Italian > English football

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:43 am

Laziale wrote:

or

Not really comparing "apples with apples" (as you aussies would say) there are you.

Where is that top ground? I don't recognise it at all.

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:48 am

If you're talking solely about the teams in it then surely facts speak for themselves.

2007 Champions league semi finalists
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man U
Milan
75% of teams were English

4 English teams all in the group stages of the cup. Every one of them won their group.

Surely for last season, those facts speak for themselves.

It shows the best team were from italy, but in terms of depth the premier league is the better league.

Vaguely · Post by **Vaguely** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:58 am

Hawkesy wrote:If you're talking solely about the teams in it then surely facts speak for themselves.

2007 Champions league semi finalists
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man U
Milan
75% of teams were English

4 English teams all in the group stages of the cup. Every one of them won their group.

Surely for last season, those facts speak for themselves.

It shows the best team were from italy, but in terms of depth the premier league is the better league.

So what your saying is, since 3 english based teams made it to the champions league semi finals that they are the most dominate league. I dont think so. I prefer to watch the Serie A as there are many interesting teams who are vying for european places such as napoli, atalanta. The inclusion of Napoli and Juventus have shaken up this league and made it more exciting than last. The premier league is the same each year, its always the big four Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Untied and Arsenal.

mattieg1200 · Post by **mattieg1200** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:03 am

El Capitano wrote:
MUFCBOY wrote:pfff please laziale... give me the premier league any day... wats so gd about a league that involves conspiracy, negative play and deaths, that is italian football???

bradley · Post by **bradley** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:22 am

Its funny when I was in greece the premier league was as popular there as serie A is here.

I am a big fan of the EPL (and its my fav league) but I do believe we all think its amazing due to the unbelievable TV coverage we get.

I believe if Serie A was shown in good quality with good commentators + snippets about the upcoming games on fox sports news every day - then its credibility would be alot higher in australia.

Right now I cant get into serie A as setanta have got the same second rate rights + picture quality that ESPN had last season. Im not gonna stay up all night to watch Siena play..

adriano10 · Post by **adriano10** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:44 am

Hawkesy wrote:As an Englishman. The Italian league is technically superior, skill level is better. BUT the English game is more watchable.

I admit I'm biased but i far prefer watching the more physical and faster game that is the English game.

PLUS, I don't like dour defensive football that is Seria A. If that doesn't get some bites then nothing will

i was waiting for that - even if you're just trying to stir the pot a little...

stats show that over the past seasons Serie has the highest number of goals amongst the big 3 leagues in world football - more than La Liga or the EPL

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:44 am

Hawkesy wrote:He is certainly not very popular south of the river. Especially my mate Keith who has a son called Lucas.

I can't talk I have a son named after Millwall's top goalscorer ever. Luckily my dad's middle name is Edward as well, so I can now claim he's named after him instead.

The difference between sheringham and neill is as an aussie, neill cannot be expected to fully understand a London rivalry. As a Londoner, judas doesn't have that excuse. Still, look at the way Cahill conducted himself in the cup match against Millwall when he scored. BRAVO TIMMY, BRAVO!!

How popular are Adelaide boys David Mitchell & Carl Veart (only played a few) with Millwall supporters.

Surely the Prictorian Muscat must have been a legend over there amongst Millwall fans, he'd fit right in with Millwall & English Football.

E. Grant & Co · Post by **E. Grant & Co** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:45 am

Interesting topic.

What are we really asking ourselves here?

Isn't it just one persons feelings about the game as opposed to another. I prefer the Blue's to the Red, Green/Gold to the 3 Lions or the Azzurri

Fast, Full on Football [sorry Nat] to a rather more technical slow build up type of game.

Is that to say one is better than the other NO, it's just what I prefer, thats all.

They both have their merits and both have their down sides, one is no better than the other only different.

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:55 am

97 wrote:How popular are Adelaide boys David Mitchell & Carl Veart (only played a few) with Millwall supporters.

Surely the Prictorian Muscat must have been a legend over there amongst Millwall fans, he'd fit right in with Millwall & English Football.

Is Mitchell from Adelaide, I never knew that I thought he was from Perth.

We've had a fair few aussies.

Dave Mitchell: Was popular for his work rate and physical approach to the game. Popular at Millwall.

Carl Veart: Always features highly in the polls for the worst ever Millwall player.

Alistair Edwards: If Veart doesn't win it, Edwards does.

Jason Van Blerk: Quality left back, very popular.

Kevin Muscat: An Absolute Millwall legend. Never say die attitude and hard as nails will always make you a popular Millwall player. I've always said you hate him untill he plays for your side. Disaapointed he was injured for the final, would have loved to have seen him against Ronaldo.

Lucas Neill: Always a bitsa player for us. Wanted to play in midfield, we wanted to play him at right back. Left for blackburn because we kept playing him (when he got in the starting 11) at RB.

Timmy Cahill: Probably the best player for Millwall since judas sheringham and even then judas became better once he left. Timmy was fantastic when he was with us.

I think that's it.

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:56 am

adriano10 wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:As an Englishman. The Italian league is technically superior, skill level is better. BUT the English game is more watchable.

I admit I'm biased but i far prefer watching the more physical and faster game that is the English game.

PLUS, I don't like dour defensive football that is Seria A. If that doesn't get some bites then nothing will
i was waiting for that - even if you're just trying to stir the pot a little...

stats show that over the past seasons Serie has the highest number of goals amongst the big 3 leagues in world football - more than La Liga or the EPL

Have a look at the small print in white just after my comment in bold.

Here fishy fishy

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:57 am

Vaguely wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:If you're talking solely about the teams in it then surely facts speak for themselves.

2007 Champions league semi finalists
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man U
Milan
75% of teams were English

4 English teams all in the group stages of the cup. Every one of them won their group.

Surely for last season, those facts speak for themselves.

It shows the best team were from italy, but in terms of depth the premier league is the better league.
So what your saying is, since 3 english based teams made it to the champions league semi finals that they are the most dominate league. I dont think so. I prefer to watch the Serie A as there are many interesting teams who are vying for european places such as napoli, atalanta. The inclusion of Napoli and Juventus have shaken up this league and made it more exciting than last. The premier league is the same each year, its always the big four Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Untied and Arsenal.

All you have done though is explain why you prefer watching italian football. My stats speak for themselves on the quality levels.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:07 pm

Hawkesy wrote:Is Mitchell from Adelaide, I never knew that I thought he was from Perth.

I think that's it.

Mitchell was born in Scotland but come through Adelaide City youth teams and played seniors before going back to Scotland, Tony Dorigo another Adelaide City youth for the record.

David Oldfield was born in Perth but we wouldn't claim him as an Aussie.

Doesn't say much for English football with so many Aussies making the grade

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:24 pm

97 wrote:
Hawkesy wrote:Is Mitchell from Adelaide, I never knew that I thought he was from Perth.

I think that's it.
Mitchell was born in Scotland but come through Adelaide City youth teams and played seniors before going back to Scotland, Tony Dorigo another Adelaide City youth for the record.

David Oldfield was born in Perth but we wouldn't claim him as an Aussie.

Doesn't say much for English football with so many Aussies making the grade

He was at Millwall for a bit as well.

They only made the grade at Millwall though, and most of those when we were at our lowest ebb.

Lucas and Timmy are probably our success stories. Plucked from obscurity at the AIS and Sydney United respectively to become the players they are.

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:30 pm

BAGGIO 15 wrote:
Laziale wrote:
Berbatov wrote: Laziale loves stirring people up and Italy is always number, most biased forumite on the forum i reckon

I enjoy watching English football more but do have to agree with him that Italian football is better than English Football....just
you know me too well

but surely most biased forumite would have to be Rigoni
could be right.

cmon ladies, clearly hawkesy admitted to it so he takes the cake.

clearly Italian football is better. Players from Serie B+C could easily play Serie A showing the natural quality of the leagues. eg. Luis Jimenez was playing Serie C 2 years ago, now starring for inter.

Italian football>>>>>>english football

E. Grant & Co · Post by **E. Grant & Co** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:24 pm

Riggy> don't you first have to define 'Better'

As stated before it's only a matter of opinion one is neither better or worse than the other, just different.

diegom · Post by **diegom** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:38 pm

ANOTHER WANK WANK TOPIC!
Seriously, who gives a flying toss about whick league is better.
I support NAPOLI in Serie A
And Man Utd in EPL
And in that order!

Serie A is more tactically and skill based than epl.
Epl is more attractive and fast paced, but skills are shocking!
The fact that we get the EPL about 5-6 times a week on fox and all the national free to air channels shows EPL is the reason why MANY neutrals preferr the EPL!

But realistically, The ITALIAN League is and has been more successful on the world stage
AND
The ITALIAN National team at present is 10X more better than the English National team.

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:20 pm

Hawkesy wrote:
Laziale wrote:http://www.geocities.com/vanityprojectf ... on005a.jpg

or

http://www.zoonovara.com/stagione0506/f ... 9600_2.jpg
Not really comparing "apples with apples" (as you aussies would say) there are you.

Where is that top ground? I don't recognise it at all.

Not sure but the bottom ground is Salernitana (Serie c1)

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:21 pm

Romerpoolaide wrote:I agree Italian football is better than English football but nevertheless I still enjoy watching the EPL too. Isn't there many positives that both the leagues can be enjoyed and admired for?

BTW Laziale I'd just like to remind you that a certain ROMA player was the one to score the penalty. Bet you Biancocelesti were cheering him on, hehehehe

yes, Ill admit I was supporting the merda although I wouldve liked to see someone else take the penalty.

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:27 pm

Juventino wrote:Laziale knows. Good topic

Caramelas13 wrote:I think the way the EPL is presented to us on TV makes it much more attractive then Serie A. I love Serie A, but i can see why neutral viewers would prefer the EPL.

MilanManiac wrote:Not only is serie A more technical because of the far superior players that play in the league, it has the most devoted and passionate fans.

We are a league that refuses to back down, refuse to give in to domestication of the league like the premier league.

Whatever Serie A has that it has had for the past 10 years, what little is left, theres still enough of it. EPL is a league of mercenaries and plebs and the EPL style kills the pieces of Serie A that they try to import. Prime examples are Shevchenko and Bianchi (aka Biank).

agree with all of you. Serie A from the late 80s-early 2000s was the best league ever seen on this planet. No other league today compares to the quality of Serie A during that time.

I'd rather have Serie A presented the way it is rather than see it become like the EPL. Some decent TV quality would be nice though.

Le King · Post by **Le King** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:32 pm

y would the serie a b shown jst like the epl is in australia... y promote gangs, killings, voilence, conspiracy and shootings???

leave that 2 the movies

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:39 pm

Rigoni 10 wrote:cmon ladies, clearly hawkesy admitted to it so he takes the cake.

I can admit my very few short comings. Fellow forum posters seem to think it's you, who am I to contradict them.

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:41 pm

leave the football to the italians, we do it best

Le King · Post by **Le King** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:42 pm

Laziale wrote:leave the football to the italians, we do it best

lol

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:05 pm

Ted from Taperoo wrote:Riggy> don't you first have to define 'Better'

As stated before it's only a matter of opinion one is neither better or worse than the other, just different.

For us here "Better" means style of game we should be teaching our kids. Looking at SASI results it's clear that English football is not the go.

As stated before FFA need to ban EPL from all media avenues in this country.

Hawkesy · Post by **Hawkesy** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:07 pm

97 wrote:
Ted from Taperoo wrote:Riggy> don't you first have to define 'Better'

As stated before it's only a matter of opinion one is neither better or worse than the other, just different.
For us here "Better" means style of game we should be teaching our kids. Looking at SASI results it's clear that English football is not the go.

As stated before FFA need to ban EPL from all media avenues in this country.

For me BETTER means BETTER results. I refer to my previous stat about the 2007 CL semi finalists.

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:20 pm

97 you say that Man City spend more than Inter, but would they beat Inter?? Of course they wouldn't

Most Championship clubs would probably pay more wages than Lazio, but we are in the CL.

17 miilion pounds for Bent and 18 for Carrick

EPL clubs have more money but transfers are way overvalued IMO.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:36 pm

Hawkesy wrote: For me BETTER means BETTER results. I refer to my previous stat about the 2007 CL semi finalists.

Best result is winning it is it not?

No point making the semi's if your going to get embarrassed by a side that finish 30+ points behind the Italian champions.

How about better is producing world cup champions. Serie A produce 24 in 2006 EPL zero.

Translator · Post by **Translator** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:39 pm

Laziale wrote:97 you say that Man City spend more than Inter, but would they beat Inter?? Of course they wouldn't

Most Championship clubs would probably pay more wages than Lazio, but we are in the CL.

17 miilion pounds for Bent and 18 for Carrick EPL clubs have more money but transfers are way overvalued IMO.

True, Lazio's total wage bill is the equilavent of one player at Man U and Lazio are still a chance of making the last 16 in Europe. Even held Real Madrid to a draw how many English clubs can do that!!!

pires7 · Post by **pires7** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:53 pm

"During the actual games it is as though everybody's brains are switched off.

"People play by instinct, spontaneously, in the way they did when they first discovered football."

olympiakos · Post by **olympiakos** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:05 pm

for technical football, i would put serie A and La Liga way ahead of EPL, for entertainment and especially for a casual follower EPL is the best, there is obviously a reason why the cream of the crop never go to england, zidane? totti? carlos? ronaldo? riquelme? messi? just some examples, the very best technical players will never be drawn to england, say what u want but english league is no where near italian and spanish in terms of technical football

even bundesliga is quite good to watch, on setanta