following season etc etc, Clubs who are short on numbers can also use the extra time to sort out their teams and advertise etc..
Anyway as I said U13s trials may have to be held later at some Clubs.

- doubt heat policy comes into consideration, because 'pre-season' seems to be beginning earlier and earlier every year
-I dont know about other clubs, but our clubs fees dont need to be paid in full until the start of the season, only deposits to confirm spots after trials
-3 months isnt enough to organise strips etc ?? (We get our stips within 1-2 weeks, and then another 2 weeks to print)
-FFSA asks for final team numbers in Jan/Feb if I'm not mistaken

I would suggest that heat policy is an issue...a Coach can easily cancel his pre-season, try cancelling trials.
So if FFSA require numbers in jan/Feb when would you suggest trials are held?
As I said some clubs struggle for numbers or Kids even swap clubs AFTER trialing, I am sure most clubs do need the time to get things
sorted out.
I am sure the deposits are used to get things happening for the following season.
You have a good strip supplier.

[Diego]

ok so then it possibly won't be the best of the best, they possibly will be the best of what we can get?

As a parent of a child in this team does one get to see whom said yes / no before deciding?

If you don't want to be part of next year's Skillaroos why would you have bothered even trialling for a STIC team?

[best]

Development and State Team Programs
Boys

A new pathway for Under 12, 13 and 14 Boys will provide an enhanced environment for player development through regular, high quality competition and coaching. The program will also create a more structured approach for player identification to ensure the best young players in South Australia are identified. Coaches for the program have been selected by FFSA Technical Director Airton Andrioli and will be part of a mentoring program which will provide coach education in line with the FFA National Curriculum.


Under 12 Development Program (July – November)
The Under 12 program is intended to enable a greater number of players (8 zone teams) to be assessed and identified in game situations.

The program is as follows:

· 9 Teams selected teams (2 North, 2 South, 2 East, 2 West and 1 Country) compete in 2011 State Talent Identification Championships (STIC)

· 4 teams will be selected (1 North, 1 South, 1 East and 1 West) from the STIC tournament to play in the summer development program in October (identified country players will be linked to metro squads).

· The 4 squads selected from STIC will remain together, training twice a month, in preparation for the summer program in October.

· The above 4 squads, will then play games twice a week from the 10th October to the 2nd of November at the same venue.

· The Under 13 FFA Skilleroos squad will then be selected in the first week of November 2011.

· The FFA Skilleroos program will be full time. Players will train during the week and play weekend matches in the Under 14 JPL competition (no club commitments).


Under 13 Development Program (July - November)
The under 13 program is intended to give players that participated in 2010 Summer development program and also new players in this age group, another opportunity to be assessed and identified for the Under 14 State Development program.
The program is as follows:

· 5 Teams selected (North, South, East, West and Country). Teams compete in 2011 State Talent Identification Championships (STIC).

· After playing in the STIC tournament the 4 zone teams will remain together, training twice a month, in preparation for the summer program in October (Identified country players will be linked to metro squads).

· Games to be played twice a week from the 10th October to the 2nd of November at the same venue.


Under 14 Development Program
Metro and Country coaches will provide a list of players they believe should be looked at for the U14 development squad and SASI. Players will also be assessed by U14 Development Squad Coach Elvis Markov and SASI coach Tony Vidmar during the tournament. The selected players will be invited at the most appropriate time to be looked at by Elvis and Tony.

[black]

Development and State Team Programs
Boys


Under 14 Development Program
Metro and Country coaches will provide a list of players they believe should be looked at for the U14 development squad and SASI. Players will also be assessed by U14 Development Squad Coach Elvis Markov and SASI coach Tony Vidmar during the tournament. The selected players will be invited at the most appropriate time to be looked at by Elvis and Tony.

So to all those kids in the current development squad who have busted the butts training for the last year, may well be pipped at the post for a Coff's Harbor shirt by some STIC invited players? I really hope that isn't the case. What do you tell the kids that they have worked hard all year but simply still not good enough? Imagine the parents who forked out the $725.20 for the program when their kids get replaced by a late arrival that may well have been cut from the program? Might start warming up the popcorn to watch this unfold....lets hope the ffsa handle it properly and with some decorum.

[harrycripps]

The kids in the U/14 State development squad have been given every opportunity to show whether they are good enough in the eyes of the selectors. They have been given excellent coaching from Elvis Markov and the $700 has been money well spent. If your son or my son doesn't make it to Coffs Harbour then I think that ultimately we can't complain about the process.

If a kid is selected from STIC, it shows that the selection process is ongoing and not a closed shop. I am sure that the squad that is selected will demonstrate that FFSA (Airton Andrioli, Elvis Markov, Tony Vidmar etc) understands the criteria expected from FFA, and from what I have seen there are some really talented kids with outstanding technical attributes, and that squad will do SA football proud.

[Super Nala]

What about the girls Skillaroos. Has anything been finalised for the girls yet?

[johnydep]

What about the girls Skillaroos. Has anything been finalised for the girls yet?

Hi all,

Please be advised that as part of the U13 Girls ‘Skilleroos’ squad your daughter will not be required to participate at the 2011 State Talent Identification Championships. As your daughter has already been identified and will be involved in the program up until the end of September they will be given a break before coming back into the U14 Girls State Development squad in late October/early November.

I will be able to give you greater detail closer to the time that the squad recommences.

Regards,

Jonathan Ruse

Game Development Officer

FOOTBALL FEDERATION SA

Nothing is certain in this game, the kids need to keep working hard every day or they will lose their spot.

[justmyopinion]

who are the coaches responsible for selecting the zone teams and skillaroo squads for the various age groups for each teams?
are these coaches independent and have no ties to clubs?
from what i heard last year some parents of kids coached their own kids,and selected kids mostly from the club they coached at, and also a minimum of 4 kids only per zone could be selected in the skillaroo squads?......what if one zone had 6 outstanding players and another zone only 1?.....does that mean the talent selected is being compromised?
clubs keep getting told kids are selected based on skill and football ability yet kids that a bigger, faster, stronger and no technical ability get selected ahead of the smaller more technically gifted kids?
know for a fact some kids from various clubs asked to go out to trial this year didnt bother because of these reasons.

please correct me if im wrong, and would be great to know if all these zone coaches are independent or if they are still tied up with their clubs?

[Big Mac]

who are the coaches responsible for selecting the zone teams and skillaroo squads for the various age groups for each teams?
are these coaches independent and have no ties to clubs?
from what i heard last year some parents of kids coached their own kids,and selected kids mostly from the club they coached at, and also a minimum of 4 kids only per zone could be selected in the skillaroo squads?......what if one zone had 6 outstanding players and another zone only 1?.....does that mean the talent selected is being compromised?
clubs keep getting told kids are selected based on skill and football ability yet kids that a bigger, faster, stronger and no technical ability get selected ahead of the smaller more technically gifted kids?
know for a fact some kids from various clubs asked to go out to trial this year didnt bother because of these reasons.

please correct me if im wrong, and would be great to know if all these zone coaches are independent or if they are still tied up with their clubs?

Its unfortunate that people form an opinion based on Chinese whispers, get into the ear of these Kids and they dont bother to trial.
Coaches/selectors dont pick players....players do, trial well enough and they cant be overlooked.
As far as 4 from a zone as max for Skilleroos????there are 9 from East zone in Skilleroos, so there goes that argument.
Kids that were picked were faster, stronger with no technical ability?? Have you seen Skilleroos play? AH from A City blows that argument out of the water, one of the smaller players in the age group.
I cant speak about Zone coaches and there impartiality, but the Skilleroos were picked by Ayrton and Richie Alagitch, what Club bias do they have?, where is this evident in their selections?.

[justmyopinion]

big mac......i only asked the question, perhaps i got the 2 skillaroo and zone trials/ team selections mixed up. i know for a fact those 2 coaches you mentioned are highly regarded coaches......maybe what ive heard is to do with zone selections where club ties are still interfering..........and also know for a fact 2 kids from different zones who played zones last year and this year told their parents they wernt keen on trialing for zones due to the bias they had seen.
pretty sad when the kids notice it...maybe neutral coaches may help.

[Željko Jurin]

When you find 21 neutral junior coaches in SA that arent affiliated to any clubs, that are all happy to volunteer their time, let everyone know please ..............

[Big Mac]

big mac......i only asked the question, perhaps i got the 2 skillaroo and zone trials/ team selections mixed up. i know for a fact those 2 coaches you mentioned are highly regarded coaches......maybe what ive heard is to do with zone selections where club ties are still interfering..........and also know for a fact 2 kids from different zones who played zones last year and this year told their parents they wernt keen on trialing for zones due to the bias they had seen.
pretty sad when the kids notice it...maybe neutral coaches may help.

Fair enough, cant comment on what happens in every zone, every age group.
Pity if Kids percieve there to be a bias but as Zjelko said they are volunteers, and I dont know if there are too many
coaches knocking down the door to take the job on tbh.

[a voice]

pretty sad when the kids notice it...


The players are not stupid...no matter what the age. They notice if coaches are bias, they notice if the coaches son gets a game, even if they are crap. The "team Manager" has a son who gets a games, even if they are crap. The "fitness coach", the next door neighbours son, a next door neighbours uncles sons best friends son who gets a game...even if they are crap. The only sad thing here is the fact that up until a point of U16/U17 those players who have been "allowed" to play, think that they are of a high standard, but they are not. This can and usually ends with the player all of a sudden not getting a game because his father cannot control the team selection.... The best thing everyone could do is find a team with a coach who is not bias or does not have a player/relative in the team. When boys grow into "little men" they need to learn the art of rejection and how to deal with it, turn it around and be successful. Lets face it 99 percent of the players we cheer for today will not be playing in 10 years, they have bigger lessons to learn...LIFE. Teach them how to be better boys, to be better men, to learn from their own faults and fix them; not carry them from year to year..team to team with out deserving the promotion. In the end, when these boys are successful men (soccer players or not), they will turn to their dads and thank them. Just remember, the players are not stupid...no matter what the age.

[justmyopinion]

i know this would be hard but has the ffsa looked at possibily paying for the best qualified coaches to coach the zone teams and having independent coaches ie tony vidmar, richie alachich ( sorry if the spelling is wrong), or michael mattriccianni select the kids for the various zones thus eliminating any bias?
i know some clubs are looking into next year having a budget to pay for and attract the best junior coaches and not allowing parents to coach their sons.
yes all clubs rely on volunteers but if we want to get serious about junior development and compete with the rest of the world it may be something to seriously consider.

[Željko Jurin]

i know this would be hard but has the ffsa looked at possibily paying for the best qualified coaches to coach the zone teams and having independent coaches ie tony vidmar, richie alachich ( sorry if the spelling is wrong), or michael mattriccianni select the kids for the various zones thus eliminating any bias?
i know some clubs are looking into next year having a budget to pay for and attract the best junior coaches and not allowing parents to coach their sons.yes all clubs rely on volunteers but if we want to get serious about junior development and compete with the rest of the world it may be something to seriously consider.

Sorry, impossible to achieve here in Australia .....

[justmyopinion]

yes zeljko it would be difficult, but why cant the ffsa pay to get the best coaches coaching the zone teams, its the only way any successful business plan works, pay peanuts, get monkeys, give these good coaches an incentive rather than settle on who puts up their hand,....... they are out there.
as for the local clubs it will only take one club to allocate a budget to attracte and pay good junior coaches, and the rest will be forced to keep up,
rather than watching some of these old hacks attracting big bucks playing in the various state leagues, junior development is more important than holding up a glorified cup at the end of the year that holds no prestige.

[hudsona]

i know this would be hard but has the ffsa looked at possibily paying for the best qualified coaches to coach the zone teams and having independent coaches ie tony vidmar, richie alachich ( sorry if the spelling is wrong), or michael mattriccianni select the kids for the various zones thus eliminating any bias?
i know some clubs are looking into next year having a budget to pay for and attract the best junior coaches and not allowing parents to coach their sons.yes all clubs rely on volunteers but if we want to get serious about junior development and compete with the rest of the world it may be something to seriously consider.

Sorry, impossible to achieve here in Australia .....

I get the feeling this is already happening at a number of clubs (clubs engaging good coaches and paying them...not what they're really worth mind...but much more than previous....$1500 up to $5,000...max $10,000 ish in white city special case) depending on club and age group..

...Cumberland..full time paid Director of Coaching, Campbelltown & MetroStars...part time Director of Coaching roles...can't quote me...but believe there's money in those roles too.

...the wheels are moving ZJ...and as WOM said...once one club starts..the others will look to keep up...else they'll get left behind... I believe it'll be good for the youth/grassroots game.

Notwithstanding that...have concerns that the costs to play at Federation are detering some players participating...the clubs will need to be creative in how and where they get the monies from to fund the coach payments (on top of all the other costs involved in running the club)...

[Željko Jurin]

So parents coaching their sons is for the wrong reasons (in some cases), but the best coaches that only coach the kids for $$$$ is ok then ??

We are in Australia, football (soccer) is not in our culture, majority of kids do not live and breath it, majority of coaches here do not live and breath it, our clubs will never be able to pay the best coaches as all the money at the top is being spent at the top (+ some) ................ and whats the definition of a 'best coach' again ??

As long as our clubs are amateur (and thats what we are) run by volunteers at committee, club, and junior coaching level, we will never achieve what they are achieiving in Europe, South America and parts of Asia.......its not in our culture !!

I didnt believe this a few years ago, but the more I research, the more I travel, the more I see (I have been to La Masia, a summer camp in Croatia, and a summer camp with AC Milan)......... we wont get there for a LONG time !!

We can only try and make it better, because the last 30 years has been sh*t !!

[rabbit]

+1 ZJ

[Željko Jurin]

And everyone keeps talking about the 'best coaches', have people seen some of the conditions of the junior pitches at the moment ??
What can these 'best coaches' teach in mud bathes, especially at some clubs where you have named them paying for their 'best coaches'. There are still 6-8 weeks to go, that is alot of training and games in mud ??

Without $$$$$$, and while we continue to see 10+ pages of AFL in the Advertiser and main stream media everyday, and we don't even smell a fart about our football some days, we can only dream ...... we are light years behind, and fading even further ....

[johnydep]

So parents coaching their sons is for the wrong reasons (in some cases), but the best coaches that only coach the kids for $$$$ is ok then ??

We are in Australia, football (soccer) is not in our culture, majority of kids do not live and breath it, majority of coaches here do not live and breath it, our clubs will never be able to pay the best coaches as all the money at the top is being spent at the top (+ some) ................ and whats the definition of a 'best coach' again ??

As long as our clubs are amateur (and thats what we are) run by volunteers at committee, club, and junior coaching level, we will never achieve what they are achieiving in Europe, South America and parts of Asia.......its not in our culture !!

I didnt believe this a few years ago, but the more I research, the more I travel, the more I see (I have been to La Masia, a summer camp in Croatia, and a summer camp with AC Milan)......... we wont get there for a LONG time !!

We can only try and make it better, because the last 30 years has been sh*t !!

Agreed. That's why I keep telling everyone "build and promote the local game first, then the rest will follow". Direction and assistance must come from the football governing bodies, but we also need mums, dads, kids and players to support the game by attending in large numbers.

[AL K HOLIC]

2011 U/13 skillaroos top 15 players are from which U/13s clubs does anyone have a complete numbers list?

IE
AC 2
ABE 3
STRIKERS 1

etc

[muts]

2011 U/13 skillaroos top 15 players are from which U/13s clubs does anyone have a complete numbers list?

IE
AC 2
ABE 3
STRIKERS 1

etc

You want a list of the clubs with the most political pull?

[Big Mac]

2011 U/13 skillaroos top 15 players are from which U/13s clubs does anyone have a complete numbers list?

IE
AC 2
ABE 3
STRIKERS 1

etc

http://www.ffsa.com.au/game-development ... roos-2011/

[Big Mac]

2011 U/13 skillaroos top 15 players are from which U/13s clubs does anyone have a complete numbers list?

IE
AC 2
ABE 3
STRIKERS 1

etc

You want a list of the clubs with the most political pull?

I am sure when they had the 4 months of trials talent had nothing to do with final selection.

[AL K HOLIC]

What a joke that list is.

[sensiblesoccer]

And everyone keeps talking about the 'best coaches', have people seen some of the conditions of the junior pitches at the moment ??
What can these 'best coaches' teach in mud bathes, especially at some clubs where you have named them paying for their 'best coaches'. There are still 6-8 weeks to go, that is alot of training and games in mud ??

Without $$$$$$, and while we continue to see 10+ pages of AFL in the Advertiser and main stream media everyday, and we don't even smell a fart about our football some days, we can only dream ...... we are light years behind, and fading even further ....

instead of crying , go and tell mR football Val from the advertiser, the only story's he runs is on Blue Eagles he seems to do so much to promote the sport.

[Stitch This]

What a joke that list is.

Why?

[AL K HOLIC]

What a joke that list is.

Why?

Maybe the Skillaroo staff should actually step outside their offices and go take a look at some of the top clubs in all leagues, not just rely on a coach or club to nominate or make a donation.

[Stonthialo]

Stitch This wrote:
AL K HOLIC wrote:
What a joke that list is.

Why?



Maybe the Skillaroo staff should actually step outside their offices and go take a look at some of the top clubs in all leagues, not just rely on a coach or club to nominate or make a donation.

Watching some junior soccer this year I have observed and first hand seen how children have improved throughout the year. Having seen the U/13's semi finals and final between West Adelaide and Para Hills , how can none of those lads from West Adelaide not make the squad? On a side note this squad should be put up for selection again as I could name at least 5 players that could walk into that team.