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Wild Eagle wrote:Look, players will always be approached, I agree that the ethics are not great but it reflects on the situation as a whole; at this stage, I think it's fair to say that there are some setups which are more organised than others, but it also depends greatly on the kind of people the parents and children are: if anyone came to me to say that my 9 year old son/daughter could become a star by going to that club, I would tell them to get shiraz.

There are, though, many aspirational parents that think they have given birth to Maradona, Pele and Kewell rolled into one, so when they are approached, they think :' I knew it!'

Many parents behave like agents, that is more the concern, in my view.

So it's about the club, the educational process and the people that WANT to be there.

So the people that poach, more often than not will bring in aspirational people to the club...good luck to them if they don't deliver what they promised...

In the meantime, 'normal' clubs can get on with developing their players, as they should, for the right reasons. Education, fun, correct social behaviour, respect for oneself and others and skill acquisition.
I understand what your trying to say, but the parents & players can't take all the blame.

These clinics/academies should have ethics :P

Are they training kids extra skills or are they a recruiting centre?

Can't be both :roll:

Parents take their kids to these places in good faith, they do it because they believe their child can benefit from extra skills for the future; is that wrong?
If the staff of the academy gives the impression that the child will benefit from changing clubs is that wrong?

This is different from people going to games & poaching players.
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I understand what you are getting at. I was just pointing out it happens all the time and through different ways.

As far as I know, the clinic isn't a recruiting centre, if anything I think the parents on the sidelines do more recruiting than Jeff. :D

If they want to move, there's obviously something wrong with the club they are at. Perhaps they feel they will get the same level of coaching at the club as they do at the clinics. The fact that they take them to a clinic suggests that theres somehing wrong at their present club. I don't know, only guessing.

There's no regulations or ethics regarding clinics/schools, so its basicly down to parents and kids doing what they thinks best.
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My son go's to a clinic to improve on his skills and knowledge of the game he is lucky to have a good coach and gets plenty of team practise so for him its more like fine tuning which often coaches no matter how good they are have the time to do as they focus on a whole not individual so any extra is good in my book and i tend to agree with mooroffside it would be the by standers poaching not Jeff
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soccer mum wrote:My son go's to a clinic to improve on his skills and knowledge of the game he is lucky to have a good coach and gets plenty of team practise so for him its more like fine tuning which often coaches no matter how good they are have the time to do as they focus on a whole not individual so any extra is good in my book and i tend to agree with mooroffside it would be the by standers poaching not Jeff
It definitely was not the by-standers :oops:

I take my son to a clinic because he enjoys the extra training, has friends there & wants to better himself. He started in the off season, it was not for reasons moorside mentioned "fact that they take them to a clinic suggests that theres somehing wrong at their present club".

My son has friends at both clubs, same with my mates kids. He's sticking with the present club because he reckons the coach is very good but he was tempted & so was I. :roll:

I'm sorry, I just don't believe it is right for people involved in clinics/academies to push a club that they are involved in, of course parents will get involved but this was more than parents. There may be no regulations but there should be personal ethics, I thought that Jeff would have distanced himself from both his club & clinic. Just my personnel opinion.
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im sorry soccermum the clinic that my players went to i went to watch and TRUST me it was the coach who was trying to get the players to come along cause the silly person didnt realise who i was and asked the player in front of me if they would change clubs and play under him in club as well :roll:
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Jeda and Coyote :oops:

I didn't mean to offend you i am very supprised to hear your comments but lets face it if you have been with a club for a few years and are happy your not going to leave that easy, the only way my son would leave his club would be if he didnt get picked up for the new season or didnt like the knew coach if they changed.

Hope you get the answers you are looking for. :wink:
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Nothing like that at EFI.

My son & I are very happy with the way EFI is run, the coaches are all great & there's no politics.

The napier clinics probably seem to be little croydon, since Jeff is the coaching co-ordinator at Croydon there would be a large proportion of Croydon boys & parents down there, so there is bound to be a lot of talk about the club.
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soccer mum wrote:Jeda and Coyote :oops:

I didn't mean to offend you i am very supprised to hear your comments but lets face it if you have been with a club for a few years and are happy your not going to leave that easy, the only way my son would leave his club would be if he didnt get picked up for the new season or didnt like the knew coach if they changed.

Hope you get the answers you are looking for. :wink:
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johnydep wrote:Nothing like that at EFI.

My son & I are very happy with the way EFI is run, the coaches are all great & there's no politics.
Do you think EFI and Jeff are worth the money ??? (ie) being 2 or 3 times more expensive then the FFSA acadamies.
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It is interesting that the ffsa has not taken the opportunity to follow the other codes and have the senior league clubs develop a satellite process of training to develop good basics and then onto advanced skills sessions for all junior clubs not to mention having the clubs take away the us and them mentality with junior.

skill them better play them smarter the child gets richer then the club and competition get to be better
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Zeljko Jurin wrote:
johnydep wrote:Nothing like that at EFI.

My son & I are very happy with the way EFI is run, the coaches are all great & there's no politics.
Do you think EFI and Jeff are worth the money ??? (ie) being 2 or 3 times more expensive then the FFSA acadamies.
My mate takes his kids to Jeff's clinics & it is very expensive.

I take my son to EFI & it is only $70 a year more. I can also take my son to any or all the clinics, Monday to Friday.

It was a hard decision choosing which one to send my son to;
on one hand the FFSA academy may prepare the child better for selection into the state team.
On the other EFI has more than one day available and the player can go to any & all if desired, there is more than one coach and each conducts 'stations'. The players are seperated into groups & each group rotates to each coaching station once in a session, this is an excellent idea.
finally I left the decision to my son, he liked the coaches from the EFI & FFSA but eventually chose the EFI.

The door is still open for FFSA & I'm still watching it.

EDIT: I meant $70 a year more than the FFSA academy
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I hear there is a new clinic/academy starting up in about 3 weeks, a monday will be the anouncemant day.

Haven't we got enough, this may be all that's required to force one to shut the doors.
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why not send them to gleeson college??

this year we have milan ivanovic, sam miskelly and matt nicholls as FFSA coaches. the coordinator there is also about to gain his 'senior licence'.
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I was at the FFSA West academy tonight; things are moving fast, all the age groups were present, looked much better organised. I'm impressed, a lot of talented kids out there.
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johnydep wrote:I found the biggest problem was lack of information.

My son went to 4 trial days, at the end we were told that training will comence again after Christmas. We went back for several more and then I was told by the coach that he was doing it of his own back, it didn't count for any of the required hours.

I'd have prefered more info like;
The aim of the accadamy is......
After the trials you will be told if your child has been accepted....
The program for the year is.....


This should have come from the FFSA.

EDIT: this was for the U/10's
Has something changed, or is EFI crap ???? You seem to be toing and froing backwards and forwards ?????
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Zeljko Jurin wrote:
johnydep wrote:I found the biggest problem was lack of information.

My son went to 4 trial days, at the end we were told that training will comence again after Christmas. We went back for several more and then I was told by the coach that he was doing it of his own back, it didn't count for any of the required hours.

I'd have prefered more info like;
The aim of the accadamy is......
After the trials you will be told if your child has been accepted....
The program for the year is.....


This should have come from the FFSA.

EDIT: this was for the U/10's
Has something changed, or is EFI crap ???? You seem to be toing and froing backwards and forwards ?????
Just keeping myself informed.

First time I've seen all the age groups represented together at the FFSA
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efi is poo

i've done it 1ce for a whole year the coaches kept on holding me back and took a break coz i didn't lyk the coaches hu were runnning it...


i started again this year after a year break on the break they finally decide to do the selections to go to england which so happens to be wen i brake ma leg lols.......... not efi's fault i broke ma leg was skools......

buh lyk i did it again this year and lyk the guy coaching us was clueless on how to coach. he yells at the little kids wich are lyk 5,6,7 coz they can't controll the ball on their chest or can't complete a pass over 30 meters.... can't jump high enough to get a header when he throughs the ball lyk at a height where i can't even reach it....


its more of a kick-about really......


so i stopped doin it..... i might get back into it when the coach get everything all together....
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Black_Magick wrote:efi is poo

i've done it 1ce for a whole year the coaches kept on holding me back and took a break coz i didn't lyk the coaches hu were runnning it...


i started again this year after a year break on the break they finally decide to do the selections to go to england which so happens to be wen i brake ma leg lols.......... not efi's fault i broke ma leg was skools......

buh lyk i did it again this year and lyk the guy coaching us was clueless on how to coach. he yells at the little kids wich are lyk 5,6,7 coz they can't controll the ball on their chest or can't complete a pass over 30 meters.... can't jump high enough to get a header when he throughs the ball lyk at a height where i can't even reach it....


its more of a kick-about really......


so i stopped doin it..... i might get back into it when the coach get everything all together....
My son will stop going to EFI soon, but it's not because of the reasons you say.

Seven months and I've never heard a coach yell or seen a kid forced to do a 5 meter jump for a header :roll:

Next time, if you want to go on the England tour, don't take a whole year off.
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Black_Magick wrote:efi is poo

i've done it 1ce for a whole year the coaches kept on holding me back and took a break coz i didn't lyk the coaches hu were runnning it...


i started again this year after a year break on the break they finally decide to do the selections to go to england which so happens to be wen i brake ma leg lols.......... not efi's fault i broke ma leg was skools......

buh lyk i did it again this year and lyk the guy coaching us was clueless on how to coach. he yells at the little kids wich are lyk 5,6,7 coz they can't controll the ball on their chest or can't complete a pass over 30 meters.... can't jump high enough to get a header when he throughs the ball lyk at a height where i can't even reach it....


its more of a kick-about really......


so i stopped doin it..... i might get back into it when the coach get everything all together....

WTF!! your grammer is poo!
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bluenose wrote:
Black_Magick wrote:efi is poo

i've done it 1ce for a whole year the coaches kept on holding me back and took a break coz i didn't lyk the coaches hu were runnning it...


i started again this year after a year break on the break they finally decide to do the selections to go to england which so happens to be wen i brake ma leg lols.......... not efi's fault i broke ma leg was skools......

buh lyk i did it again this year and lyk the guy coaching us was clueless on how to coach. he yells at the little kids wich are lyk 5,6,7 coz they can't controll the ball on their chest or can't complete a pass over 30 meters.... can't jump high enough to get a header when he throughs the ball lyk at a height where i can't even reach it....


its more of a kick-about really......


so i stopped doin it..... i might get back into it when the coach get everything all together....

WTF!! your grammer is poo!

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EFI is a waste of time and money
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cadbury wrote:EFI is a waste of time and money

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light wrote:EFI is a waste of time and money
Black_Magick wrote:
cadbury wrote:EFI is a waste of time and money
true dat brotha lols
Black_Magick or is it cadbury or light, no need to become three people to say one thing :roll:

If there is something you don't like about EFI, say it. Don't come on here and try to character assassinate them, with out giving good reason.

Only kids, fools or idiots talk like that; "They're crap", why? "Because they're crap" Uh? "They're all crap"

Come on I know you can do better than that.

Let everyone know who you really are, then tell us all about the academy you think is better this minute :wink:

Also, drop the american black man talk, just shows you're hiding your identity :oops:
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johnydep wrote:
light wrote:EFI is a waste of time and money
Black_Magick wrote:
cadbury wrote:EFI is a waste of time and money
true dat brotha lols
Black_Magick or is it cadbury or light, no need to become three people to say one thing :roll:

If there is something you don't like about EFI, say it. Don't come on here and try to character assassinate them, with out giving good reason.

Only kids, fools or idiots talk like that; "They're crap", why? "Because they're crap" Uh? "They're all crap"

Come on I know you can do better than that.

Let everyone know who you really are, then tell us all about the academy you think is better this minute :wink:

Also, drop the american black man talk, just shows you're hiding your identity :oops:
i have sed something about it man....
read the whole topic....
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Black_Magick wrote:
johnydep wrote:
light wrote:EFI is a waste of time and money
Black_Magick wrote:
cadbury wrote:EFI is a waste of time and money
true dat brotha lols
Black_Magick or is it cadbury or light, no need to become three people to say one thing :roll:

If there is something you don't like about EFI, say it. Don't come on here and try to character assassinate them, with out giving good reason.

Only kids, fools or idiots talk like that; "They're crap", why? "Because they're crap" Uh? "They're all crap"

Come on I know you can do better than that.

Let everyone know who you really are, then tell us all about the academy you think is better this minute :wink:

Also, drop the american black man talk, just shows you're hiding your identity :oops:
i have sed something about it man....
read the whole topic....
:oops: :oops: Sounds like someone is having a bit of a sook :oops:

Reading your first post, it sounds like you're just crying about missing the England tour :? :lol: :lol: :lol:

There is a problem with EFI though, they can't get enough coaches :(
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Jeda wrote:
There is a problem with EFI though, they can't get enough coaches :(
Easy, just limit the number of players then. That's what Jeff Napier does, has a "cap" on player numbers
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Zeljko Jurin wrote:
Jeda wrote:
There is a problem with EFI though, they can't get enough coaches :(
Easy, just limit the number of players then. That's what Jeff Napier does, has a "cap" on player numbers
Good idea, but I hear that the problem is coaches leaving for greener pastures (more money) :shock:
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get coaches that know what they are doing my first efi coach was good, his name was matt or somthing along those lines...

some of the coaches hey got now are clueless honestly...


instead of capping the limit of players why not just get rid of the little kids i'm pretty sure they wont be heading off on any wuro tour any time soon...
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