cumberland parents

[Best On Ground]

Was a parent at last nights game ad uni verse cumberland 17s, cumby losing 1 nil half time, second half scored two early goals when the second goal went in parents were heard to say and run and jump up and down the line screaming were are your state league girls now. Totally unhappy about the week before when uni played a different squad of girls which were all of age and able to play under the rules. With one minute to go a great goal by a young girl who i believe is only 13 and was playing up from the fifteens sealed the game for uni. Well done uni , cumberland parents next time drop your daughters of go home and leave them to play.To the cumby girls you are a great side enjoyed the game one of the best i have seen this year. Parents stop living your life through the girls.

[juniorsupporter]

Every team has parents associated with it who get caught up in the heat of an exciting game and say inappropriate things, as inappropriate as tarring all "Cumberland parents" with the same brush. Uni's club policy of replacing girls in a side with age eligible players from higher divisions (i.e. playing 9 (looked at the team sheet) regular State League players in an under 17 cup round) has generated some hard feelings not just at Cumberland but at several other clubs in the division as well. If they are good enough to be playing state league (some of them winning best on pitch regularly) and have been placed on that side, regardless of their ages, they are probably too good for U17's and are obviously just being dropped to win silverware. If you don't like it when people point that out, tough.

[Fatboy]

I believe a Uni parent had to go and stand on the Cumby sideline in the second half because of some comments been directed at the Uni girls. I also heard that Cumby dropped at least 2 Premier league regulars (possibly more) down for last nights game, funny that...

[lfc#19]

funny that, I could've sworn I saw 4-5 Adelaide Uni state league players last night... Those players weren't premier league players either, I beleive they are regular reserve players. It's pathetic Uni feel they need to win so badly, in my books winning by cheating isn't really a win!

[juniorsupporter]

I have to point out that Uni haven't cheated, as they haven't violated any rules, just exploited loopholes. I would argue that they have violated the spirit of the rules and of junior football in general- how do the players that were replaced in last week's cup round develop? Is it a development opportunity for the state league players to play U17? Cumberland did bring reserves players down last night, but only to compensate for injuries and absences- to make up numbers. Both teams played well- good on Uni for not giving up when they went down 2-1 in the second half- Cumberland lost intensity and Uni exploited that. Both sides have parents who say inappropriate things, both have parents who live through their kids.

[juniorsupporter]

And that Uni parent who came over came to talk to me- not to police Cumberland parents.

[Fatboy]

Perhaps you where the trouble maker Junior???

[juniorsupporter]

You caught me! Can't get anything past you, fat boy!

[themagnet]

I believe a Uni parent had to go and stand on the Cumby sideline in the second half because of some comments been directed at the Uni girls. I also heard that Cumby dropped at least 2 Premier league regulars (possibly more) down for last nights game, funny that...

funny that, I could've sworn I saw 4-5 Adelaide Uni state league players last night... Those players weren't premier league players either, I beleive they are regular reserve players. It's pathetic Uni feel they need to win so badly, in my books winning by cheating isn't really a win!

Pot, kettle, black
as long as the players qualify by age, then it's within the rules

[Brillo]

And every club does it....

[Leppskiii]

Bit of whiteline fever going on, it's that time of the year everyone just needs to build one! Also who cares what the crowd says just get on with it, shouldn't matter if you 100% believe that you are not in the wrong anyway!

[The General]

And every club does it....

not quite ,every club that has more then one team does it,those of us involved with one team clubs wear it more then anyone. I think it is really bad from both the above mentioned clubs the comments that are going around, you both need to let it go and get on with it. Both clubs have reputations of exploiting the rules to their fullest,and along with other clubs will continue to do so as long as the rules allow it.

It is not just about the rules, it is about is it in the spirit of the game ?
That is why the rules need to be changed,where you register a squad for each team you nominate,and only those players can play. End of story ! None of this crap about juniors being allowed free movement, or to be allowed to move 3 players up/down , because, clubs are abusing it !!!

It was originally introduced to allow the faster developing players the opportunity to progress into the higher divisions, NOT to bring your good players down form higher grades for certain games because of ongoing not so friendly rivalry between certain clubs.

How else are you going to control it ? Unless we change something, we will continue to hear the same comments above,and we will remain the cellar dwellers in the W League.

[Deutschland Duchess]

And every club does it....

Get your facts right Brillo! Not every club does it

[muts]

Maybe big Kev can get the security guards in again hey B.O.G.?

[filric]

I think the FFSA needs to look at the rules on player movement. What is happenig at the moment is not in the spirit of the competition and not all clubs do it.

As the rules stand now it favours clubs with senior womens teams. Clubs like ABE do not have seniors and yet are able to be competitive, because they are teaching girls the basics about our game, working on tequnique and tactics etc etc - this is what development is all about; and if you get these elements right winning will come. The table shows it with ABE:

Table After Round 20 POS TEAM P W L D F A GD PTS
1 Adelaide Blue Eagles 18 15 2 1 67 6 61 46
2 Cumberland United 18 14 4 0 69 18 51 42
3 Adelaide Uni 19 13 4 2 78 24 54 41
4 Para Hills Knights 17 12 3 2 75 20 55 38
5 Fulham United 18 8 8 2 53 31 22 26
6 Western Toros 17 5 8 4 27 35 -8 19
7 Adelaide Hills 17 6 10 1 31 48 -17 19
8 South Adelaide 18 6 11 1 42 71 -29 19
9 Sturt Marion 17 5 10 2 22 57 -35 17
10 Para Hills United 17 4 12 1 29 86 -57 13
11 Para Hills East 18 1 17 0 14 111 -97 3

Teams like Adelaide Uni have got it wrong - they have played 9-10 of their state league players down into their U17's and yet they will not end up winning the league anyway!

What is happening with player movement has nothing to do with development - its all about winning at any cost. No wonder the womens league is in the state it is.

[SAD GAL]

went to a game that involved Cumby and teher was one group of Cumby parents whose behaviour was poor and showed bad sportsmanship.

There's a difference between supporting and enjoying and applauding excellent play (even from the opposition) AND disrespectful behaviur. SHAME

P.s I don't think Chris G would condone this type of stuff

[juniorsupporter]

Yeah, we're all such ratbags!

[BEN9]

I think it could be a good marketing tool for the other clubs.

Surely the girls who get dropped after playing most of the games in the team would be wondering why would I stay at this club?
I'll go somewhere where I can play in the "Important Games".

[Caretaker Coach]

I think the FFSA needs to look at the rules on player movement. What is happenig at the moment is not in the spirit of the competition and not all clubs do it.

As the rules stand now it favours clubs with senior womens teams. Clubs like ABE do not have seniors and yet are able to be competitive, because they are teaching girls the basics about our game, working on tequnique and tactics etc etc - this is what development is all about; and if you get these elements right winning will come. The table shows it with ABE:

Table After Round 20 POS TEAM P W L D F A GD PTS
1 Adelaide Blue Eagles 18 15 2 1 67 6 61 46
2 Cumberland United 18 14 4 0 69 18 51 42
3 Adelaide Uni 19 13 4 2 78 24 54 41
4 Para Hills Knights 17 12 3 2 75 20 55 38
5 Fulham United 18 8 8 2 53 31 22 26
6 Western Toros 17 5 8 4 27 35 -8 19
7 Adelaide Hills 17 6 10 1 31 48 -17 19
8 South Adelaide 18 6 11 1 42 71 -29 19
9 Sturt Marion 17 5 10 2 22 57 -35 17
10 Para Hills United 17 4 12 1 29 86 -57 13
11 Para Hills East 18 1 17 0 14 111 -97 3

Teams like Adelaide Uni have got it wrong - they have played 9-10 of their state league players down into their U17's and yet they will not end up winning the league anyway!

What is happening with player movement has nothing to do with development - its all about winning at any cost. No wonder the womens league is in the state it is.

I agree, I think that is the point the General was making earlier - I would not be surprised if the only clubs that dont want to change the current player movement rules, are all the ones who abuse it.

[Caretaker Coach]

went to a game that involved Cumby and teher was one group of Cumby parents whose behaviour was poor and showed bad sportsmanship.

There's a difference between supporting and enjoying and applauding excellent play (even from the opposition) AND disrespectful behaviur. SHAME

P.s I don't think Chris G would condone this type of stuff

Maybe it starts from the top ( with all clubs ) , and he is not as innocent as some people think, allegedly.

[juniorsupporter]

Caretaker, I think vague, speculative comments like that which call into question someone's character are unnecessary, and in this case completely inaccurate.

[CANARIES]

Is this topic for real or what? I've seen over 40 Cumby games this year and are yet to see a single incident that has Cumby parents behaving badly, or for that matter coaches or players. Perhaps you should tell us your story SAD GAL, 'cause I think your dreaming.
ONE parent making a comment about "your state league players" during an Adelaide Uni game is hardly worthy of a public slanging match. Maybe just hit a raw nerve, hey, Best On Ground. Attack is always a great defense. It's not like it's not the truth anyway, with 8/9 state league players, at a time, as listed by Adelaide Uni and published in the FFSA media guide, having been played in cup AND league games recently.
You're almost guaranteed some silverware for the season with the 17s cup, enjoy........ Mission accomplished. [ sorry Fulham ]

[filric]

We played Cumby 3 times this year and we had no issue with any of their parents, supportes, players or officials - in actual fact they were good sports when they won and gracious in defeat.

As far as Adelaide Uni is concerned - sorry to say but they have it wrong. Yes team sports is about winning, but its how you go about winning that is important if we are serious about developing the game.

[Fatboy]

From what I've heard Uni's goal was to make the U17 Cup final this year with their strongest team, as there is no U16 STIC this year and to have these girls get noticed and identified for next year's U15/U16 Development/SASI team. Whether you agree or not with their actions is open for debate, but at least they had a gameplan in place. I wish my club would look at the big picture, instead of the same few players whose parents are on the committee keep getting "identified".....

[Caretaker Coach]

Caretaker, I think vague, speculative comments like that which call into question someone's character are unnecessary, and in this case completely inaccurate.

ask the people who play at the ground where Cumberland use to play ? they too may have a difference of opinion.
and to add to what filric said,there are some good people at Cumberland.

[Caretaker Coach]

From what I've heard Uni's goal was to make the U17 Cup final this year with their strongest team, as there is no U16 STIC this year and to have these girls get noticed and identified for next year's U15/U16 Development/SASI team. Whether you agree or not with their actions is open for debate, but at least they had a gameplan in place. I wish my club would look at the big picture, instead of the same few players whose parents are on the committee keep getting "identified".....

I am afraid you are missing the point completely.

[Fatboy]

What point would that be Caretaker??
The one where you have an axe to grind against Cumby Or the one about Team stacking that obviously led to the Cumby parent outburst and started this thread??
There are good and bad elements at every club, yours included no doubt....

[Hunter]

Caretaker Coach - outrageous, inaccurate and totally unfair comment about CG.

I know him and his wife Carol well. They have both worked hard for the Women's game in SA for many years at Cumberland, State and SASI.

I have heard that they are both now moving away from the game and I'm not surprised if they read crappy comments like this.

Can the game really afford to lose hardworking people like this. Remember, they, like everyone else, are volunteers.

Shame on you

[SAD GAL]

If Chris and Carol move away from the game...then the whole comp is a Joke.

The list of departees is growing and reflects the sad state of affairs.

I do not know how it can be arrested and turned around.

Hope the CG rumour is WRONG!!!

[ballmaster]

Carol & Chris are at Galaxy Super Leagues Men Club. Carol is trainer for the seniors and Chris is helping out as assistant coach i believe. Good on them to stay in the game even if it is not with the women anymore.