Cheating to win, is it worth it?

marooned · Post by **marooned** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:14 pm

when farm beat our ressies in the cup last year we were all still hungover from winning both leagues, it was our own fault. We didnt cry,we didnt whinge, we didnt call anyone a cheat,we didnt digrace ourselves on a public forum. Learn from it and dont call clubs cheats when you lose. And two footer you are a fully fledged goose.

coutinho10 · Post by **coutinho10** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:21 pm

come on guys lets all play nice..

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:12 pm

from bad to worse you s

ks need to take a good long look at your self in the mirror!!!& for the last time get over it & HARDEN THE FK UP!!!

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Tue May 15, 2007 3:27 pm

nugget66 wrote:from bad to worse you s ks need to take a good long look at your self in the mirror!!!& for the last time get over it & HARDEN THE FK UP!!!

you love saying that dont you??

Robbo · Post by **Robbo** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:18 pm

Tell everyone why you didnt tell us nugget ??

Guess we better HARDEN THE FK UP this week hey ?

Ontilt · Post by **Ontilt** » Wed May 16, 2007 6:24 pm

correct me if im wrong...but i hear on the grape vine that the farmers gutless wonder of a B grade coach has quit?? now y doesnt that surprise me....u guys get smacked down once and he's out the door.....lol...tops..

Ronnie#10 · Post by **Ronnie#10** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:16 am

We (TTG) have been on the end of some weird decisions this season already. We still got the wins luckilly. The worst is penaltys that the ref will give to the home team & send offs that make no sense whatever.

tyneside · Post by **tyneside** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:08 am

Ronnie#10 wrote:We (TTG) have been on the end of some weird decisions this season already. We still got the wins luckilly. The worst is penaltys that the ref will give to the home team & send offs that make no sense whatever.

i dont think it will ever be resolved, wherever you play 80% of the time the b team ref will be bias to there team. Same in the A's with a cheating linesman

Ace16 · Post by **Ace16** » Thu May 17, 2007 1:51 pm

Hi Everybody. First time poster long time reader.

Just wanted to chip in with a good news story.

The Modbury Jets linesman in both the A and B game did an excellent Job on Sat. He kept the flag down on a few occasions that we broke through even though his team members were complaining about offside. He explained to them each time who had kept our player on.

Good to see a bit of integrity shine through.

Lets all try and learn from it.

mightyreds · Post by **mightyreds** » Thu May 17, 2007 1:54 pm

Except at Ingle Farm we have a referee that does the C's & B's games & is as fair as they come...

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Fri May 18, 2007 1:37 am

tell you WHAT RobbO ??? i refereed recently & its the hardest job I've ever F<N had in football & maybe a little cal ma come back to haunt me.....
did i cheat NO I would NEVER cheat but FK i was called the ''BIGGEST CHEAT EVER''! did make a few BAD calls though SORRY for them but it was never my chosen profession! I gave it my best after a referee course. I wrote on this topic because i couldn't believe that your club would write on this forum complaining about the downs referee when your club referee's are gonna have a bad game as well..... same as a neutral referee who dose it for the money will ! HARDEN THE FK UP !

mightyreds · Post by **mightyreds** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:46 pm

Hey Nugget i understand what you are saying from an outside point of view but you had to be there to see the referee the Downs put forward for the 2nd half of the B's he was off his face, didn't move out of the centre circle, had no f#ckin idea & was basing his decisions on the Downs players calls & was also abusing opposition players instead of worrying about the game. For Div.1 i have never seen anything like it!!!
Surely a club has a responsibilty of some sort to the referre they provide???

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:38 am

mate whats the point??? I dont see any point in coming on this forum whining about poor referee's! Ingle Farm has the best referee's in the land just ask them

! At the end of the day if you want to beat them put the ball in the net more times than them dont whin about it you just look like
s

k if you do!!

Shaken Not Stirred · Post by **Shaken Not Stirred** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:48 am

That's right nugget66, that's why your club approached our club ref to ref your ressie games on alternate weeks.

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Tue May 22, 2007 9:11 am

no our club asked the reserve ref. because we would much prefer to pay an independent referee rather than be labled cheats by losing teams looking for excuses!!!

Hammer Down Under · Post by **Hammer Down Under** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:09 am

On a positive note. The B's ref we had at TTG V Vikings this weekend was excellent. He was more than fair to both teams and even had the balls to give us a penalty late on. Excellent job sir whoever you are !!

Rexie · Post by **Rexie** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:56 pm

The bloke who did the Inter v Downs in the C grade on sunday was very good also. Even picked up an off side goal and diss allowed it after apeaking to the lines man.

Great Job!

Ronnie#10 · Post by **Ronnie#10** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:32 am

Have to agree with Tyneside aswell. Some refs at away games are just going to be biased towards their own team. Then the linesman in the A's will be the same. Its just the way it is in the amatuers unfortunetly.

Our ref for the B's at TTG VS Vikings i thought did a great job like you said Hammer. I was injured for the Gully last weekend but by what i saw he was solid.

Jay Walking · Post by **Jay Walking** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:59 am

Interesting to see the SAASL is holding a meeting about how to deal with the issue of refereeing and the lack of them. As far as I know all clubs have being invited.

This is a chance for everyone who does whinge and moan about refs to come up with some ideas to how to tackle the problem. I would expect a very big turnout considering the amount of posts put on this website.

I certainly will be going. I will put forward that we need to offer more money to referees (I think at least $120 for a Div 1 game), improve recruiting campaigns to make it easier for people to find out how to become referees and recomend that in Div 1 & 2 Sunday and Div 1 Saturday that the home team needs to supply a referee is has conducted a basic referees course. I think we all agree the league has done well to get young guys out to run the line for Div 1 matches. Thats needs to be mentioned also.

I also think that the league needs to spend some money on encouraging people to become referees.

I think clubs need to take some responsibility to say hello to the ref, offer him a drink after the game and welcome him into the clubrooms. No matter what happens on the park, all away teams are welcome into the club so why not referees.

I use to referee junior matches but the thing I missed most was playing. Seeing my mates on a Thursday night and Sunday for the game. Hense the reason I got involved back into playing.

nico · Post by **nico** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:43 pm

More money is a start.

Can I ask what the issue is with one official ref doing both the reserves and first games? It seems that the lower grades or "C" teams are getting refs due to the fact that they kick off earlier, thus allowing a ref to pick up a second game somewhere else at 3pm. No disrespect to the lower grades, but the higher grades deserve to have both games officially refereed.

Surely if a ref is guaranteed two games at one venue it would be better for them. Is it just a case of if they make a poor decision etc. in the reserves, that tension may flow on to the later game?

JP · Post by JP » Fri May 25, 2007 1:12 pm

Yeah it is worth cheating but only if u win

If u cheat and lose, then thats disgraceful

Jay Walking · Post by **Jay Walking** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:14 pm

Thats a good point Nico. I remember playing for Florina a couple of years ago against South Coast. The ressies game got pretty heated and the crowd and first team players got stuck in right from the start because of it. An offical ref may of being able to cool tensions in the ressies.

I do think though that most club referees do a good job. What I'm saying is that these people should have some sort of basic knowledge of the rule and how to referee via a course. Being a good ref isn't just about knowing the rule book inside out. You also need good positioning, common sense and vision

JP · Post by JP » Fri May 25, 2007 1:21 pm

Its too hard for the refs to keep complete control in the reserves. There are alot of hot heads playing these days.

web · Post by **web** » Fri May 25, 2007 2:00 pm

If the higher grades start paying more than the Cs then maybe they have the RIGHT to complain. but we all pay the same to the league.
As,Bs,C, and o/35 should all be treated as equal .
they are registered players who have paid the league to play.
I dont think we have had a official ref this year in div 10-O/35s
there is no elitist list in the league..
we are all equal

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Fri May 25, 2007 2:34 pm

I hope that there will be a representative from most clubs at the meeting because its a huge problem that is'nt going to go away on it's own & the league can't seem to fix it! by the way when is it

????

nico · Post by **nico** » Fri May 25, 2007 4:54 pm

Web, we do pay more, for the refs.

All I mean is that what sort of incentive is it to rise through the divisions if you can't be guaranteed a referee in Div 1?

It's a problem and I guess all we can do as clubs is put forward as many ideas as we can and hopefully find a solution.

Shaken Not Stirred · Post by **Shaken Not Stirred** » Fri May 25, 2007 5:05 pm

There is meeting next Wednesday to discuss the status of the refs. I am not sure where it is.

nugget66 · Post by **nugget66** » Sun May 27, 2007 10:50 am

I believe 1st&2nd div.sun.& 1st div.sat.amateurs are the strongest they have ever been with the quality of players playing in the competition the standard of our game is the strongest ever! Yet our refereeing numbers & standard has dropped off dramatically. If we don't come up with solutions to this problem we are going to see the standard of our competition drop dramatically in the next few years with quality players leaving because of the frustration of substandard refereeing. We should pay 1st division referee's a lot more than we do, but also expect a lot more than we get! May-be $150 per game would attract some quality referee's. May-be the SAASL need to start investing in club lighting through a grant prosesss so we can start playing more night games. May-be clubs need to start putting in place stronger referee protection policies for players & supporters. May-be start approaching players who play sat. to ref. on sun. or play on sun. to ref. on sat. $150 a game might attract some. I just hope that we can fix this problem for the sake & standard of our game.

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Sun May 27, 2007 5:05 pm

Guys same old complaints no solution in sight.

The reasons referees number have declined.

1. Physical assaults.

2. Constance abuse.

3. Apalling behaviour by players and officials.

4. Lack of support from the League in dealing with players, officials and clubs guilty of the above.

5. Young aspiring referees choose the FFSA where there is a carear path, more security and support from clubs and the league.

The issue will come to a head in a few years time as numbers of referees continue to decline.

Perhaps some retiring players could take up refereering then they can experience first hand what referees have copped for years.

web · Post by **web** » Mon May 28, 2007 8:13 am

No worries Nico ..i know how frustrating it can be.just dont know how we can fix it.

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