Fight?

[samba1481]

I know the keeper is doing as good as can be expected as well as the others who were hurt in this pathetic act of pure disrespect to the the game and the people that love to play it!!!!

[brutus01]

Now Val has written an article this morning and has listed 5 seperate incidents over the years naming clubs expect for the last one which happened way back in 1998 and he only mentions brawling at Elizabeth

Yep. That's Val looking for glory. Pro FFSA tilt to that story.
40+ year history, 5 incidents in the last 13 years - not the best but not worth a full page story. Look at the ratio of games played over 13 years compared to incidents.
I dont see anyone from amateur AFL being smashed for their history of violence at games.
Thanks Val for having a swipe at the Amateur Referees also.

[brutus01]

Watch the swift and decisive action now Government Grants are in jeopardy.

SAASL's reputation taking a battering in the paper today.

Wraith, what Govt grants - I thought the saasl dont get any grants coz the FFSA have them stitched up with the Govt. - what do you mean?
The other disappointing thing is that the saasl have been too slow to respond. Hope they fix that quickly.

[Wraith]

Watch the swift and decisive action now Government Grants are in jeopardy.

SAASL's reputation taking a battering in the paper today.

Wraith, what Govt grants - I thought the saasl dont get any grants coz the FFSA have them stitched up with the Govt. - what do you mean?
The other disappointing thing is that the saasl have been too slow to respond. Hope they fix that quickly.

The SAASL get Government grants along with the SAASL clubs, which is why Tom Kenyon wants to know why he should continue the grants to SAASL.

They should receive the ref's report today and discuss. Ludicrous that they just couldn't pull the ref in on Monday and address it then and there. They really should have made a statement by now.

[brutus01]

Watch the swift and decisive action now Government Grants are in jeopardy.

SAASL's reputation taking a battering in the paper today.

Wraith, what Govt grants - I thought the saasl dont get any grants coz the FFSA have them stitched up with the Govt. - what do you mean?
The other disappointing thing is that the saasl have been too slow to respond. Hope they fix that quickly.

The SAASL get Government grants along with the SAASL clubs, which is why Tom Kenyon wants to know why he should continue the grants to SAASL.

They should receive the ref's report today and discuss. Ludicrous that they just couldn't pull the ref in on Monday and address it then and there. They really should have made a statement by now.

The Clubs may get community or sport grants from the SA Govt.
I believe that the SAASL receives no grants from the SA Govt because ALL grants for the sport go through to the so called head body being the FFSA. SAASL not with FFSA, therefore no grants.
Thats a fact expressed by SAASL at AGM and also at other discussions on one of the issues of not being part of the FFSA.
Read the paper, but not sure who Kenyon was directing it to. Maybe the new arrival grants the new communities get to be able set up sporting and community activities.

[God is an Englishman]

so, because I see a problem with letting anybody in you want me to leave.

Immigration should be about letting in the people that a country needs and decides they want to come in, not jsut an open door policy. It should be about the people who are going to improve the country, not set it back.

If you need doctors, get doctors. If you don't need toilet cleaners, don't get toiler cleaners.

That's not a race thing, it's irrelevant if the person is black or white, an albanian or an american. Bring in what is going to help, not hinder, the country.

Interesting points....i will say that for example England needed toilet cleaners, bar staff, cab drivers etc and they got what they needed because the English would not do these jobs...im sure you will agree.....and they were settled into community housing and so on...problem is these people had children who grew up in low socioeconomic environments which leads to low level education, crime and so on...this can not be avoided even if you only let a handfull of people in they will procreate and produce offspring more often than not of similar ideals etc etc.... im sure its not an open policy as you put it but if you colonise and rule over a country you have to expect the ramifications..one being citizenship in the country of origin and in this case that is England....we reap what we sow and England is doing just that....yes that will probably be Australia in years to come and what saves us at present i believe is the sheer vastness of this land......so if you bring in Doctors they will have doctor kids and in time the ones who believe they really belong here will be complaining about not having doctor jobs and when desperation sinks in all is possible.....but i will still help you pack...

We don't need bar staff - that's what aussie back packers are for!

In the 60's there was a controlled policy of allowing commonwealth citizens to reside in the UK. This is now not the case.

The issue was allowing TOO many to come in without them being the type we needed.

[Wraith]

The Clubs may get community or sport grants from the SA Govt.
I believe that the SAASL receives no grants from the SA Govt because ALL grants for the sport go through to the so called head body being the FFSA. SAASL not with FFSA, therefore no grants.
Thats a fact expressed by SAASL at AGM and also at other discussions on one of the issues of not being part of the FFSA.
Read the paper, but not sure who Kenyon was directing it to. Maybe the new arrival grants the new communities get to be able set up sporting and community activities.

SAASL do receive grants, I can assure you.

If they don't where did the $135k come from?

Also numerous established SAASL clubs receive Government funding.

[dska]

Everyone blames the SAASL for lack of action.

To their defence, they have set up procedure/code for the amateur clubs to follow: game officials with a ID tag, home team referees for the reserves, official referees for the A teams, code of conduct, etc.
It is up to each club to make sure that the games are played in an appropriate manner.

Maybe the SAASF should:- send officials to monitor games between clubs where there were previous issues/concerns
- request referees to give a more detailed report on each game
- request each club to send a report to the SAASL on each game (provide a simple proforma so reports are simple to the point)
- take action against teams playing unregistered players/'ringins'
- follow up reports and act on them

There is talk that the amateurs should be under the flag of FFSA.
What does the FFSA do for their clubs? Very little!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Look at the fees charged on clubs, paid admin staff swallows most of these.
- They have a similar requirent of the clubs as the SAASL
- They dont provide officials for the games, apart for the referees (clubs pay for this - approx $600 per home games for Super league), referee observers, the rest is left to the clubs
- Loook at the financial status of most of the FFSA clubs, they are all struggling.

Affilating with the FFSA is not the solution, the FFSA would love that as it would add to their coffers, and watch your club affiliation fees sky rocket.
There was talk at the start of the season that some of the FFSA clubs wanted to break away from the FFSA - what would have been the reason for this?

Nobody wants to see violence in sport, especially soccer.
A tougher approach to all clubs/offending clubs is needed. Early intervention is needed or 'PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN A CURE'

I am sure that the SAASL will deal appropriately with this matter and place greater/tougher responsibilities on all clubs.

[Jay Walking]

The SAASL do recieve government grants which all sporting clubs and organisations are entitled to apply for.

[mvsc]

The SAASL are blamed because this is not the first time an incident like this has been caused by these idiots, and that they have a history of letting back in groups that continually cause this crap.

[Rob Lozza]

So typical of "The Advertiser" to use anonymous sources to slag the Refs.

[BrickTop]

Someone lock this topic - it is so far off course. Take your petty views to PM.

[dj_no.1]

The SAASL are blamed because this is not the first time an incident like this has been caused by these idiots, and that they have a history of letting back in groups that continually cause this crap.

^^^ correct, this has happened many times with this club and the saasl lets them continue. they are to blame, if they were kicked out long ago like they should have none of this would of happened.

[swannsong]

The SAASL are blamed because this is not the first time an incident like this has been caused by these idiots, and that they have a history of letting back in groups that continually cause this crap.

^^^ correct, this has happened many times with this club and the saasl lets them continue. they are to blame, if they were kicked out long ago like they should have none of this would of happened.

Do you fully understand all the legal issues that may arise if you were to ban a club/team without a full investigation ?
The SAASL could end up wearing huge legal bills and be seen as discriminatory.

[BPBC]

The SAASL are blamed because this is not the first time an incident like this has been caused by these idiots, and that they have a history of letting back in groups that continually cause this crap.

^^^ correct, this has happened many times with this club and the saasl lets them continue. they are to blame, if they were kicked out long ago like they should have none of this would of happened.

Do you fully understand all the legal issues that may arise if you were to ban a club/team without a full investigation ?
The SAASL could end up wearing huge legal bills and be seen as discriminatory.

Rubbish, this is an amatuer comp run by volunteers. They write their own rules. Any different than a clubs 7 a side comp over summer??? This should have been dealt with correctly in the past, and was not. They are not at fault for the idiocy of people who play under their competition banner, however they are at fault for not acting on this harshly enough in previous instances. And dont for a minute act like its a new thing, this sh!t has happened plenty in the past

[God is an Englishman]

Rubbish, this is an amatuer comp run by volunteers. They write their own rules.

Sometimes I wish I was this naive in the ways of the world!!

[Nice One Cyril]

^^^ correct, this has happened many times with this club and the saasl lets them continue. they are to blame, if they were kicked out long ago like they should have none of this would of happened.

Do you fully understand all the legal issues that may arise if you were to ban a club/team without a full investigation ?
The SAASL could end up wearing huge legal bills and be seen as discriminatory.

Rubbish, this is an amatuer comp run by volunteers. They write their own rules. Any different than a clubs 7 a side comp over summer??? This should have been dealt with correctly in the past, and was not. They are not at fault for the idiocy of people who play under their competition banner, however they are at fault for not acting on this harshly enough in previous instances. And dont for a minute act like its a new thing, this cabernet has happened plenty in the past

Sadly it's not rubbish. We've got so tangled up with politically correct BS about race, that individuals running the SAASL as volunteers could still be sued for discrimination. However, I'm sure their competition rules must state certain standards of behaviour under which a team could be expelled.

Probably the easiest course of action is for all the other clubs to simply refuse to play them. They won't last long if they can only play with themselves (make of that what you want ).

[BPBC]

Rubbish, this is an amatuer comp run by volunteers. They write their own rules.

Sometimes I wish I was this naive in the ways of the world!!

Naive? http://www.saasl.com.au/Policy.asp?mid=71&incid=2 tell me all of these are written by fifa.

I dont give a flying fark what social legalities they need to follow, they have written their own codes of conduct in the past and have not clamped down on teams not adhering to them strictly enough. I am fully aware of the ways of the world and am also not stupid enough to turn a blind eye to what happens around me. Is a shame others have and its lead to this issue which no jepordises the whole competition.

Nice 1 Cyril, spot on in regards to discrimination, however were not talking about race here were talking about breaking the rules.

[Rob Lozza]

FIFA set the Laws of the Game. It does not write competition rules for anyone. That's up to the associations, competition organisers etc.

[KING NUGGETT]

Rocket Science Part.1

I think the point your all forgetting is this Club was one of the many Clubs formed & funded by money from the Refugee/Migrant Fund the $135k.
I think the problem is this instead of funding established Clubs Who don't have any of the deep seeded problems & help integrate these Refugees & Migrants into our community
they have helped them establish these little Refugee/Migrant Communities that really don't integrate into the Community & still have the deep seeded problems that they left behind.
I think here lies the answer to the problem, integrate these people into Estabished Clubs & Our community & not Fund them to set up there own...

[God is an Englishman]

Rubbish, this is an amatuer comp run by volunteers. They write their own rules.

Sometimes I wish I was this naive in the ways of the world!!

Naive? http://www.saasl.com.au/Policy.asp?mid=71&incid=2 tell me all of these are written by fifa.

I dont give a flying shiraz what social legalities they need to follow, they have written their own codes of conduct in the past and have not clamped down on teams not adhering to them strictly enough. I am fully aware of the ways of the world and am also not stupid enough to turn a blind eye to what happens around me. Is a shame others have and its lead to this issue which no jepordises the whole competition.

Nice 1 Cyril, spot on in regards to discrimination, however were not talking about race here were talking about breaking the rules.

they write the competition rules, but if you think they can just change them and backdate those changes without being sued then sometime I wish I was as naive as you.

[BPBC]

they write the competition rules, but if you think they can just change them and backdate those changes without being sued then sometime I wish I was as naive as you.

Please quote where i have said that? theres no need to change or backdate anything. Those current rules are not the first to come into existance.

[God is an Englishman]

they write the competition rules, but if you think they can just change them and backdate those changes without being sued then sometime I wish I was as naive as you.

Please quote where i have said that? theres no need to change or backdate anything. Those current rules are not the first to come into existance.

so if the current rules do not cover this, how do you expect them to ban anyone in this manner and not have legal implication?

[brutus01]

Rocket Science Part.1

I think the point your all forgetting is this Club was one of the many Clubs formed & funded by money from the Refugee/Migrant Fund the $135k.
I think the problem is this instead of funding established Clubs Who don't have any of the deep seeded problems & help integrate these Refugees & Migrants into our community
they have helped them establish these little Refugee/Migrant Communities that really don't integrate into the Community & still have the deep seeded problems that they left behind.
I think here lies the answer to the problem, integrate these people into Estabished Clubs & Our community & not Fund them to set up there own...

Sorry but I thing you are wrong on this one KN. The rest makes good sense though.
if you want you check with the League the $135k was for setting up a youth program for the new migrants NOT funding for senior mens. I reckon the funding to help this comes direct to the communities through the migrant centre not via saasl. But agree with everything else you have said.

[brutus01]

Rubbish, this is an amatuer comp run by volunteers. They write their own rules. Any different than a clubs 7 a side comp over summer??? This should have been dealt with correctly in the past, and was not. They are not at fault for the idiocy of people who play under their competition banner, however they are at fault for not acting on this harshly enough in previous instances. And dont for a minute act like its a new thing, this cabernet has happened plenty in the past[/quote]

Sadly it's not rubbish. We've got so tangled up with politically correct BS about race, that individuals running the SAASL as volunteers could still be sued for discrimination. However, I'm sure their competition rules must state certain standards of behaviour under which a team could be expelled.

Probably the easiest course of action is for all the other clubs to simply refuse to play them. They won't last long if they can only play with themselves (make of that what you want ).[/quote]

Theres a simple solution. No need for the other Clubs to make decsisions.
The SAASL suspend the club(s) and players for the season. Then dont accept their affiliation the following year and dont let them in under a different name. I am sure thats legal under the rules. They will obviously have a right of appeal somewhere and as long as they are allowed to to appeal, there cant be an issue at all.

[God is an Englishman]

Theres a simple solution. No need for the other Clubs to make decsisions.
The SAASL suspend the club(s) and players for the season. Then dont accept their affiliation the following year and dont let them in under a different name. I am sure thats legal under the rules. They will obviously have a right of appeal somewhere and as long as they are allowed to to appeal, there cant be an issue at all.

and any innocent player just appeals and gets it overturned.

OR similar to if you get banned on this forum - just register under a different name.

[BPBC]

they write the competition rules, but if you think they can just change them and backdate those changes without being sued then sometime I wish I was as naive as you.

Please quote where i have said that? theres no need to change or backdate anything. Those current rules are not the first to come into existance.

so if the current rules do not cover this, how do you expect them to ban anyone in this manner and not have legal implication?

do not cover what? violence? any and all of the below can be used. What is your point anyway, do you agree that the SAASL should have dealt with this type of thing better in the past to stop this happeneing or not?


19. CLUBS A
D CLUB OFFICIALS’ CO
DUCT
(a) Each member club is unconditionally responsible for the behaviour of its officials,
players and supporters. Disciplinary action will be taken against clubs, club officials
and players whose actions (or the actions of the club’s officials, players or
supporters) are in the opinion of the League in breach of the Constitution of the
League, its rules of competition or the Laws of Association Football, the club
marshall / club official policy, the appropriate codes of conduct or are actions which
bring the game or the League into disrepute.
(b) all clubs must abide by and promote the following codes of conduct implemented
under the fair play – fair conduct program.
(i) player & team captain code of conduct
(ii) coach & team official code of conduct
(iii) club marshall & club official code of conduct

(f) Where the conduct of spectators, players, coaches or club officials is found to have
seriously breached the league championship rules, the relevant codes of conduct, the
principles of fair play / fair conduct, or having brought the game into disrepute, the
League will determine the disciplinary action to be taken against the clubs involved.
(i) at the sole discretion and determination of the Management Committee, one (or
more) of the following sanctions may be imposed:
(1) deduction of championship points - (deducted points will carry over to the
following season)
(2) suspension from a certain number of fixtures
(3) suspension for remainder of season
(4) fines and/or bonds of good behaviour

39. MATTERS
OT COVERED
Any matter not provided for in these Rules shall be at the discretion of the League and all
the matters concerning the planning and management of the competition shall be vested in
the Management Committee

40. I
TERPRETATIO

(a) The League Management shall be the sole authority for the interpretation of the
Constitution, Rules, Regulations and By-Laws.
(b) The decision of the League Management, subject to the control of the clubs upon any
question of interpretation or upon any matter affecting the League or its members
and not provided for in the Constitution, Rules, Regulations and By-Laws shall be
binding on all members, coaches, managers, members of committees of the League
and its members and all other persons bound or affected by these rules and
regulations and by-laws of the League.

5.2 Expulsion
(a) A member may be expelled from the League by a special resolution of the
clubs.
(b) Where the Management Committee considers that a member should be
expelled, it shall report the matter to the clubs for its consideration.
(c) Notwithstanding the resignation or expulsion of a member, the member shall
continue to be liable to the League for any membership fees or other money
due and unpaid at the time of its resignation or expulsion

[BPBC]

Rubbish, this is an amatuer comp run by volunteers. They write their own rules. Any different than a clubs 7 a side comp over summer??? This should have been dealt with correctly in the past, and was not. They are not at fault for the idiocy of people who play under their competition banner, however they are at fault for not acting on this harshly enough in previous instances. And dont for a minute act like its a new thing, this cabernet has happened plenty in the past

Sadly it's not rubbish. We've got so tangled up with politically correct BS about race, that individuals running the SAASL as volunteers could still be sued for discrimination. However, I'm sure their competition rules must state certain standards of behaviour under which a team could be expelled.

Probably the easiest course of action is for all the other clubs to simply refuse to play them. They won't last long if they can only play with themselves (make of that what you want ).[/quote]

Theres a simple solution. No need for the other Clubs to make decsisions.
The SAASL suspend the club(s) and players for the season. Then dont accept their affiliation the following year and dont let them in under a different name. I am sure thats legal under the rules. They will obviously have a right of appeal somewhere and as long as they are allowed to to appeal, there cant be an issue at all.[/quote]

Bingo!

[God is an Englishman]

Bingo!

isn't the appeal process part of legal implications. I thought as a vounteer organisation that made up it's own rulles it was rubbish to suggest that there would be legal implications.

[BPBC]

Bingo!

isn't the appeal process part of legal implications. I thought as a vounteer organisation that made up it's own rulles it was rubbish to suggest that there would be legal implications.

Not at all what i was saying. My rubbish comment was in relation to what Swansong posted the below -

Do you fully understand all the legal issues that may arise if you were to ban a club/team without a full investigation ?

After a full investigation the saasl have every right to ban them if they have broken their rules.