Small Sided Football in 2009,2010

[hudsona]

Note the bit 'bout:

“If everyone wants to keep it at the level that it is currently on then we should just continue doing what we are doing.

If we want to improve and go to a higher level – and again, that’s the goal-setting of Football Federation Australia – then there is no other option than to make changes."....


Exclusive: Australia Need To Develop 'Messi & Ronaldo' - Han Berger

It's an ambitious claim from the country's technical director...

18 May 2009 03:35:27

Roma Finale 2009: Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United) vs. Lionel Messi (Barcelona)
Related LinksAustralia will need to develop a "Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo" if they are to achieve their goal of competing at the highest level of football by the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, according to Australia's National Technical Director Han Berger.

In an exclusive interview with Goal.com, Berger outlined Football Federation Australia’s (FFA) plan to take the nation to the top echelon of world football within the next 10-15 years.

The Dutchman’s ambitious claim has coincided with the release of a new National Football Curriculum, which sets the standards by which youth development as well as elite - and community-level football – for both coaches and players – will be now be governed in Australia.

Central to this doctrine is a focus on skill development as opposed to strength and conditioning at young ages.

“This is a long-term project and as I said, there are goal settings to take Australia to the highest level of football in the world,” Berger told Goal.com

“Australia are not only organising to host the 2018 and 2022 World Cup but also to compete at the highest level and so that we are able to do that, we need to develop high-level players that are able to fulfil these goals.

“If you put too much emphasis on the result at too young an age then you tend to choose strong players instead of skilful ones and you forbid players to take risks and initiative instead of encouraging them to do so.

“At the end of the day you get punished for that because at the top level the game is not decided by the strongest and the fittest players because all players are strong and fit.

“At the top level the game is decided by players like Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo – the skilful ones – and if you want to go this high level you need players like that.

“That’s more or less my message and why we should put more emphasis on skill development as opposed to strength and conditioning at a young age.”

Berger’s goal to have Australia developing world-class players such as Messi and Ronaldo might be considered unrealistic, but the former director of youth teams for the Royal Netherlands Football Association (KNVB) says it is an achievable goal.

He continued, “I know one thing for sure – Australia doesn’t have to change on my behalf but then it will be very difficult to go to the next level.

“If everyone wants to keep it at the level that it is currently on then we should just continue doing what we are doing.

“If we want to improve and go to a higher level – and again, that’s the goal-setting of Football Federation Australia – then there is no other option than to make changes.

“Absolutely there will be arguments, people resisting, people disagreeing and I hope I can convince as many people as possible.

“Yes, it’s a big challenge but if I had a feeling it was impossible I wouldn’t even begin on this project.

“We will go for it and time will tell.”

Chris Paraskevas Goal.com

And from another Goal.com interview:

Goal: Is that why small-sided games have been introduced as the standard at a junior level in Australia?

HB: Yes that’s correct but to be honest I didn’t introduce small-sided football – that was done my predecessor Rob Baan. All over the world, small-sided football is underpinning new development programs; in Brazil, in the form of FUTSAL and in Spain in the form of FUTSAL and in all European countries in the form of small-sided games and the reason is that this way players develop faster.

If you play 11 v. 11 with six or seven-year old players on the pitch, they might touch the ball three or four times, whereas in a small sided game they are on the ball all the time and can discover and develop through trial and error and that’s the most important reason for small-sided football. It’s the way it’s done all over the world in every big football country."

....and acknowledgement that SSG needs to be combined with other issues to improve the game (from same interview):

Goal: Coaches then become integral to this plan. How important is it to educate coaches and qualify them on a large scale?

HB: That is maybe more important, you need to take that step first. First you need good coaches to develop good players – it doesn’t work the other way around. If you want to develop football in Australia and take it to the next level, we need qualified and quality coaches who understand the message of the curriculum and are able to deliver this to the players and to the children.

[hudsona]

Berger not the be all and end all of youth soccer either...but relativly well qualified to comment on youth football wouldn't you agree?

Berger, 58, joins FFA from Dutch premier league club, De Graafschap, where he has been Director of Football for the past four years.

He has a long and distinguished coaching career including head coach of several other Dutch premier league teams such as FC Utrecht, FC Groningen, Fortuna Sittard and Sparta Rotterdam.

Berger is also a former director of youth teams for the Royal Netherlands Football Association (KNVB) and head coach of the Dutch Olympic team, and had a stint as head coach of J-League club, Oita Trinita.

[goal!!!]

this is what i have said from the begining the coaches need help too ..ssg wont fix a thing its got to be all 3 fronts not SSG ! will fix all the problems - alot of theory not one practical proof ..


yes i agree u9 or 8 yr olds prob should be in a smaller pitch - however at some point kids have to learn to play on the big pitch ! and space , passing becomes important ... debates will rage on the years to swap this too .. however i think there is a compromise and see which one practically does better ... im palnnign to go to europe again , i will have another look in spain, italy and france and jsut see for myself what juniors are doing in fact ill take soem pictures

[hudsona]

We'll v much looking forward to details of new national curriculum to see how it fits in! ...been a few weeks since announced I think but ....anyone seen any detail on it yet?


FFA Announces New National Football Curriculum.

Football Federation Australia (FFA) today announced another new landmark initiative with the unveiling of a new National Football Curriculum (NFC) which has the long term aim of improving the skill level, quality and performance of Australia’s top players and teams.

“The National Football Curriculum is the next important stage of the Talent Identification Development Review and the National Football Development Plan that was announced in November 2007,” said FFA CEO, Ben Buckley.

“It sets the blueprint for the quality and style of Australian football for the future and aims to significantly improve our skill levels.

“It is the first time we have had a national curriculum which sets the basis for the development of all young players and coaches, whether at community or elite level.”

“The key objective is to create a talented player development program that emphasises skill and sustains international success for generations to come, as well as a coach development system that produces quality coaches who are able to implement the curriculum and realise similar goals,” Buckley said.

The NFC has been developed by researching best practice in talent development and identification in football and other sports and tailoring it to football in Australia.

The evidence-based curriculum has been developed by FFA’s National Technical Director, Han Berger, following on from preliminary work by the previous National Technical Director, Rob Baan.

Berger, who started in the role in January, will oversee implementation of the NFC.

“The new national curriculum recognises two streams of development,” Berger said.

“The first is for talented players who aim to play the highest level possible, and the second is for community players who just want to play the game and enjoy the sport..”

Berger said the NFC is for male and female footballers aged between 6-19 years, from those playing Optus Small Sided Football to the 11-a-side competitive environment.

The guiding principles of the NFC are:

- the approach is ‘game-related’ rather that ‘isolated’, which impacts all training and exercises
- an emphasis on skill development
- a proactive style of playing that corresponds with the Australian competitive psyche
- the mandating of the 1-4-3-3 formation for all FFA controlled development teams (eg. Qantas Joeys, Westfield Young Matildas) as the best developmental model, and the best structure for the proactive playing style
- the integration and mutual dependency of physical conditioning with football training so that they are not separated

Berger has consulted with all national coaches, Institute coaches and State Technical Directors as well as Member Federations in developing the curriculum.

Berger said that, as part of the implementation process, a number of actions are required to ensure compliance to the curriculum. These include:

- It will be mandated for national development teams and for programs under FFA (and member Federation) control
- Each State/Territory will appoint a Technical Director, funded under the FFA’s new Member Federation Charter, with the State Technical Director reporting to the National Technical Director
- Coach Education Programs will be reviewed to reflect the NFC
- Specific levels of coaching qualification will be required for all higher level coaching positions (National Team, Hyundai A-League, Westfield W-League, National Youth League, Institute and State technical Directors)
- By 2010 each State/Territory will need to appoint at least one ‘Skill Acquisition Trainer’ whose role will be to ensure that skill development programs for talented players are universally implemented.
- Football Clubs, schools and academies will be accredited and rated. Adoption of the Curriculum will be a pre-requisite to accreditation and rating

Additional material will be added to the NFC to assist coaches and clubs with the ongoing implementation.

The NFC will begin an Australia-wide roll out in the coming months.

[Killa Pass]

Guy's agree with the coaches comments 100% but lets not get off track we have been talking about SSF....the pro's and con's.

Coaching and the FFA curriculum roll out is another subject.....so lets stick to the topic!!!

[BIG RED]

Fantastic day - well done to Anton, Vern and Raiders, and the many parents and children that were involved and also Vito from FFSA.

from the ffsa site
FFSA Optus Small Sided Football Gala Day - June 29, 2009


Interest and participation in Optus Small Sided Football is rapidly growing…

Sunday June 28th witnessed the states best response to the new national format for grassroots football, with over 220 children representing 16 clubs taking part in the FFSA OSSF Gala Day held at the Raiders Soccer Club. All areas of Adelaide were represented on the day with some teams travelling up to an hour to be part of the fun.

Inspired by Australia’s recent successful World Cup qualifying campaign, over 40 teams registered in the U6-U8 age groups, where children took to the modified fields to play the game we all love – Football. With a flurry of goals scored over 10 OSSF pitches, Australia’s future potential Socceroos or Matildas were the real winners on the day, taking part in 3 or 4 games in a set fixture format.

Both A-League and W-League Adelaide United FC players, Eugene Galekovic and Rachel Quigley were star attractions at the Gala Day, with both being a hit amongst the grassroots players signing autographs and having photos taken.

A special mention and thanks to Anton Jukic and Vern Mugford for their support and assistance on the day and also to the Raiders community. To all clubs, coaches, managers, parents and players, congratulations for your efforts and for making the day a success.

[Željko Jurin]

Fantastic day - well done to Anton, Vern and Raiders, and the many parents and children that were involved and also Vito from FFSA.

from the ffsa site
FFSA Optus Small Sided Football Gala Day - June 29, 2009


Interest and participation in Optus Small Sided Football is rapidly growing…

Sunday June 28th witnessed the states best response to the new national format for grassroots football, with over 220 children representing 16 clubs taking part in the FFSA OSSF Gala Day held at the Raiders Soccer Club. All areas of Adelaide were represented on the day with some teams travelling up to an hour to be part of the fun.

Inspired by Australia’s recent successful World Cup qualifying campaign, over 40 teams registered in the U6-U8 age groups, where children took to the modified fields to play the game we all love – Football. With a flurry of goals scored over 10 OSSF pitches, Australia’s future potential Socceroos or Matildas were the real winners on the day, taking part in 3 or 4 games in a set fixture format.

Both A-League and W-League Adelaide United FC players, Eugene Galekovic and Rachel Quigley were star attractions at the Gala Day, with both being a hit amongst the grassroots players signing autographs and having photos taken.

A special mention and thanks to Anton Jukic and Vern Mugford for their support and assistance on the day and also to the Raiders community. To all clubs, coaches, managers, parents and players, congratulations for your efforts and for making the day a success.

It was a fantastic day, and ALL the kids had a great time, which is the most important thing !!

[BIG RED]

It was a fantastic day, and ALL the kids had a great time, which is the most important thing !!

yep exactly and the overall feeling you got from all concerned it wasnt about winning but about the children just playing the game - most watches of these games probably didnt even know the score in games because it didnt really matter and also maybe because there was so many goals being scored for people to keep count

[goal!!!]

explain to how its the best way when several clubs did the test run in SSG amd 23 -0 , 18-0 and 26-0 is any benefits anyone ?

what does the other side learn , no touches at all ? great work ! Again i seriously think SSG is not as great as it is cracked up to be? unforntunetly i think one sided games will be the outcome ... i have not seen any suggestion or factual evidence to show that SSG will enhance aussie soccer.

by the way this was 4 v 4 i guess for the club who was winning its fine , wht did the the other side learn ? how did they get hundreds of touches ?

[BIG RED]

fyi Goal its SSF not SSG

You see big score differences in E&D, SAASL,FFSA JPL etc all the time, it happens its part of the game. Last year an Under 6 game in E&D modified rules there was a scoreline of 19 - 0, Last week an Under 7 game of 8 - 0, Earlier this year in the JPL, Croydon Under 13 A's lost 23 - 0. So it does happen and these are just some examples!

I have seen a lot of SSF and I can say I have never seen any SSF games that would resemble the score lines you have mentioned Goal. One sided games yes but not to the extremes you mention. Maybe the people involved with SSF now are just good at getting players, playing against players of similiar ability.

[BIG RED]

One thing that you may notice when you read the National Curriculum is some variations in the formats for Optus Small-Sided Football. These changes are necessary to ensure small-sided football fits into the overall philosophy and approach espoused in the National Curriculum and importantly, they are based on extensive research and feedback from the Australian football community. The changes do not take effect in the 2009 season and, as always, FFA will work closely with each Member Federation to plan a rollout that considers the individual circumstances within state and territory and builds on what has been achieved over the last 18 months.

The most significant changes are in the player numbers which will be as follows:

Under 6 & 7 4 v 4
Under 8 & 9 7 v 7 (including a goalkeeper)
Under 10 & 11 9 v 9 (including a goalkeeper)
Under 12 11 v 11

FFA will again be providing resources in preparation for the 2010 season which will include DVD’s, handbooks, flyers and posters. All of this material will detail all changes and will be available towards the end of 2009 for distribution by Member Federations, Zones/Associations and clubs.

Source - FFA Website

good to hear the ffa are listening to the feedback they have been given

[goal!!!]

well it was roo ball , then SSG now its SSF changing the letters does not mean its changing its spots , it sounds like someone cant get it right ( ponsi schemes keep changing the name BUT its still a PONZI scheme )

ive never seen a u6 20-0 game or heard of one in EDJSA .. 8-0 yes it happens but seriously 3 games in SSF what is the other side learning .. how not to touch the ball ? im not a big fan of this new Cir. forcing every team to play 4-3-3 is not always the best .. where is the expression of creativety and teams able to learn from different formations , when australia go to play agianst france as a 4 4 2 vs. a 4 3 3 ... hwo do the know how to deal with different styles ... i jsut dont agree you cant claim one thing and then do the opposite in several main areas of football - mark my words australia will not do well with this SSF its not the training the best nations use and we should eb laerning from the best ....

stats proove nothing its the actual pratical NOT gee that kid had 400 touches that makes him a great player -- its footy where we measure how many handballs and disposa;s we have had ? i understand a need to introduce a national cir. but lets use a better standard not some dreamed up aussie style ... which is unproven and only stats based ....

enough said i think

[Željko Jurin]

well it was roo ball , then SSG now its SSF changing the letters does not mean its changing its spots , it sounds like someone cant get it right ( ponsi schemes keep changing the name BUT its still a PONZI scheme )

ive never seen a u6 20-0 game or heard of one in EDJSA .. 8-0 yes it happens but seriously 3 games in SSF what is the other side learning .. how not to touch the ball ? im not a big fan of this new Cir. forcing every team to play 4-3-3 is not always the best .. where is the expression of creativety and teams able to learn from different formations , when australia go to play agianst france as a 4 4 2 vs. a 4 3 3 ... hwo do the know how to deal with different styles ... i jsut dont agree you cant claim one thing and then do the opposite in several main areas of football - mark my words australia will not do well with this SSF its not the training the best nations use and we should eb laerning from the best ....

stats proove nothing its the actual pratical NOT gee that kid had 400 touches that makes him a great player -- its footy where we measure how many handballs and disposa;s we have had ? i understand a need to introduce a national cir. but lets use a better standard not some dreamed up aussie style ... which is unproven and only stats based ....

enough said i think

Seeing you know so much, what do other countries do with kids football 5-8 yo, seeing this was the ages of the 200 kids/40+ teams that participated in the SSF Gala Day on Sunday, and in your words "its not the training the best nations use and we should eb laerning from the best .... " ???
The more I research (and I do a bit) the more I read that leading countries are NOT putting kids on full size pitches at 9yo's of age. Some countries dont do it until 13yo, and they have some form of SSF before this

As you can see by the different ages, player numbers and pitch sizes (u6/7 - 30 x 20m, u8/9 - 40 x 30m, u10/11- 60 x 40m), they are different forms of SSF (not just 4 v 4 from u5-u11), and more "AGE/SIZE APPROPRIATE"

As for the 4-3-3 system, that means AJAX are definately not doing the right thing with junior development then

[goal!!!]

im not saying 4 . 3. 3 is bad its just having a cir that only teaches this ? is a little hard to swallow.

secondly - SSF despite its percived benefits there are disadvatages , i think looking at spain , france , italy the way the juniors develop would be a better start .. it is different and yes SSF has a part to play but not the degree we intend ...

tell me something .. mod rules have devleoped many players to go onto high level from S.A in fact the only one , surely that tells you soemthing about mod rules vs. SSF (SSG < ROO BALL )

there is merit on both parts , its a shame the senior FFA dont do their homowrk enough

[Željko Jurin]

im not saying 4 . 3. 3 is bad its just having a cir that only teaches this ? is a little hard to swallow.

secondly - SSF despite its percived benefits there are disadvatages , i think looking at spain , france , italy the way the juniors develop would be a better start .. it is different and yes SSF has a part to play but not the degree we intend ...

tell me something .. mod rules have devleoped many players to go onto high level from S.A in fact the only one , surely that tells you soemthing about mod rules vs. SSF (SSG < ROO BALL )

there is merit on both parts , its a shame the senior FFA dont do their homowrk enough

It tell's me the systems (be it e&d mod rules, past ffsa rooball which then led to full pitch u11, etc) we have had for the last 30+ years in SA have NOT produced ONE world class player. Yes, SA players (frm both associations) have played professionally overseas, but we have NOT produced one technically gifted footballer in SA ever !!

Why not, we have 12 mths of the year of playable football weather (compared to alot of european countries and their winters), parks/ovals galour, big backyards (no appartment living) ?

Something has to change, and this gives kids as young as 4 or 5 the opportunity to start football at a young age, and progress with SIZE/AGE appropriate playing fields.

I guess we will be able to answer all questions in 15 years or so, but like I said, the 200+ youngsters that played SSF on Sunday loved every minute of it

[Rodney]

I see SSF as a vehicle to help lift the overall standard of our players over time.

It may or may not produce super stars as it is only part of the equation as children grow into adult players.

[Killa Pass]

I see SSF as a vehicle to help lift the overall standard of our players over time.

It may or may not produce super stars as it is only part of the equation as children grow into adult players.

Agree, watching again on the weekend just gone, SSF is great to develop the weaker player and getting younger kids playing the game. However I think more talented kids could play up to get a bit more of the concept of the game. Now with SSF in some form 7v7, 9v9 etc played right up to under 12's it will give the talented kids this opportunity.

Good move overall.

[paul merson]

im not saying 4 . 3. 3 is bad its just having a cir that only teaches this ? is a little hard to swallow.

secondly - SSF despite its percived benefits there are disadvatages , i think looking at spain , france , italy the way the juniors develop would be a better start .. it is different and yes SSF has a part to play but not the degree we intend ...

tell me something .. mod rules have devleoped many players to go onto high level from S.A in fact the only one , surely that tells you soemthing about mod rules vs. SSF (SSG < ROO BALL )

there is merit on both parts , its a shame the senior FFA dont do their homowrk enough

It tell's me the systems (be it e&d mod rules, past ffsa rooball which then led to full pitch u11, etc) we have had for the last 30+ years in SA have NOT produced ONE world class player. Yes, SA players (frm both associations) have played professionally overseas, but we have NOT produced one technically gifted footballer in SA ever !!

Why not, we have 12 mths of the year of playable football weather (compared to alot of european countries and their winters), parks/ovals galour, big backyards (no appartment living) ?

Something has to change, and this gives kids as young as 4 or 5 the opportunity to start football at a young age, and progress with SIZE/AGE appropriate playing fields.

I guess we will be able to answer all questions in 15 years or so, but like I said, the 200+ youngsters that played SSF on Sunday loved every minute of it

Zeljko do you think this comes down to aussie kids having a good way of life?

Brazil seem to produce a stack of quality players but is this due to the desperation of kids wanting to get out of their way of life?

Kids in Aus get playstations, x boxs, a choice of sports to play, an education ect

Many kids around the world could only dream of this hence the only players to really excel in any sport in Aus are those that are that dedicated its almost obsessive compulsive disorder. (Before anyone takes the p*ss about that comment hunt down the David James article about OCD)

I grew up enjoying football, as do most of us, but I didnt need football to live hence why I played to game to enjoy, I believe that a child with the exact same natural talent as me but the need to succeed would have achieved more. Just my opinion of course.

As for small sided games, Myself and Lee Robertson joined our under 13's last week for training and were gobsmacked at their touches in small sided games, they were very impressive, so when we showed them some drills we use in the first team they adapted very easily. What kids in SA need is experienced players helping and not just leaving it to parents ect.

[goal!!!]

i agree with u on the depseration side .. those kids want to succed to get of the hovels they live in , in aus we have a great life ... i guess the attitude has to change

and yes i dont think parents can teach SSG or SSF they barely can control thier emotions etc.. and in some cases have no knowledge of the game im not a great fan of SSF i jsut cant see how its going to help , apart from money into the ffa

[MegaBonus]

sorry merson..... dont agree for a couple of reasons....

1 - australia produces world class cricketers, union/league players, netballers, hockey players etc etc......its a fact, per head of population we have been (historically) one of the most successful sporting nations over an extended period of time.....

2 - first world countries also produce world class players


it simply comes down to 'what we teach, how we teach it and who teaches it'..... 'it' being fooball of course!!!

goal!!!

and yes i dont think parents can teach SSG or SSF

i dont think anyone is expected to 'teach SSG'. you have misunderstood the philosophy behind the reasons for its introduction.

[Željko Jurin]

im not saying 4 . 3. 3 is bad its just having a cir that only teaches this ? is a little hard to swallow.

secondly - SSF despite its percived benefits there are disadvatages , i think looking at spain , france , italy the way the juniors develop would be a better start .. it is different and yes SSF has a part to play but not the degree we intend ...

tell me something .. mod rules have devleoped many players to go onto high level from S.A in fact the only one , surely that tells you soemthing about mod rules vs. SSF (SSG < ROO BALL )

there is merit on both parts , its a shame the senior FFA dont do their homowrk enough

It tell's me the systems (be it e&d mod rules, past ffsa rooball which then led to full pitch u11, etc) we have had for the last 30+ years in SA have NOT produced ONE world class player. Yes, SA players (frm both associations) have played professionally overseas, but we have NOT produced one technically gifted footballer in SA ever !!

Why not, we have 12 mths of the year of playable football weather (compared to alot of european countries and their winters), parks/ovals galour, big backyards (no appartment living) ?

Something has to change, and this gives kids as young as 4 or 5 the opportunity to start football at a young age, and progress with SIZE/AGE appropriate playing fields.

I guess we will be able to answer all questions in 15 years or so, but like I said, the 200+ youngsters that played SSF on Sunday loved every minute of it

Zeljko do you think this comes down to aussie kids having a good way of life?

Brazil seem to produce a stack of quality players but is this due to the desperation of kids wanting to get out of their way of life?

Kids in Aus get playstations, x boxs, a choice of sports to play, an education ect

Many kids around the world could only dream of this hence the only players to really excel in any sport in Aus are those that are that dedicated its almost obsessive compulsive disorder. (Before anyone takes the p*ss about that comment hunt down the David James article about OCD)

I grew up enjoying football, as do most of us, but I didnt need football to live hence why I played to game to enjoy, I believe that a child with the exact same natural talent as me but the need to succeed would have achieved more. Just my opinion of course.

As for small sided games, Myself and Lee Robertson joined our under 13's last week for training and were gobsmacked at their touches in small sided games, they were very impressive, so when we showed them some drills we use in the first team they adapted very easily. What kids in SA need is experienced players helping and not just leaving it to parents ect.

Spot on, want to coach a Raiders junior team next year ???

We already have 4 ex-Super league players as coaches (as well as 3 ex-90s reserves players), you would fit in nicely

[goal!!!]

well i can say i told u so ! fees will damage the game.. ssg will SSF will allow clubs to increase fees , parents who cant afford or wont pay that sort of money wont send the kids to play and choose another sport. the area we are from has a high AFL footy - however since australia world cup entry we have seen a huge explosion and more every year since 2006 . however this new setup does have a huge potential to damage this and send kids back to footy afl .. yes fund raising is the key not peny pinching from kids.. wheres that int he stats ? and cir. ffa have put out .. i heard of a very large sydney club not all happy with fees and charges and SSG as a flop ! so much for unity ...

ffsa should have put a cap on it and asked each club to keep it low .. so its faor all round ...

[REDS]

:? quote, ssg will SSF will allow clubs to increase fees

Just one part of your post goal I am having trouble understanding.

I think I know what you are trying to say and yes clubs getting the fee structures right from all angles is important and also depends on many things. Sponsorship,fundrasing,overhead costs, player insurance, FFSA/FFA fees, what the club wants to offer the players in ways of equipment (including things like shirts,shorts,socks training shirts,tracksuits,balls etc etc) etc

So I dont think the FFA/FFSA can regulate to clubs what they are to charge there players because each club is different and they have different issues to concern themselves with.

If clubs dont get it right then yes it can impact on the numbers they get as the all mighty dollar is becoming more and more and issue in these current times. So I am sure clubs will make a real effort to make sure there fees they charge are reasonable .

The FFA/FFSA/Insurance cost per junior SSF players is approx $40/player here in SA pretty fair I would have thought.

[goal!!!]

ffsa site says 15.95 am i missing something how did you get 40 ?

[REDS]

ffsa site says 15.95 am i missing something how did you get 40 ?

I would say that justs the FFSA part of it then you have the FFA $10 fee and the $15(approx) for player insurance.

The E&D charges
Under 6 to Under 10 - $16.00/Player
Under 11 and above - $18.00/player

but this doesnt cover player insurance and this player insurance cost is covered by the individual clubs and what ever that is, is passed onto the players by the clubs I assume.

And the E&D dont have the FFA $10 fee and Im sure we all know why that is.

Also these fees/charges are per player per year if people didnt know

[Željko Jurin]

well i can say i told u so ! fees will damage the game.. ssg will SSF will allow clubs to increase fees , parents who cant afford or wont pay that sort of money wont send the kids to play and choose another sport. the area we are from has a high AFL footy - however since australia world cup entry we have seen a huge explosion and more every year since 2006 . however this new setup does have a huge potential to damage this and send kids back to footy afl .. yes fund raising is the key not peny pinching from kids.. wheres that int he stats ? and cir. ffa have put out .. i heard of a very large sydney club not all happy with fees and charges and SSG as a flop ! so much for unity ...

ffsa should have put a cap on it and asked each club to keep it low .. so its faor all round ...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in regards to $$$$$, but I can say that Raiders SSF this year was $147.50 per child. which gives you a FULL NIKE kit (shirt with name, shorts, socks) approx 50 training sessions (kids have the option to train once or twice a week) plus games, which have been organised for nearly all Raiders senior home games on Sat's, plus inter-club gala days every 2-3 weeks.

I cant speak for other clubs, but now you do the maths goal!!!!

[Southampton #7]

well i can say i told u so ! fees will damage the game.. ssg will SSF will allow clubs to increase fees , parents who cant afford or wont pay that sort of money wont send the kids to play and choose another sport. the area we are from has a high AFL footy - however since australia world cup entry we have seen a huge explosion and more every year since 2006 . however this new setup does have a huge potential to damage this and send kids back to footy afl .. yes fund raising is the key not peny pinching from kids.. wheres that int he stats ? and cir. ffa have put out .. i heard of a very large sydney club not all happy with fees and charges and SSG as a flop ! so much for unity ...

ffsa should have put a cap on it and asked each club to keep it low .. so its faor all round ...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in regards to $$$$$, but I can say that Raiders SSF this year was $147.50 per child. which gives you a FULL NIKE kit (shirt with name, shorts, socks) approx 50 training sessions (kids have the option to train once or twice a week) plus games, which have been organised for nearly all Raiders senior home games on Sat's, plus inter-club gala days every 2-3 weeks.

I cant speak for other clubs, but now you do the maths goal!!!!

what about putting the money into better coaches instead of tops with your name on it. i am sure a few bibs will do the job. i am sure FFSA can supply bibs with sponsor names . If your fair dinkum the cost to run is minimal for 6-8 year olds you dont even have to turn the lights on.

[theone]

try telling the kids they can't have a shirt with thier name and number on !

[Green_Manalishi]

Have not been won over by the SSF format to date, but saw SSF for the first time yesterday at HT during the Raiders Galaxy game.

Wow! Great display from what must have been U6s (U7s?). Future superstar in the shape of little Matty from Raiders - what a battler and great skills. Birkalla kids were good too

Might have to change my thinking.

[goal!!!]

can i ask the scores of the teams ?