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wiseoldman wrote:after reading the last few blogs it seems logic will always come 2nd to thoughful junior development?.................................., with the reasoning of some of you guys on this blog its no wonder sa has been in the dark ages recently in producing quality youngsters than previous decades, put your club and self interests aside and concentrate on player development.......................................................!!!!not your short sighted ego strocking ways....................................all parents, coaches and kids talk from each club and unfotunately croydon is one that has short term goals......maybe we are all wrong but actions speak louder than blogs.....be interesting to observe the change in club attitute now that the respected john kosmina is on board........i hope he is successful in changing that short sighted mentally.........i wish you all the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You think you know what you are talking about, but the reality is you don't have a clue. One player 'plays down' in a game and for some reason you go off the deep end and try and convince us that you are the fount of all knowledge on the subject. If Croydon has such a short sighted mentally as you claim, then why would they have gone and employed Kosmina?

Good luck extracting the bullet from your foot :clown:
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I'm sensing a bit of sour grapes coming through. How can u make that comment when u obviously having nothing to do with Croydon. Signing John means the club is continuing with these long term goals that are already in place. Unless u are involved in the club keep ur negative thoughts to yourself and don't speculate on croydons future!  go Croydon kings!!!
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first of all it happens with more than one player.......
secondly not bagging just constructive feedback............
thirdly take off your rose coloured glasses off and look at whats best for junior football in sa.......

and finally if things have been that successful down at ckfc why appoint such a high profile coach?

always look to improve rather than be stagnent in your ways
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I can guarantee one thing, Kosi is far from a long term coach, forget about the future with John, he is a signing for the moment, and many will be shocked if he is in charge by 2013.

Good luck to em though and get what you can while he is there, might need to lift your junior fees though to keep him.
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AL K HOLIC wrote:I can guarantee one thing, Kosi is far from a long term coach, forget about the future with John, he is a signing for the moment, and many will be shocked if he is in charge by 2013.

Good luck to em though and get what you can while he is there, might need to lift your junior fees though to keep him.
I'm thinking you can guarantee absolutely nothing of the sort!
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Bomber wrote:
AL K HOLIC wrote:I can guarantee one thing, Kosi is far from a long term coach, forget about the future with John, he is a signing for the moment, and many will be shocked if he is in charge by 2013.

Good luck to em though and get what you can while he is there, might need to lift your junior fees though to keep him.
I'm thinking you can guarantee absolutely nothing of the sort!

Fair call time will tell.
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Looks like ABE coach found a friend .
Went out on the weakend to watch top of table clash u/12 central
AC VERSE METRO metro's coach what a mouth .
Go for the player not the ball . calling the ref for subs
with no subs to go on. just wasting time , lucky the ref was his friend from
metro's. score 0-0
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So, i guess what your saying is, Metro won the league over AC on that result and your not happy.
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Cruyff i agree, i actually went to watch this game as well as toros forfeit our game so we went to have a look. Metro first half played some really nice soccer and could have scored, second half was very scrappy with city pushing hard just not able to break down the defence. All in all i think metro deserved top spot with how they have played the ball around all season
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Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
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BornStriker wrote:Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
The recent post was about U12s and if you think a half time spray with a few expletives in it is appropriate then obviously you and I agree to disagree.
I think U14s is inappropriate as well.
Is it appropriate for a schoolteacher to swear at the Kids?
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kings wrote:Looks like ABE coach found a friend .
Went out on the weakend to watch top of table clash u/12 central
AC VERSE METRO metro's coach what a mouth .
Go for the player not the ball . calling the ref for subs
with no subs to go on. just wasting time , lucky the ref was his friend from
metro's. score 0-0

Well done Metro's were was the kings.
KINGS don't come to our games and complain about our coaches
look in your back yard. Our coach is very passionate and all the parents are happy
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Big Mac wrote:
BornStriker wrote:Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
The recent post was about U12s and if you think a half time spray with a few expletives in it is appropriate then obviously you and I agree to disagree.
I think U14s is inappropriate as well.
Is it appropriate for a schoolteacher to swear at the Kids?


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Never stopped Colossus. Oh thats right, he got sacked for swearing at kids, didnt he. :wink:
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Big Mac wrote:
BornStriker wrote:Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
The recent post was about U12s and if you think a half time spray with a few expletives in it is appropriate then obviously you and I agree to disagree.
I think U14s is inappropriate as well.
Is it appropriate for a schoolteacher to swear at the Kids?
Everything is inappropriate these days. politically incorrect in some way. everyone's gone soft. You think over in England at clubs like United, Arsenal etc that parents care if their 12 year old boy gets a dressing down from Sir Alex Ferguson? I know im giving an extreme example, but these "kids" probably use much more abusive language themselves at school and home. Ages 12+ in football is key for development, very talented kids are probably only 2-4 years away from first team football and as i said, "babying" them isn't going to do them any favors.

May i also add im not suggesting swearing is the answer, but a few expletives is never gonna hurt anyone.
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BornStriker wrote:Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
What level 1st team football are you refering to that if they don't get sworn at in juniors they won't be prepared for later on?
I have it on good grounds that when Ad.City were in the NSL under Zoran Matic, there was a ban on any player swearing during games or trainings put in place by the coach. Players had to come up with other words to express their frustrations. Hence why you will hear people like Serge Melta saying Fritz and Sauce in the heat of the moment rather than swearing.

You can't justify swearing, regardless of the situation, but even more so around children. A few years back I witnessed a coach at NAB yelling at an U/10 player asking him if he was performing so poorly because he had a big night the night before... U/10 player... what was the expected response...?!?!
"Yeah I had a few mates around from Out of School Hours Care, and there was a Justin Bieber concert on in the city and it finished at 9:30 so I was up way past my bedtime, and we all drank Red Cordial till we were hyper and sick..."

Should we show them all porn and graphic violent behaviour too... just to make sure they are ready for adulthood?

Coaches have no need to swear and carry on. That just shows a lack of discipline and control of ones self. Is the need to win and boost the coaching resume that great, and is the prestige of winning a junior competition as a player or coach some much more valuable than being a good person and role model?

Seriously, how anyone can justify this type of behaviour is just silly.

Just focus on the football your team are trying to play. Don't blame all the external factors you can come up with. Maybe you've lost cause the players haven't been coached properly...? Maybe you shouldn't even value a win or loss at junior level at all, regardless of what the federation sets up for junior leagues.
Focus on the long term future of the PLAYER, not your short term future as a coach (though having the title doesn't confirm you fit the definition).

Coach techniques and philosophies the players can use all the way through their career. Anyone can win one game doing something, only the right coaching will produce a consistant performance as a by-product of the methods.
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BornStriker wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
BornStriker wrote:Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
The recent post was about U12s and if you think a half time spray with a few expletives in it is appropriate then obviously you and I agree to disagree.
I think U14s is inappropriate as well.
Is it appropriate for a schoolteacher to swear at the Kids?
Everything is inappropriate these days. politically incorrect in some way. everyone's gone soft. You think over in England at clubs like United, Arsenal etc that parents care if their 12 year old boy gets a dressing down from Sir Alex Ferguson? I know im giving an extreme example, but these "kids" probably use much more abusive language themselves at school and home. Ages 12+ in football is key for development, very talented kids are probably only 2-4 years away from first team football and as i said, "babying" them isn't going to do them any favors.

May i also add im not suggesting swearing is the answer, but a few expletives is never gonna hurt anyone.
Do you think at any of the big clubs around the world the first team manager is involved in anyway with the juniors? So because kids are doing it, we should just embrace it and do it to? It won't hurt, it's only a little swear word...
It's just a little alcohol...
It's only a little weed...
It's only one pill...
It's just a little gun...
Everyone else is doing it...

Of course if we keep setting the standards of "it's ok cause everyone else is doing it" to our junior players, they'll grow up to be smashing members of society... weren't we all proud during the Cronulla riots... and with what happened in England recently.
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BornStriker wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
BornStriker wrote:Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
The recent post was about U12s and if you think a half time spray with a few expletives in it is appropriate then obviously you and I agree to disagree.
I think U14s is inappropriate as well.
Is it appropriate for a schoolteacher to swear at the Kids?
Everything is inappropriate these days. politically incorrect in some way. everyone's gone soft. You think over in England at clubs like United, Arsenal etc that parents care if their 12 year old boy gets a dressing down from Sir Alex Ferguson? I know im giving an extreme example, but these "kids" probably use much more abusive language themselves at school and home. Ages 12+ in football is key for development, very talented kids are probably only 2-4 years away from first team football and as i said, "babying" them isn't going to do them any favors.

May i also add im not suggesting swearing is the answer, but a few expletives is never gonna hurt anyone.
Our game is about discipline.
If the Coach has none what chance do the Kids have?
Expletives dont instruct or motivate.
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rabbit wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
BornStriker wrote:Although i don't condone abusive behavior to kids, officials or opposing coaches, i think we can go too far in the opposite direction and 'baby' these kids, not preparing them for senior football and beyond. A dressing down from a coach with a few expletives is part of the game and as long as the comments aren't personal attacks on players or officials, i don't have a problem with them.

As for teams dropping down individuals to win games, there are two sides to it. Yes, it may not directly be focusing on player development for that particular game. but overall ensuring the players remain in the 'A' Division and continue to apply their skills against the other elite players in the state, is very important to their development. There may be 4 or 5 top level players per team at u14 level, in which clubs are very keen to keep hold of considering these players may be pushing first team in 2-3 seasons. How many of those players would stay if their 'A' teams were relegated to lower divisions?
The recent post was about U12s and if you think a half time spray with a few expletives in it is appropriate then obviously you and I agree to disagree.
I think U14s is inappropriate as well.
Is it appropriate for a schoolteacher to swear at the Kids?


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Your teachers....or wardens? :lol:
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