Ethnic Club Names

[Trunks]

In the recent event with the besa football club, wouldn’t it make sense for the saasl not let clubs register ethnic based names like they do in the ffsa.

This would maybe stop the tension between two rival clubs over time and eventually Phase out trouble maker that come to the grounds.

Any merit in this?

[ontheblackburner]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

[aussie pride]

In the recent event with the besa football club, wouldn’t it make sense for the saasl not let clubs register ethnic based names like they do in the ffsa.

This would maybe stop the tension between two rival clubs over time and eventually Phase out trouble maker that come to the grounds.

Any merit in this?

I think holding on to Ethinic names should continue. Its a great way to show that the club is proud of its origins. But one negative aspect to this, is that an ethinc name can easily be stereotyped through actions of the people within the club.

[Željko Jurin]

In the recent event with the besa football club, wouldn’t it make sense for the saasl not let clubs register ethnic based names like they do in the ffsa.

This would maybe stop the tension between two rival clubs over time and eventually Phase out trouble maker that come to the grounds.

Any merit in this?

Makes no difference, Raiders still hate White City, and v.v

The names can change, but the people running it and supporting it are still the same ....

[Bomber]

Nah, too many teams would have to change etc. The troubles from within dont always seem to be based on nationality and I doubt troublemakers stop to think what a team is called before they attack.

[BeogradGeneralsC's]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

+1 case closed

[Between the Sticks]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

+1 case closed

I agree however BESA is not an ethic name

[swannsong]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

+1 case closed

I agree however BESA is not an ethic name

Doesn't it stand for Black Eagles South Australia ?

[Between the Sticks]

I agree however BESA is not an ethic name [/quote]
Doesn't it stand for Black Eagles South Australia ?[/quote]

sure does swanny but how is that any different to southern knights????? or adelaide vikings or isc raptors

[swannsong]

I agree however BESA is not an ethic name

Doesn't it stand for Black Eagles South Australia ?

sure does swanny but how is that any different to southern knights????? or adelaide vikings or isc raptors

Raptors seem to be mixing nationalities very well but their club name still includes I for Imbros...which I have no issue with as someone who appreciates Club histories.



Whereas Southern Knights stands for Southern (because they are located South) and Knights because ....????

[Between the Sticks]

I agree however BESA is not an ethic name

Doesn't it stand for Black Eagles South Australia ?[/quote]

sure does swanny but how is that any different to southern knights????? or adelaide vikings or isc raptors [/quote]

exactly right...Imbros is a location in Greece unlike black eagles not being a location in any country therefor technically not implying ethnic origins even if we all know their origins...would perhaps be different if it were Albanian Eagles SA as they once were many moons ago.

[Right Winger]

Other than the Albanians, which ethnic club rivals are constantly in trouble?
Croatia v Beograd, Bosna and Macedonia
and the different combinations have all been incident free.
Macedonia v all the Greek clubs.
The Scots vs the Italians.
The Scots vs the Hungarians.
Trouble free, correct me if im wrong.

Pooraka v Woodville doesnt have any spark to it.

Better off getting rid of team names with words like
Downs or Elizabeth or Vale in them.

[On The Pine]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

^ This.

Not that it is any of my business, but if there were a reason to change names I think it would have to do more with an inclusivity spin on things. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying teams with ethnic names are not inclusive and welcoming of others outside their traditional ethnic origins, what I am saying is that they would reduce numbers of potential players based on some probably assuming/feeling that they are not.

Before anyone gets up in arms, Footscray did the exact same thing with their name change to the "Western Bulldogs" and it was a commercial move to attract members outside of the traditional area of Footscray ie appealing to a wider audience.

I think Bosna is a perfect example. They have just moved into Mawson Lakes, which is a very new area with no clubs and with a large population. Potentially they have the ability to grow their club and I think that having a name like "Mawson Lakes Soccer Club" would give them a wider community appeal that will allow that growth to happen on a larger scale. There will definitely be the argument that they are proud of their name and origins etc, etc and I understand that, but unfortunately to an "outsider" a "Bosnian soccer team" (or whatever nationality etc) is probably less inviting than a "community soccer team". The risks then end up being do you have enough players coming through to keep the club alive and strong? I guess if the answer was eventually "NO" for the Manchester United Supporters Club (the most supported club in the galaxy) then no other group is safe.

[swannsong]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

^ This.

Not that it is any of my business, but if there were a reason to change names I think it would have to do more with an inclusivity spin on things. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying teams with ethnic names are not inclusive and welcoming of others outside their traditional ethnic origins, what I am saying is that they would reduce numbers of potential players based on some probably assuming/feeling that they are not.

Before anyone gets up in arms, Footscray did the exact same thing with their name change to the "Western Bulldogs" and it was a commercial move to attract members outside of the traditional area of Footscray ie appealing to a wider audience.

I think Bosna is a perfect example. They have just moved into Mawson Lakes, which is a very new area with no clubs and with a large population. Potentially they have the ability to grow their club and I think that having a name like "Mawson Lakes Soccer Club" would give them a wider community appeal that will allow that growth to happen on a larger scale. There will definitely be the argument that they are proud of their name and origins etc, etc and I understand that, but unfortunately to an "outsider" a "Bosnian soccer team" (or whatever nationality etc) is probably less inviting than a "community soccer team". The risks then end up being do you have enough players coming through to keep the club alive and strong? I guess if the answer was eventually "NO" for the Manchester United Supporters Club (the most supported club in the galaxy) then no other group is safe.

The Mawson Lakers.... I suggested this a while back

[On The Pine]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

^ This.

Not that it is any of my business, but if there were a reason to change names I think it would have to do more with an inclusivity spin on things. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying teams with ethnic names are not inclusive and welcoming of others outside their traditional ethnic origins, what I am saying is that they would reduce numbers of potential players based on some probably assuming/feeling that they are not.

Before anyone gets up in arms, Footscray did the exact same thing with their name change to the "Western Bulldogs" and it was a commercial move to attract members outside of the traditional area of Footscray ie appealing to a wider audience.

I think Bosna is a perfect example. They have just moved into Mawson Lakes, which is a very new area with no clubs and with a large population. Potentially they have the ability to grow their club and I think that having a name like "Mawson Lakes Soccer Club" would give them a wider community appeal that will allow that growth to happen on a larger scale. There will definitely be the argument that they are proud of their name and origins etc, etc and I understand that, but unfortunately to an "outsider" a "Bosnian soccer team" (or whatever nationality etc) is probably less inviting than a "community soccer team". The risks then end up being do you have enough players coming through to keep the club alive and strong? I guess if the answer was eventually "NO" for the Manchester United Supporters Club (the most supported club in the galaxy) then no other group is safe.

The Mawson Lakers.... I suggested this a while back

Ha! The Lakers, I like it. With a giant Mosquito as the mascot.

[sirstevieg]

I agree i feel the Amateur League should make a stamp on these teams calling themselves Bosna, Macedonia etc.

At the end of the day the clubs will benefit as what English or Aussie guy is going to go play for Bosna unless they are offered a lot of $

[Željko Jurin]

These 'ethnic clubs' were made by themselves, for themselves and their communities

Don't go along and say they shouldn't exist, if you don't like them no one is asking you to be a part of one

If you want to, go make up your own club then, Meat Pies United or Skippy City ....

[Between the Sticks]

I agree i feel the Amateur League should make a stamp on these teams calling themselves Bosna, Macedonia etc.

At the end of the day the clubs will benefit as what English or Aussie guy is going to go play for Bosna unless they are offered a lot of $

80% of Macedonia United is made up of players of Anglo background and not one of them gets anything more than a bar voucher for a BOG performance.

[Bomber]

All the names are ethnic. There are some exceptions interstate (Wollongong, Dandenong, Wagga Wagga etc).

[TM87]

None. Wankers will always be wankers, despite which clubs they play for.

^ This.

Not that it is any of my business, but if there were a reason to change names I think it would have to do more with an inclusivity spin on things. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying teams with ethnic names are not inclusive and welcoming of others outside their traditional ethnic origins, what I am saying is that they would reduce numbers of potential players based on some probably assuming/feeling that they are not.

Before anyone gets up in arms, Footscray did the exact same thing with their name change to the "Western Bulldogs" and it was a commercial move to attract members outside of the traditional area of Footscray ie appealing to a wider audience.

I think Bosna is a perfect example. They have just moved into Mawson Lakes, which is a very new area with no clubs and with a large population. Potentially they have the ability to grow their club and I think that having a name like "Mawson Lakes Soccer Club" would give them a wider community appeal that will allow that growth to happen on a larger scale. There will definitely be the argument that they are proud of their name and origins etc, etc and I understand that, but unfortunately to an "outsider" a "Bosnian soccer team" (or whatever nationality etc) is probably less inviting than a "community soccer team". The risks then end up being do you have enough players coming through to keep the club alive and strong? I guess if the answer was eventually "NO" for the Manchester United Supporters Club (the most supported club in the galaxy) then no other group is safe.

We would never change our name in the SAASL. If we were to make a move into the State League different story. We have had a number of nationalities play with our team over the years in the late 80's we had upto 9 English and Scots playing for the old Bosna United. Currently we have 7 different nationalities that play for Bosna Adelaide all are welcome.

[TM87]

I agree i feel the Amateur League should make a stamp on these teams calling themselves Bosna, Macedonia etc.

At the end of the day the clubs will benefit as what English or Aussie guy is going to go play for Bosna unless they are offered a lot of $

Dont be a what benefit would we get from a Aussie or English that we dont already have. We wouldnt benefit anything in the SAASL if we paid player.s But if we did we could easily beat any club out there $$$$ wise ATM.

[TM87]

These 'ethnic clubs' were made by themselves, for themselves and their communities

Don't go along and say they shouldn't exist, if you don't like them no one is asking you to be a part of one

If you want to, go make up your own club then, Meat Pies United or Skippy City ....

AGREE 100%

[I Am Number Two]

Any merit in this?

No!
Close topic.

[Salts]

I agree i feel the Amateur League should make a stamp on these teams calling themselves Bosna, Macedonia etc.

At the end of the day the clubs will benefit as what English or Aussie guy is going to go play for Bosna unless they are offered a lot of $

The Downs have apparently forked out some cash for Nathan Day's services, and on current results/standings, its not getting them anywhere.

[reservist]

I agree however BESA is not an ethic name

Doesn't it stand for Black Eagles South Australia ?

sure does swanny but how is that any different to southern knights????? or adelaide vikings or isc raptors [/quote]

exactly right...Imbros is a location in Greece unlike black eagles not being a location in any country therefor technically not implying ethnic origins even if we all know their origins...would perhaps be different if it were Albanian Eagles SA as they once were many moons ago.[/quote]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ia.svg.png
Albanian national flag, now tell me BESA isn't an ethnic name.

[I Am Number Two]

The word "besa" has significant meaning in the Albanian culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besa_(Albanian_culture)

Besa related sayings include:
Besa e shqiptarit nuk shitet pazarit (besa of an Albanian can not be sold or bought in a bazaar)
Shqiptaret vdesin dhe besen nuk e shkelin (Albanians would die rather than break besa)
Besa e shqiptarit si purteka e arit, etj (the Albanians' besa is worth more than gold)

These is actually a good Serbian movie titled "Besa". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1272006/

[On The Pine]

These 'ethnic clubs' were made by themselves, for themselves and their communities

Don't go along and say they shouldn't exist, if you don't like them no one is asking you to be a part of one

If you want to, go make up your own club then, Meat Pies United or Skippy City ....

Ignoring the idiotic "ban ethnic names" for a happy world argument, I think that some have kinda missed my point, I have no issue with ethnic names and couldn't really care less what any club is called. My point was that a club like Bosna could potentially grow to a club as big as the Downs or the Gardens but in order to take full advantage they would probably need a more inviting/neutral club name like Mawson Lakes. Like it or not if a club is named after a certain group (not necessarily ethnic like the "Man Utd supporters example) and you don't belong to that group, you are probably less likely to go out and give them a go.

This is not to say a club like Bosna do not already have a diverse player roster (such as Macos "80%"), or that they are not welcoming of others (which I have heard they are), but for every one that goes out how many do they miss out on?

The question is really about ambition. Do they want to really grow the club as much as possible or are they happy the way things are? Do they have the cattle coming through to keep them where they want to be? I am not suggesting that they or others should or should not change their names, I was merely posing the question.

[Željko Jurin]

I'll repeat this part of my statement again, and you don't need to worry about thinking too deep into things.....

These 'ethnic clubs' were made by themselves, for themselves and their communities
.

[On The Pine]

I'll repeat this part of my statement again, and you don't need to worry about thinking too deep into things.....

These 'ethnic clubs' were made by themselves, for themselves and their communities
.

The comment that Macedonia is made up of up to 80% Anglos kinda says that even if that is the intention, it is not necessarily always the reality.

[Bomber]

I'll repeat this part of my statement again, and you don't need to worry about thinking too deep into things.....

These 'ethnic clubs' were made by themselves, for themselves and their communities
.

The comment that Macedonia is made up of up to 80% Anglos kinda says that even if that is the intention, it is not necessarily always the reality.

In which case what does it really matter (what the name is)?