Serious disgust!!

[grouse n' ice]

Can I just say, I've played in the amatuer league for around five years and what I seen today was the lowest. I'll be going over 35's next year and not too soon. I played C grade for the first time this year thinking it would be a sociable kick around but was sorely mistaken.

I play for west beach and am the wee Scottish guy who captained the B's for a while in case you think I'm stirring it.....I'm not and am happy to discuss anything with anyone. I'm naming two teams from this year purely because that's who were involved but it could have been anyone.

We all know how hard it is to find ref's for C and B grade games and one of our C grade players sons done it for Beach at home this season. He was abused to excess earlier in the season against Pontian. No offence to you lads but I feel it was over the score and your club chairman embarrassed the club with his actions that day. Decisions good or bad happened each way that day but we have to realise it is C grade amatuers and should be looked upon as a social way to meet people and enjoy our weekend. By all means we want to win, but having a kick and geting some exercise should be the main aim.......especially at C grade. Nothing happened as bad in the B or A grade!!

Today, playing against Florina was disgusting. A grade and most of the B grade was in good spirits, especially the A grade considering what was at stake! But the C grade 'kick-around' was a disgrace. Out of nothing it got out of hand, considering what happened last week with Seaford, and has no place in C grade football. Yes, probably players on both teams kept things going but what I seen wasa a disgrace. The C grade captain (Who must be in his early twenties) wrestled a 59 year old guy to the ground and tried to physically assault the man unprovoked. Another poor show was the Florina goalie who was clearly out of control, keeping things going and head-butting our linesman.

I know you will comment and have your say here which is entirely up to you, as you are entitled to, but this is my opinion and I think it is seriously f#$ked that this can happen at C grade level.

Again our C team ref came in for abuse despite giving Florina a good few breaks as they must admit, including a blatent hand ball which should have been our penalty and a red card.

Until all clubs, ours included, start to breed discipline from the training ground up into all levels of play then the game in this state is destined to become a disgrace.

p.s. The 59 year old coach/player had a scan for suspected broken ribs but has only muscle damage thankfully.

[Uncle Cracker]

F*cken Hell, how much sauce have you added to this story, but agree both sides could of handled things alot better.

[grouse n' ice]

Ach, uncle kracker, if just had enough of this sh#t. It's no slight against the Florina club, just the way things are going at this level. If you can't come out and have a kick at C grade level without this nonsense then people just won't bother. FFS!

And I do like my sauce.......you could make it up to me by a special invite to your girly nights

[the fink]

i never knew in this league sheep stations were on offer every week

[swannsong]

i never knew in this league sheep stations were on offer every week

They aren't...but stationary sheep should be very, very afraid !!!

[barney]

Nothing too serious guys, a bit of a headbutt, an assult, some bruised ribs
A standard Amateur league game by the sounds of it.

[Chico]

Nothing too serious guys, a bit of a headbutt, an assult, some bruised ribs
A standard Amateur league game by the sounds of it.

FFSA ... Media... Politicians... All rubbing their hands in glee!!! Oh yeah did i mention gayfl and rugby too!!!

Come on guys ... Poor form!

[ontheblackburner]

I played in this game.

Do u deny that your spectators ran on to the pitch?

Do u deny when things simmered down your number 15 grabbed our player by the throat and threw him to the ground, resparking the tension?

Do u deny your so called 59 year old saint, who is the coach mind u, having a young lad half his age in a head lock on the ground?

Or is it simply just us as the bad guys?

Our C grade coach spoke to us after the game and expressed his immense anger and disappointment at what happened and then went around to the beach change rooms and offered a sincere apology which was accepted and one offerered in return.

Your ref handled the situation very well, something which he was told.

So stop trying to fuel flames.

[gee_kay]

Would love to hear the Florina side of this

[ontheblackburner]

Would love to hear the Florina side of this

There is no "side of events" - apologies made, accepted and hands shaken. All over with.

[Mahogany]

Can I just say, I've played in the amatuer league for around five years and what I seen today was the lowest. I'll be going over 35's next year and not too soon. I played C grade for the first time this year thinking it would be a sociable kick around but was sorely mistaken.

I play for west beach and am the wee Scottish guy who captained the B's for a while in case you think I'm stirring it.....I'm not and am happy to discuss anything with anyone. I'm naming two teams from this year purely because that's who were involved but it could have been anyone.

We all know how hard it is to find ref's for C and B grade games and one of our C grade players sons done it for Beach at home this season. He was abused to excess earlier in the season against Pontian. No offence to you lads but I feel it was over the score and your club chairman embarrassed the club with his actions that day. Decisions good or bad happened each way that day but we have to realise it is C grade amatuers and should be looked upon as a social way to meet people and enjoy our weekend. By all means we want to win, but having a kick and geting some exercise should be the main aim.......especially at C grade. Nothing happened as bad in the B or A grade!!

Today, playing against Florina was disgusting. A grade and most of the B grade was in good spirits, especially the A grade considering what was at stake! But the C grade 'kick-around' was a disgrace. Out of nothing it got out of hand, considering what happened last week with Seaford, and has no place in C grade football. Yes, probably players on both teams kept things going but what I seen wasa a disgrace. The C grade captain (Who must be in his early twenties) wrestled a 59 year old guy to the ground and tried to physically assault the man unprovoked. Another poor show was the Florina goalie who was clearly out of control, keeping things going and head-butting our linesman.

I know you will comment and have your say here which is entirely up to you, as you are entitled to, but this is my opinion and I think it is seriously f#$ked that this can happen at C grade level.

Again our C team ref came in for abuse despite giving Florina a good few breaks as they must admit, including a blatent hand ball which should have been our penalty and a red card.

Until all clubs, ours included, start to breed discipline from the training ground up into all levels of play then the game in this state is destined to become a disgrace.

p.s. The 59 year old coach/player had a scan for suspected broken ribs but has only muscle damage thankfully.

When a referee blatantly and without hesitation ignores clear free kicks in favor of the home team, and then proceeds to give free kicks to his team moments later for similar things, it's understandable why the opposition will get fired up. He ignored offside calls all morning by the away teams volunteer running the line, but continually gave offsides called by West Beaches linesman. The majority of those calls by the West Beach linesman were not offside, but aren't all home team linesman guilty of being a little over zealous with the flag?
He sent off a few Pontians players with a smile on his face. Was he smiling because his team were up 1-0 at that stage?
Allow me to also mention the abuse he leveled at Pontians players, club officials and spectators along with a number of West Beach players and what I assume were either West Becah club officials or spectators, which he also found amusing at the time.

When he booked a Pontians player, he incited them by virtually waving the card in their faces.

He lost control because he is an incompetent referee and a blatant cheat who lacks integrity and honesty.
He took part in the abuse being traded between both sides. As the match official he should not have taken part.
How come you forgot to mention these key facts of the story in your original post? That alone speaks volumes about your character.

Being on the receiving end of a little verbal abuse is something referees deal with every weekend. A player doesn't agree with a call, argues with the referee. The referee speaks to the player, or gives him a card.

What your referee was doing in the C grade against Pontians was not a few "mistakes" that can be put down to favoring the home side in a 50/50 call, or human error.
It was blatantly obvious he was cheating. His actions during the game made it crystal clear. His behavior after the game was called off confirmed it.

So spare the world your fanciful tales.

It's no slight against the Florina club,

Are you posting this rubbish with a straight face? You start a thread in order to level accusations and slander at two clubs and their members.
In both cases(Pontians and Florina) you make no mention of anything that your players, referees, etc did wrong.
You simply point fingers at others.
As I've displayed for everyone above in regards to the West Beach Pontians C grade game your side is not without fault. Your C grade referee was the root cause of problems that morning.
That doesn't excuse the behavior of both sides at the end. But the situation wouldn't have gotten to that if it were not for your C Grade referee who was cheating the entire morning, and then took part in the "disgusting behavior" you are having a whinge about(which you conveniently exclude from your slander above).
I've seen referees make bad calls. I've seen players sent off for arguing with a referee and abusing him.
But that was the first time that I ever witnessed a referee not only cheat in such a despicable manner but then take part in the exchange of abuse after the game.


What is it that they say about people in glass houses?

I'm not condoning either sides actions. If you are going to start a discussion about issues in the game, then do so without bias. Include all the facts in the examples you provide, even if those facts aren't so flattering for your own club. If you can't bring your self to speak the cold hard truth about your own club, then you shouldn't start threads slandering others.

[Mahogany]

I played in this game.

Do u deny that your spectators ran on to the pitch?

Do u deny when things simmered down your number 15 grabbed our player by the throat and threw him to the ground, resparking the tension?

Do u deny your so called 59 year old saint, who is the coach mind u, having a young lad half his age in a head lock on the ground?

Or is it simply just us as the bad guys?

Our C grade coach spoke to us after the game and expressed his immense anger and disappointment at what happened and then went around to the beach change rooms and offered a sincere apology which was accepted and one offerered in return.

Your ref handled the situation very well, something which he was told.

So stop trying to fuel flames.

I'm confident that when he reads it, he will have an explanation that exonerates West Beach's players and spectators of any wrong doing in either game.
He probably found some balls to post singling out two ethnic clubs(surprise surprise), given recent events with certain other clubs.

[ontheblackburner]

Mahogany, can I just say that the ref at Beach today was very good. R u talking about the game between Pontian and Beach because our game was handled fairly.

[Mahogany]

Mahogany, can I just say that the ref at Beach today was very good. R u talking about the game between Pontian and Beach because our game was handled fairly.

Yes I'm talking about the referee at the West Beach Pontians game earlier in the year.
A young teenage kid. I wasn't at the Florina game today so I can't comment on what occurred. But I do know that there are two sides to every story and that this wanker only presents a cocked up version of events that makes no mention of the disgusting behavior from his own club(not that the behaviour of other clubs in some cases is any better).
It's hypocritical to complain about other clubs and their behavior during specific incidents, when during those same incidents your own club is guilty of being just as bad if not worse.

[grouse n' ice]

Onthe blackburner,

I am not denying some of our players were without fault. I am merely pointing out that this should have no place in this grade, or any grade of amatuer football. This should be a friendly, Sunday kick-about where different areas and cultures of Adelaide should come together and enjoy a common interest. I want to point out that this is the key objective and vast over-reactions and violence is a blight on the game.

I still believe our, as you say 59yo saint, should never have been in that situation as he was trying to protect himself and I still believe younger men should respaect their elders at all times, as I'm sure you would agree. Also, I believe both teams spectators entered the park only to calm things down because it was not happening without intervention.

NO, you are not the only bad guys here, but I, and you must be, a bit embarrassed at how things progressed today. We would have liked to have finished the game as I'm sure you would have also.

I've enjoyed many good games against Florina and enjoyed a beer or two up there with uncle cracker showing us round your clubrooms and I know this is just one of those games......but, too often is one of those games now happening in amatuer league!

Mahaogany, our ref didn't cheat, you chairman was out of order, and I totally disagree with your recollections of the match.

He has no allegiance to west beach and was doing his best. He red carded your players when they put hands on him as any ref would do at any level in any match.

I've nothing against your club, I'm only using the two situatiuons I've been involved in this season to pinpoint a lack of discipline and respect at this level of football.

That is all.

[grouse n' ice]

And now I see you're calling me a wanker....figures!

[grouse n' ice]

I have no time for this chip on my shoulder pick on the ethnic shit either. Are we not all ethnics, ethnic based or Australians? I'm a wee Scotsman and take abuse on the chin and like a laugh. I've even been called a hobit and I'm sure they wouldn't like to claim me!! I've had many great times holidaying in europe in both Greece and Italy. I have friends of both ethnicities and are far from a racist.

I don't want to here this crap. Surprise surprise indeed. I believe this is a big part of the problem!

This is a club discipline problem with ALL clubs involved, including ours!

C grade should be fun, B grade should be competitive and fun, and A grade should be competitive and fair.

[Mahogany]

I didn't post the wrong doing of your team on that morning so you could agree with me, but to enlighten others who were not there as to what occurred since you are more interested in providing a one sided version of events which paints your side as victims.

You presented your cocked up version of events which conveniently excludes the wrong doing by your own club. Not only in the game against Pontians, but in the game against Florina which blackburner has enlightened everyone about.
It really is telling that you are on here crying foul about other clubs, yet fail to mention the wrong doing by your own club, members, and spectators.

I'm sure that referee has no affiliation to anyone at West Beach.
I'm sure he talks like he is friends with random people all the time.

I am merely pointing out that this should have no place in this grade, or any grade of amatuer football. This should be a friendly, Sunday kick-about where different areas and cultures of Adelaide should come together and enjoy a common interest. I want to point out that this is the key objective and vast over-reactions and violence is a blight on the game.

You seem to think that a referee who cheats, joins in with the home team in trading abuse against the away team, has a place in a "Sunday kick about" ?


We have your version of events in two games, which excludes mentioning the wrong doing by your team.
We have two people stating the wrong doing that your team was responsible for. You dispute your team did anything wrong on two occasions.
See the pattern that's starting to emerge?


Your team is not as innocent a you like to make it out to be.

And yeh, I called you a wanker because that's exactly what you are.
You started this thread, whinging about two clubs. You mention how certain behavior has no place in the game.
But you forget to mention that your own team was just as guilty of that behavior as the other clubs. Hence you are a wanker mate.

This is a club discipline problem with ALL clubs involved, including ours!

Yet you dispute that your team threw around their fair share of abuse, including your referee who seemed to enjoy it judging by the repeated smiles.

Mahaogany, our ref didn't cheat, you chairman was out of order, and I totally disagree with your recollections of the match.

FYI - I'm not part of the Pontians club and never have been. I was a (neutral)spectator that morning.

[Jay Walking]

I've played against West Beach a few times over the last 5 years and I can't say I've ever had a problem with the referee. In fact, the ones they put out there are normally one of the better ones.

I find in the C's and B's, its more about the attitude of players when they go out there more so than the quality of the referee. What you want is to get the big decisions right. The ref isnt professional but I've found, more so this year, a lot of C teams go out there trying to act like the Premier League. Some of it is really laughable and I do feel sorry for the ref with the stupid acts that some players do out on the park.

[grouse n' ice]

As I said, he didn't cheat that day.

You're the wanker.

[Jay Walking]

I didn't post the wrong doing of your team on that morning so you could agree with me, but to enlighten others who were not there as to what occurred since you are more interested in providing a one sided version of events which paints your side as victims.

You presented your cocked up version of events which conveniently excludes the wrong doing by your own club. Not only in the game against Pontians, but in the game against Florina which blackburner has enlightened everyone about.
It really is telling that you are on here crying foul about other clubs, yet fail to mention the wrong doing by your own club, members, and spectators.

I'm sure that referee has no affiliation to anyone at West Beach.
I'm sure he talks like he is friends with random people all the time.

I am merely pointing out that this should have no place in this grade, or any grade of amatuer football. This should be a friendly, Sunday kick-about where different areas and cultures of Adelaide should come together and enjoy a common interest. I want to point out that this is the key objective and vast over-reactions and violence is a blight on the game.

You seem to think that a referee who cheats, joins in with the home team in trading abuse against the away team, has a place in a "Sunday kick about" ?


We have your version of events in two games, which excludes mentioning the wrong doing by your team.
We have two people stating the wrong doing that your team was responsible for. You dispute your team did anything wrong on two occasions.
See the pattern that's starting to emerge?


Your team is not as innocent a you like to make it out to be.

And yeh, I called you a wanker because that's exactly what you are.
You started this thread, whinging about two clubs. You mention how certain behavior has no place in the game.
But you forget to mention that your own team was just as guilty of that behavior as the other clubs. Hence you are a wanker mate.

This is a club discipline problem with ALL clubs involved, including ours!

Yet you dispute that your team threw around their fair share of abuse, including your referee who seemed to enjoy it judging by the repeated smiles.

Mahaogany, our ref didn't cheat, you chairman was out of order, and I totally disagree with your recollections of the match.

FYI - I'm not part of the Pontians club and never have been. I was a (neutral)spectator that morning.

You went as a neutral to watch a C team match? Might I suggest you find something better to do with your time

[ontheblackburner]

I again want to emphasize the fact that the ref today was very good and handled the situation professionally and expertly.

[Mahogany]

As I said, he didn't cheat that day.

You're the wanker.

What do you consider cheating? Can you provide a definition in your own words?

Continually ignoring the other teams linesman for the entire time the game was played, while giving every offside call by his own linesman, is not cheating?
Not giving free kicks for crystal clear hacks by West Beach players against Pontian players, while giving the softest free kicks against Pontians is not cheating?

Two, three, four times. Ok. He is the home team ref the away team doesn't expect any favors. But almost a full 90 minutes of the same nonesense? Who do you think you are kidding?

Save your own eyed supporter bias for your change rooms.

I've played against West Beach a few times over the last 5 years and I can't say I've ever had a problem with the referee. In fact, the ones they put out there are normally one of the better ones.

I find in the C's and B's, its more about the attitude of players when they go out there more so than the quality of the referee. What you want is to get the big decisions right. The ref isnt professional but I've found, more so this year, a lot of C teams go out there trying to act like the Premier League. Some of it is really laughable and I do feel sorry for the ref with the stupid acts that some players do out on the park.

I am not trying to make a case against a particular club, like he is.
I am merely pointing out that there is another side to the story. The other side of the story doesn't suit him so he left it out and is now in denial mode about it.

I live in the area, so I thought I'd go out and watch. I don't actually have any association with any Amateur League club. I go to a few Adelaide United games here and there, so I know about this site through that interest. The recent Maiwand(?) incident in the media sparked my interest in this site, thought I would see what was being discussed about it. Then I came across this thread and couldn't resist making mince meat out of this guys one sided version of events.

Like I said I don't condone what I saw from either side, especially pushing a referee. If you are going to complain about such behavior, then do so objectionably and be as unbiased as possible. If you can't handle telling the awful truth about your own club while you slander other clubs, then don't bother starting such a discussion.
This idiot can't handle someone telling it how it is. He is unhappy that someone came along and revealed the disgusting behavior by his team/club/club referee.

You went as a neutral to watch a C team match? Might I suggest you find something better to do with your time

See above

[grouse n' ice]

So you consider all linesman calls correct? No club linesman can cheat and call offsides that are incorrect?
So, you agree pushing or laying your hands on a referee is wrong.....only sense I've heard you make.

Jason is right here. It is a question of players attitudes at this level. This has to be addressed at all clubs starting on the training ground. I've done my fair share of abusing refs including my own and it is wrong.

C grade should be fun, B grade competitive but fun and A grade competitive and fair. Will it ever happen, I doubt it, but we have to at least try.

Your trivial comments have no bearing on this discussion as I think only players should be having a think about attitudes towards refs and there decisions, and there own on field behaviours.

I consider cheating you wanking off with your left hand without letting the right one know about it

[myopinion2]

I was at the match and im not affiliated with either club i just enjoy to watch local football i do have some people i know at both club but today was poor

the fight between the 59yr old and the club captain from my understanding was over and they had both agreed to get up but what the goalie did was shocking to come and hit the 59yr old from behind while he was on the ground is poor

and as for him The Goalie Headbutting well that is ordinary Headbutting anyone is just wrong and low.


I am glad to find out that the man that went to hospital is ok i have heard that he is a great lad

[KS2011]

Nothing too serious guys, a bit of a headbutt, an assult, some bruised ribs
A standard Amateur league game by the sounds of it.

Nothing to serious?? A bit of an assult!!!??? Ofcourse not because they are anglo, if they were ethnic the story would of been blown up 1000000x... For a guy in his 20's to assult a man that could be his father is disrespectful atleast.. Especially in the c grade, if you take it that seriously in the c grade you are dillusional to say the least.. Dont want to start a 10 page discussion nor am i replying to any further comments, inexpressed my view..

[BADA BING]

Why dont all the clubs push for all games to have an official ref, i undertsand that there may not be enough but maybe its about time the AMATEUR LEAGUE put their hands into their pockets to pay a percentage for refs, it may not solve all the problems but it might relieve some tensions amongst the players in the lower grades.

One more thing i think everyone needs to take a deep breath, relax or maybe even pass around the peace pipe.

[Ubietz]

The ref isnt professional but I've found, more so this year, a lot of C teams go out there trying to act like the Premier League. Some of it is really laughable and I do feel sorry for the ref with the stupid acts that some players do out on the park.

[KING NUGGETT]

Yes I'm talking about the referee at the West Beach Pontians game earlier in the year.
A young teenage kid. I wasn't at the Florina game today so I can't comment on what occurred. But I do know that there are two sides to every story and that this wanker only presents a cocked up version of events that makes no mention of the disgusting behavior from his own club(not that the behaviour of other clubs in some cases is any better).
It's hypocritical to complain about other clubs and their behavior during specific incidents, when during those same incidents your own club is guilty of being just as bad if not worse.

Mahogany what a FK'N joke PONTIANS club referee is one of the biggest cheat's in the League!!! hypocritical FK'N joke

[Beach_Driller]

Both B/C grade Refs at West Beach are no cheats , if anything they side more with the Opposition than the home team and tries to keep the game flowing. I have been at West Beach for a couple of years now and coached the reserves for 4 years...and what you get is a hard but fair game at the Beach. Been part of some cracking games against Pontians and Florina, been kicked and kicked a few back! And everything was left on the pitch and had a few beers after!
I seen both incidents .. Pontians game, the ref was man-handled and rightly sent of the player! and then it all kicked off, Game called off. Nuff said ...
Florina game, bad tackle sparked a bit of handbags. Some of the west beach support only went on to the pitch when the coach was attacked. The C coach is highly respected at West Beach and been there donkey's years! The supporters only went to his aid...I and a few others went on to get everyone off the pitch that shouldn't have been on it. Then the linesman was headbutted and a bit more handbags... Game Called off

Now my little hobbit mate was basically trying to say is... To all clubs , wouldn't we rather play football than fight? Shouldn't we be discussing football instead of who started what or who is a cheat? It is a sad state of affairs when someone goes out on a Sunday for a kick about and has to finish the day not having a beer but rather in hospital! You can blame the SAASL or whatever.. but the basic fact it is up to the clubs to stamp out this violence and all grades..