coaches behaviour

[smilie]

do we allow coaches to swear at their players at half time and at the end of the game, and then parents and kids having ago at the opposition coach and opposition players.
During this game the kids mouthed off at the referee as well. This should not happen at all and it was disgusting to watch. Blue eagles should take the lose graciously and move on. I certainly wouldnt take my son to that club!!!
This occured at a u/14 a game croydon v blue eagles.

[clubman]

do we allow coaches to swear at their players at half time and at the end of the game, and then parents and kids having ago at the opposition coach and opposition players.
During this game the kids mouthed off at the referee as well. This should not happen at all and it was disgusting to watch. Blue eagles should take the lose graciously and move on. I certainly wouldnt take my son to that club!!!
This occured at a u/14 a game croydon v blue eagles.

Is this the croydon u/14 team that has isuues with all clubs.
Was the referee the one sent by ffsa
Was the referee from croydon kings
Is this the croydon u/14 team that had issues with player cards
Is this the croydon u/14 team that drops players from u/17 for games.
Smilie all teams have bad days .

[smilie]

u/14a does not have any problems with other clubs!
We dont use the fxxx word towards our players either.
I agree you can have a bad day but we dont treat our kids with disrespect.
One player came down to play from the 17's only who anyway is only 13.
We certainly didnt fill our team with u/15's.
anyway at the end of the day it was a good result for croydon.
The referee was appointed by the ffsa not by croydon,therefore its not our problem.

[smilie]

no problem with players cards either- discuss that one with ffsa.

[kings]

croydon u/14 are the best and we will do what ever we have to do to stay top
the ref was sent by ffsa yes he is from our club. who cares
bringing player down from u/17 is all part of development

[johnydep]

do we allow coaches to swear at their players at half time and at the end of the game, and then parents and kids having ago at the opposition coach and opposition players.
During this game the kids mouthed off at the referee as well. This should not happen at all and it was disgusting to watch. Blue eagles should take the lose graciously and move on. I certainly wouldnt take my son to that club!!!
This occured at a u/14 a game croydon v blue eagles.

Is this the croydon u/14 team that has isuues with all clubs.
Was the referee the one sent by ffsa
Was the referee from croydon kings
Is this the croydon u/14 team that had issues with player cards
Is this the croydon u/14 team that drops players from u/17 for games.
Smilie all teams have bad days .

Don't forget the U19 player.

[smilie]

the u/19 is the u/17 player (same person)

[justmyopinion]

first of all................................... bringing down players simply to win a game shows that the coach has no confidence in his own players ability and his own coaching abilty......only worried about scores and not player and team development......very poor form from croydon..........................


secondly ......................... that particular u14 abe coach may well be running out of clubs to go to as all the right people at abe all agree its time to move him on..... the way he conducts himself with the kids is a disgrace and embarrasing for all involved

[Whiteslane]

first of all................................... bringing down players simply to win a game shows that the coach has no confidence in his own players ability and his own coaching abilty......only worried about scores and not player and team development......very poor form from croydon..........................


secondly ......................... that particular u14 abe coach may well be running out of clubs to go to as all the right people at abe all agree its time to move him on..... the way he conducts himself with the kids is a disgrace and embarrasing for all involved

wiseoldman i agree 100% especially with your second point. Having had the displeasure of this rodent coaching my son, how he can be
held in such high esteem by some parents is beyond me. A few that i know blindly followed him to ABE and im sure will follow him to whichever club he goes to and he is the first one to tell anyone how good he is.

[johnydep]

We've already been over this; the boy in question was selected for the U14A team. Early in the year he was asked to trial with SASI, then went back to U14 State trials. The club decided to give him some experience of playing in the U19's (because SASI play in the Reserve league), he then assisted the U17's when players started to move up and the team was short. During all this he is still a young boy that has just turned 14 years old. The club (and his parent) is looking after his physical and mental well-being.

With the 19's season finished young players still need to train and get game time to develop, so the younger players are going back to their teams and now our 17's are not struggling for numbers, as happened mid season.

Does one player make a difference to a team? Depends how you look at it. One game with the 14's team they lost 4 or 5:2 to Raiders with the boy, the next game we won without him.
Having him on the team helps with his confidence, and his team mates get to see what playing up can do.

Ask the boy what's more important to him; winning a league, or playing for a professional club? I know his answer, and the club will try and help him and any other player that has the ambition and determination to be a professional player; that includes training up to 4 nights per week and playing 2 - 3 games for school, club and State. Keeping up with school work and practicing at home instead of PS3, and being loyal to his club.

His first team is the U14A's, his second is the U17A's, his third is the school soccer team, and State is his stepping stone to the next level.

[black]

We've already been over this; the boy in question was selected for the U14A team. Early in the year he was asked to trial with SASI, then went back to U14 State trials. The club decided to give him some experience of playing in the U19's (because SASI play in the Reserve league), he then assisted the U17's when players started to move up and the team was short. During all this he is still a young boy that has just turned 14 years old. The club (and his parent) is looking after his physical and mental well-being.

With the 19's season finished young players still need to train and get game time to develop, so the younger players are going back to their teams and now our 17's are not struggling for numbers, as happened mid season.

Does one player make a difference to a team? Depends how you look at it. One game with the 14's team they lost 4 or 5:2 to Raiders with the boy, the next game we won without him.
Having him on the team helps with his confidence, and his team mates get to see what playing up can do.

Ask the boy what's more important to him; winning a league, or playing for a professional club? I know his answer, and the club will try and help him and any other player that has the ambition and determination to be a professional player; that includes training up to 4 nights per week and playing 2 - 3 games for school, club and State. Home work and practice at home instead of PS3, and being loyal to his club.

His first team is the U14A's, his second is the U17A's, his third is the school soccer team and State is his stepping stone to the next level.

Good luck to him.
I wish some other clubs displayed and demonstrated the commitment you and your club does.
Keep up the good work JD.

[G-Star]

Good on Croydon for their conduct. Things could've blown out of proportion. Bagging and swearing at the ref after the game was disgusting.
I was at the last 30 min of that game and couldn't believe the behavior of the B/Eagles players and their coaching staff. I don't blame the b/eagles kids, they were carrying on a bit, but they obviously felt pressured to win from the coach. When the leader acts like a tool, the soldiers tend to follow.
B/eagles are a very good team and play a nice style of football, all the other crap should be left on the ground

[Hollygirl]

Everyone seems to know this coach...people have mentioned he is running out of clubs...where has he come from?

[spooky1972]

let me guess the ref with the beard?

[clubman]

first of all................................... bringing down players simply to win a game shows that the coach has no confidence in his own players ability and his own coaching abilty......only worried about scores and not player and team development......very poor form from croydon..........................


secondly ......................... that particular u14 abe coach may well be running out of clubs to go to as all the right people at abe all agree its time to move him on..... the way he conducts himself with the kids is a disgrace and embarrasing for all involved

wiseoldman spot on

JD great to see you support you're son and club actions
u/17 friday night games come in handy. all about development.
ABE u/14 coach has major issues .
but so does croydons u/14 team win at all cost .

[stiring the porridge]

he is a cheat plain and simple, Croydon are a disgrace, how many ref issues does the FFSA need before they take a good look down there, they are just as bad, shame shame shame

[johnydep]

It's a shame that there are parents with the balls to blame anyone and everyone over a game for kids; stiring the porridge, clubman, spooky1972. All tough and wise hiding behind a user name, coming into the junior forum to whine about a game for kids. I hate to say, but Jeda was right http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =7&t=56686

Good luck at your clubs, please stay there.

[stiring the porridge]

It's a shame that there are parents with the balls to blame anyone and everyone over a game for kids; stiring the porridge, clubman, spooky1972. All tough and wise hiding behind a user name, coming into the junior forum to whine about a game for kids. I hate to say, but Jeda was right http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =7&t=56686

Good luck at your clubs, please stay there.

We will, its very strange that many clubs of diff ages who go to croydon experience the same shiraz, they all can't be talking cabernet, where there is smoke there is fire

[johnydep]

It's a shame that there are parents with the balls to blame anyone and everyone over a game for kids; stiring the porridge, clubman, spooky1972. All tough and wise hiding behind a user name, coming into the junior forum to whine about a game for kids. I hate to say, but Jeda was right http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =7&t=56686

Good luck at your clubs, please stay there.

We will, its very strange that many clubs of diff ages who go to croydon experience the same shiraz, they all can't be talking cabernet, where there is smoke there is fire

Tell you what, come out of your hole and speak to me one on one; Campbelltown this week watching the game.

[kings]

great smilie croydon kings are no 1

[justmyopinion]

johnnydep...........................were the u14s short on players for the abe game.....?...hopefully no other regular player missed out on game time by sitting on the bench watching a talented player who plays more than one game a week?

also if the 14`s team was short on players isnt it better for player development to then promote and reward outstanding players from u12`s or u13`s or 14b`s who thru playing well also deserve the opportunity to be pushed up an age group?

is croydon all about developing this one player and coaches and parents high-fiving each other after another meaninless win or is it about promoting and teaching ALL its players that winning at this age isnt as important as developing you skills, team play and playing technically correct attractive football ahead of any win.....?

im sure with john kosmina now in charge things will be changing hopefully for the better.

[johnydep]

johnnydep...........................were the u14s short on players for the abe game.....?...hopefully no other regular player missed out on game time by sitting on the bench watching a talented player who plays more than one game a week?

also if the 14`s team was short on players isnt it better for player development to then promote and reward outstanding players from u12`s or u13`s or 14b`s who thru playing well also deserve the opportunity to be pushed up an age group?

is croydon all about developing this one player and coaches and parents high-fiving each other after another meaninless win or is it about promoting and teaching ALL its players that winning at this age isnt as important as developing you skills, team play and playing technically correct attractive football ahead of any win.....?

im sure with john kosmina now in charge things will be changing hopefully for the better.

This is tiring... yes the 14's were short, so where a couple of other age groups. Yes it's good to bring players up, but not all kids care about playing at the highest level, some just want to stay with their team mates. If they're asked and say no, what do we do? Pressure them?

Yes the club is about development, and again I point out that the boy in question is still developing. Just because he has played at higher age levels does not mean that his development is complete, he's not a super star, he's a kid that has good days and bad days on the pitch. He's still learning, and the U14's coach can still teach him a thing or two.

You don't even know the system the we have, yet you have the gall to make that silly last comment.

Croydon Kings FC has 22 junior teams and 3 senior teams, we constantly try and move players around and help coaches to work within our system.

If all the people on here that are slinging mud where serious about junior player development, they'd come down to CKFC and talk to the guys that do all the work. At the moment all I see from this site is a group of people so wrapped up in their own little football world they'd say and do anything and not care about the consequences.

This is supposed to be a junior forum that helps the game grow, to help young kids by sharing knowledge and resources amongst them and the adult carers and coaches.

Lately it has become a cauldron of hate, jealousy and abuse.

How many have contributed positively to the forum? How many have posted something that will help a young player, coach or parent?

With all the muck being slung around, who would let their young kids on here?

[Željko Jurin]

Good on Croydon for their conduct. Things could've blown out of proportion. Bagging and swearing at the ref after the game was disgusting.
I was at the last 30 min of that game and couldn't believe the behavior of the B/Eagles players and their coaching staff. I don't blame the b/eagles kids, they were carrying on a bit, but they obviously felt pressured to win from the coach. When the leader acts like a tool, the soldiers tend to follow.
B/eagles are a very good team and play a nice style of football, all the other crap should be left on the ground

Same coach that told his players not to shake hands after the game with the opposition earlier in the year, and swore his head off at the opposition coach who is the most placid and timid bloke out there .....

[justmyopinion]

johnnydep...... if players and parents are telling the coach that they dont wont to be playing up an age group and challenge themselves then perhaps they should be told to play school soccer or find another club.......do parents tell the school teacher please dont challenge my child and get them to excell because its to hard?

with over 22 junior teams at ckfc surely there must be some players who would thrive at the chance to fill in and play a age group up?...isnt that how you develop players?

does a school teacher who is teaching an average group of students bring in a bright student from another class of the same age just to boost the overall grades of that class?.....how is that benefiting the bright student who finds the work really easy?......the only benefit is for the school teacher who gives it self a faulse sence of achievment.

sorry but your explaination just doesnt stak up.

[AL K HOLIC]

Why would a team that is short request a midweek game?
Could this midweek game be created to allow players to play?

Points, promotion and leagues or development? My opinion is if it was about development, bring up, not drop down, but hey that's me.

As for the coach, well what can one say, we shouldn't see this, once a whistle goes you shake hands and grit your teeth, players and coach.

[Stitch This]

johnnydep...... if players and parents are telling the coach that they dont wont to be playing up an age group and challenge themselves then perhaps they should be told to play school soccer or find another club.......do parents tell the school teacher please dont challenge my child and get them to excell because its to hard?

with over 22 junior teams at ckfc surely there must be some players who would thrive at the chance to fill in and play a age group up?...isnt that how you develop players?

does a school teacher who is teaching an average group of students bring in a bright student from another class of the same age just to boost the overall grades of that class?.....how is that benefiting the bright student who finds the work really easy?......the only benefit is for the school teacher who gives it self a faulse sence of achievment.

sorry but your explaination just doesnt stak up.

You realise that checking the bowl before flushing is not healthy don't you?

These attacks on one club really are pathetic. I do know one or two people at Croydon reasonably well, though my lad has never played there. However in all the times we have played them over the last six years, they would be one of the few clubs that I can say we have never had any issues with.

You make the decision that best suits all concerned and believe it or not the reality is that sometimes the only option you are left with means having to bring down a player or two.

[AL K HOLIC]

johnnydep...... if players and parents are telling the coach that they dont wont to be playing up an age group and challenge themselves then perhaps they should be told to play school soccer or find another club.......do parents tell the school teacher please dont challenge my child and get them to excell because its to hard?

with over 22 junior teams at ckfc surely there must be some players who would thrive at the chance to fill in and play a age group up?...isnt that how you develop players?

does a school teacher who is teaching an average group of students bring in a bright student from another class of the same age just to boost the overall grades of that class?.....how is that benefiting the bright student who finds the work really easy?......the only benefit is for the school teacher who gives it self a faulse sence of achievment.

sorry but your explaination just doesnt stak up.

You realise that checking the bowl before flushing is not healthy don't you?

These attacks on one club really are pathetic. I do know one or two people at Croydon reasonably well, though my lad has never played there. However in all the times we have played them over the last six years, they would be one of the few clubs that I can say we have never had any issues with.

You make the decision that best suits all concerned and believe it or not the reality is that sometimes the only option you are left with means having to bring down a player or two.

I agree, maybe the club isn't to blame, maybe it is decisions made by some individuals not the entire club and definately not the KIDS.

In saying that, there does seem to be more than one club experiencing something at a club, the same complaint by all it seems.

I was not personally there, but I am asking why are these parents, coaches, players whatever, all experiencing similar issues.

This still does not condone some actions, but it sure does think that a club would just end it, and discontinue the use of this light switch that seems to ignite fires.

[The Kings Jesta]

Some of the topics in this forum are brilliant when there is nothing on the telly...

Coaches conduct should always mirror that of what they would expect from players. There is no point blowing up during a match about ref or anything else. It won't change anything then and there. Use the proper avenues after the match to file a complaint. That does not include a public forum.
You can't control the ref, the weather, the pitch conditions... Take care of and worry about only that which you can control... Yourself.

As for player coming down... JD mentioned he was picked, as a 13yo, in the U/14A side at the begining of the year. So sounds like, that although he has played 17's and 19's, he has only ever played up an age group, not down. And for crying out loud, it's one player... If he was that good that he could make that big a difference... What is he still doing in SA, send him overseas to Ajax, INF Clairefontaine or La Masia to get a proper football education. But first and foremost, let the kids play. His friends are obviously in the 14's, don't all of us that never made it, just play to play with our mates...? Finally, if I was a junior player or coach of a rival team, I'd say bring it on!!! Let him play, drop all your best players that are eligible, in fact let me play against the best players you have. Let me test my playing/coaching abilities against the best, not those who I know I can beat.

If Croydon are cheating at a junior level, it will show itself later on in it's players and coaches lack of ability. But unless you can show that they are deliberately breaking the rules, not just inconveniencing you and your clubs ambitions to win the U/14 league, worry about what you can control, and appreciate the extra challenges life can bring you.

[The Kings Jesta]

johnnydep...... if players and parents are telling the coach that they dont wont to be playing up an age group and challenge themselves then perhaps they should be told to play school soccer or find another club.......do parents tell the school teacher please dont challenge my child and get them to excell because its to hard?

with over 22 junior teams at ckfc surely there must be some players who would thrive at the chance to fill in and play a age group up?...isnt that how you develop players?

does a school teacher who is teaching an average group of students bring in a bright student from another class of the same age just to boost the overall grades of that class?.....how is that benefiting the bright student who finds the work really easy?......the only benefit is for the school teacher who gives it self a faulse sence of achievment.

sorry but your explaination just doesnt stak up.

And as for arguements that don't stack (please note contains a c) up. As a teacher, a student will move up a grade or ability group level if they show consistent mastery of all the topics being covered by the year level/group.

In the case of a football player moving up, it is often done to show what the next level is all about, like a tour of a high school you will attend when you finish primary school. This player may be able to control a ball better than players older, may even have better passing technique, but is it always applied corectly to every decision in the higher age groups. Does he make the right choices during a game all the time, or is he better for bits and pieces of the higher level, to watch and learn, and take it back to an environment when he can put that knowledge in to practice without the extra pressure of trying to compete mentally and physically with older players.
Playing up is not always the answer, technique is not everything. Cristiano Ronaldo is a classic case of this. Look at his last season at Sporting, first season at Man U, then the year that he scored all the goals at Man U... that, as much as it pains me to complement the enemy, was top class management of a young player, where being able to dribble past 3 players is not enough if you can't make the right mental choices after.

oh and it's FALSE SENSE

[justmyopinion]

after reading the last few blogs it seems logic will always come 2nd to thoughful junior development?.................................., with the reasoning of some of you guys on this blog its no wonder sa has been in the dark ages recently in producing quality youngsters than previous decades, put your club and self interests aside and concentrate on player development.......................................................!!!!not your short sighted ego strocking ways....................................all parents, coaches and kids talk from each club and unfotunately croydon is one that has short term goals......maybe we are all wrong but actions speak louder than blogs.....be interesting to observe the change in club attitute now that the respected john kosmina is on board........i hope he is successful in changing that short sighted mentally.........i wish you all the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!