Results 22nd May

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Re: Results 22nd May

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ball_girl wrote:Not trying to take anything away from City, but Cumby looked like they were trying a new formation in the first half, and it obviously didn't work too well for them!

Cumby came out stronger in the second half and had a few early chances, but to no avail... City were lucky to hold the 2-0 I think, Im not saying Cumby would've won the game, but they were unlucky not to get at least one goal back!
I got the impression they did look uncomfortable. They did threaten a lot in the 2nd half.

Ironically City had 11.5 players the goalie was a field player who did a good job but the city defense rallied quite well on each occasion and nullified most attacks (in particular the 2nd half) when the pressure got turned on, I assume they reverted back to their normal formation hence the added pressure.

I would like to add the city girls are mostly new together (and young) and like always it does take time for confidence and anticipation to really show so I think there is still a fair bit of growing possible there.

Also the conditions were shocking and as the game before it the majority of the goals were at one end of the field (into the wind). I didn't stay for prems (too wet) were the goals evenly spread?
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Personally, I don't see an issue with a team in the rebuilding phase getting done, swings and roundabouts really.
I don't think it necessary to go that hard on any team even if you are capable of it though.
let some players get their hat-tricks etc but 10 to one player is BS (no disrespect to the player) I think it is a coaching decision.

What was gained GD? pfft
Under 7's or 8's maybe but its an adult league, you can not expect a team to take their foot of the pedal and feel sorry for the other team, thats rediculous, almost as rediculous as actually winning 20 - 0

Yes I see a major problem in this match but the problem clearly isnt Olympic having a killer mentality, unless they took the piss on the field, thats uncalled for.
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FFSA keep saying that State league and Prems it's all "elite" football ( :lol: :lol: :lol: ) but obviously they have NO IDEA. Whoever makes these stupid policies is a clown. How hard is it, FFSA!!??

Don't mean any disrespect for State club but they are nowhere near prem level and they should not be all put in the same category.

Last year FFSA scr3w3d up with Para Hills and even worse with C'town, this year they promised an 8 team comp in the Prems, couldn't deliver and now this is what is left.

South are not ready yet. One day if they stick together they can become good, but how can they stick together if all they experience is humiliation??? :shock: It's a joke that they have to get killed like that, and it's all because of goal difference. The league itself becomes BS with all the teams having to destroy the Panthers to keep up their goal average. When will FFSA start to understand? It's been years now!!! Stop with this cr@ap, nobody likes it. :twisted:

Do you think Olympic actually enjoy winning 20 nil? The only one gaining is R. Quigley who can feel like a star scoring ten goals and winning the goal scoring award, but I'm sure nobody likes to play games like that. What a joke.

I would like to see the goals scored against South Adelaide not counting towards the goal difference. Simple and fair. All teams get the points but no goals are recorded vs them. So the various Olympic, AC, Metro etc. will actually play them trying new things, using reserves, or at least they won't actually have to go out and smash them because of the ladder. FFSA actually have the power to change things, like they made some changes in the past in mid-year. Everyone would agree with a change like this one, so hopefully they'll do something when they read this post...
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I agree with Paul....

This is the Premier league the highest league in South Australia...These teams shouldnt take pity on other teams...You go out ther to win at all costs...

Do you think that Brisbane roar womens team should lighten up on Adelaide United just because they keep getting beaten....Same thing here....

Do you think that Adelaide City or Metro Stars in the Mens competition would go easy on a team that has just been promoted....No they wouldnt so why should the womens teams....

In saying that Olympic didnt have their strongest team on the pitch either....R. Walsh, O. Robinson and A. Faul all were not playing as well as only having 10 players from about the 30 min mark from in the first half... and yes we did have a couple of our Reserves playing in the match as well....
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no team should be taking it easy on any team. You don't see ppl asking teams to take it easy on the gold coast in the afl. These girls will learn a lot from getting thumped in their first year and remember they almost got a point against Fulham in rd 1. Although it doesn't look good for the league it's all part of the game.
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It's been said before, but I'll say it again, a team of champions will never beat a champion team. Cumby have all the names but can't beat City when it comes down to the game. Maybe if these new star players could train at least once a week, the team could've beaten City on the weekend. If Cumby don't beat Olympic next week with Wallace out what was the point of bringing these players to the club.
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Especially since it had caused several players to leave, one such striker who is now regularly scoring for metro, who is above cumby and HAS beaten Olympic. Not the players, it's the club.
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i thought we did ok (toros) against cumby in the cup.
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lfc#19 wrote:If Cumby don't beat Olympic next week with Wallace out what was the point of bringing these players to the club.
To finish third?
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pc9999 wrote:
lfc#19 wrote:If Cumby don't beat Olympic next week with Wallace out what was the point of bringing these players to the club.
To finish third?
Technically this would be an improvement of three positions on the ladder going by last year's results (you could argue it's four as there are now seven teams in the premier league). Any jump in the ladder is classified as an improvement so third would be an exceptional improvement for Cumberland and any other team that may have been in the same position.
When you start to break things down, yesterday's game against City was the first time all the new players have actually played together. It was Fimmano's first game in probably five months and Calder was returning from injury which she picked up against Fulham. You are all going on about how Olympic have lots of "star" players and judging by the line up, you believe Cumberland’s is superior to Olympics. Yes, this may be true however - they have had one game to play together. Olympic have now had seven plus all the games in preseason which could actually be an extra five or so. Not to mention the training sessions or team bonding that may have occurred during those weeks. When Olympic first started playing, they didn't play as a team. It's taken them this long to finally start playing as a team so isn't it a bit unfair to be expecting the same from Cumberland but within only a week of playing together?
Another example is Metro. They used to have the best team on paper for a number of years, but did they win the league? No. They are now starting to be a force after what, two, three, maybe four years?

In previous years Cumberland has been a team of talented but inexperienced youth. I am not saying that in a derogatory way either. But what they lacked was the two or three experienced players who have played W-League or in National teams; players that can assist in the development of the younger players. Despite this, some of the players that Cumberland have developed have been poached by other clubs i.e. Ellie Chapman, Amy and Lauren Chilvers, Greta French-Kennedy etc. You may debate that these players weren't 'poached' but instead were going to a place where the grass appeared to be greener - a more successful team, however therein lies the problem. For those players to stay, Cumberland needed to be successful. For Cumberland to be successful, they needed to have a few experienced players in the team. But now that they have these experienced players, other players’ positions are being lost and hence, they are unhappy and moving to other clubs.
Fact: No one likes losing.
Fact: No one likes losing their position to a renowned player for the price of being successful.

So where is the answer? Yes, Cumberland can develop as many players as they like but they will still be young. Who will be experienced enough to volunteer their leadership and mentor these young, upcoming players? Experience takes years to form and at the moment, the only place Cumberland could get this experience was from other clubs.

Funnily enough, when Adelaide United had all these imports at the beginning of last season, no one jumped on the 'hate wagon' until they gave them a chance to train and play together. Why not give Cumberland the same chance to prove themselves?
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No one "hates" Cumberland, but IMO they just made a joke of themselves. From "all about development" to "all about winning" with star players who take the spot of others without even training!!!
You can see this thing from many angles, but are these "stars" going there because they want to or just because they can't go to other clubs and because there they let them run the show?
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Best thing they can do to "redeem" themselves is to beat Olympic this week. Will definitely go to watch that one, will be a cracker. An absolute must win for Cumby.
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To use an old quote, " a star team will always do better then a team of stars " says it all. A lot of times,if the team of stars dont get the results immediately, ( particularly if they didnt have a pre season together )they find it hard to keep all the players together. It is those teams who are able to keep those star players together, long enough until they gel,that do become successful. Good luck.
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Spurs23 wrote:Especially since it had caused several players to leave, one such striker who is now regularly scoring for metro, who is above cumby and HAS beaten Olympic. Not the players, it's the club.
I think you will find the current direction of the club is just one persons personal agenda and ego not the clubs.
In fact the Club or more specifically the committee would be quite unaware of the tangle they have unwittingly got themselves into.

Slazenger your post is quite fascinating but wallpapers over some massive cracks!
Worthy of more comment but maybe a separate detailed topic to be posted later!
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Committee should be on top of this development. Having an astute president who's daughter is one of the " star palyers " you would expect committee is well informed about any development of the premier team and in particular about the dealings of the senior coach. Anyway hope the team will do cumby proud.
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sharp-shooter wrote:Voldemort

Committee should be on top of this development. Having an astute president who's daughter is one of the " star palyers " you would expect committee is well informed about any development of the premier team and in particular about the dealings of the senior coach. Anyway hope the team will do cumby proud.

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“should be’ and “you would expect” are not very convincing!
No doubt the Pres is very astute no one doubts it for sure, as I'm sure the committee are astute too!

So you can confirm the Senior Coach went to the committee at the start of the year and said we are going to recruit 6 or more players because the players we have aren’t good enough. These recruited players won’t have to pay fees or train more than once a week less in some cases. This will mean 10 or more paying/training Cumby club players who played Prems and or Reserves will walk.

The committee said yeah great plan go for it???

I'm finding that a little hard to believe.
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sharp-shooter wrote:Voldemort

Committee should be on top of this development. Having an astute president who's daughter is one of the " star palyers " you would expect committee is well informed about any development of the premier team and in particular about the dealings of the senior coach. Anyway hope the team will do cumby proud.

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“should be’ and “you would expect” are not very convincing!
No doubt the Pres is very astute no one doubts it for sure, as I'm sure the committee are astute too!

So you can confirm the Senior Coach went to the committee at the start of the year and said we are going to recruit 6 or more players because the players we have aren’t good enough. These recruited players won’t have to pay fees or train more than once a week less in some cases. This will mean 10 or more paying/training Cumby club players who played Prems and or Reserves will walk.

The committee said yeah great plan go for it???
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Voldemort

What i am saying is that a senior coach has to report back to the committee to inform the committee about his plans to recruit new players and the committee has to agree before it happens. If this was not happening at cumby i would agree with you that there is a personal agenda behind all this.

Just to clarify i do not have any involvement with the club, players or officials.
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sharp-shooter wrote:Voldemort

What i am saying is that a senior coach has to report back to the committee to inform the committee about his plans to recruit new players and the committee has to agree before it happens. If this was not happening at cumby i would agree with you that there is a personal agenda behind all this.

Just to clarify i do not have any involvement with the club, players or officials.

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If you have no involvement with the club, players or officials how do you know with such clarity that the senior coach has to report back to the committee to inform the committee about his plans to recruit new players and the committee has to agree before it happens?

From that I can only infer that the recruitment of players for no fees/no training and loss of established paying club players is deliberate and sanctioned strategy by the committee…wow!

That’s an amazing admission on the direction the club is taking, no offence but I’d probably rather have that confirmed by someone who is involved with the club.
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Voldemort

This was normal procedure in the past with clubs i was personally involved and i would think this is still a current procedure most clubs will follow.

Seems you are close to the club. Ask your president maybe you get the answers?
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So.. I went and watched the City v Cumby game - yes, the presidents daughter was the "star player" that day but somehow I don't think the president has nor wants a say in what happens on the field/ who plays for Cumberland. At the end of the day as long as every single player wearing the green & white play with heart & give 110% does it really matter how much they train or if they train?
Are people/players going to be pi55ed off? Yes.. But the truth is - the whole world is just one big pi55ed place & u can't keep everybody happy.
What about the girls who had their a55' sat on the bench coz Adelaide united flew imports in?? Retired - wasn't ur daughter on the bench due to this????
- did anyone mention the fact South Adelaide were willing to pay players to play for them? I know Renée Harrison was offered Quite a bit to play for them..
- did anyone mention the fact that Olympic girls did all of pre-season yet their position was given to others who never did pre-season?? I know that's one reason Kiki Courtidis left Olympic.
The list goes on - but everyone needs to remember, Every club is run differently. If each and every club went by the same set of rules - then we wouldn't have a league. Everybody has an opinion which is fine but don't pick on the little issues when the big issues are that 1) there's only 7 teams in prems
2) AU haven't won a game in 2 seasons
3) What's even going on with AU???
Coz when u speak about the "superstars" aka Vic & Ange - they need to play club which is what the national coach has said & also EVERY club had the opportunity to allow these girls to play at their club. So let it rest, it's not worth it!!!!
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sharp-shooter wrote:Voldemort

This was normal procedure in the past with clubs i was personally involved and i would think this is still a current procedure most clubs will follow.

Seems you are close to the club. Ask your president maybe you get the answers?
To summarise you have no knowledge and no idea of actual circumstances other than past unrelated club experience.


In another words its just your opinion, absolutely nothing wrong with that, just my opinion too but mine with just a little hint of insider knowledge :wink:
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Voldemort

And who said i had any knowledge ? Just responding to your concern. And if, as you said ,you have some internal knowledge challenge your committee and president. Good Luck !
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# 10 wrote:So.. I went and watched the City v Cumby game - yes, the presidents daughter was the "star player" that day but somehow I don't think the president has nor wants a say in what happens on the field/ who plays for Cumberland. At the end of the day as long as every single player wearing the green & white play with heart & give 110% does it really matter how much they train or if they train?
Are people/players going to be pi55ed off? Yes.. But the truth is - the whole world is just one big pi55ed place & u can't keep everybody happy.
What about the girls who had their a55' sat on the bench coz Adelaide united flew imports in?? Retired - wasn't ur daughter on the bench due to this????
- did anyone mention the fact South Adelaide were willing to pay players to play for them? I know Renée Harrison was offered Quite a bit to play for them..
- did anyone mention the fact that Olympic girls did all of pre-season yet their position was given to others who never did pre-season?? I know that's one reason Kiki Courtidis left Olympic.
The list goes on - but everyone needs to remember, Every club is run differently. If each and every club went by the same set of rules - then we wouldn't have a league. Everybody has an opinion which is fine but don't pick on the little issues when the big issues are that 1) there's only 7 teams in prems
2) AU haven't won a game in 2 seasons
3) What's even going on with AU???
Coz when u speak about the "superstars" aka Vic & Ange - they need to play club which is what the national coach has said & also EVERY club had the opportunity to allow these girls to play at their club. So let it rest, it's not worth it!!!!
gee...a bit sensitive, aren't we? :lol:
What a mentality though! Basically you are saying no matter if players train, are treated equally etc., as long as they play for you and bring you results...Sorry but your attitude disgusts me and it's the same attitude A. United had and look where they are now. Remember that if those players play for Cumberland is because they couldn't go elsewhere...Surely you know that they didn't exactly picked their first choice...Plus, thank god there are other clubs that actually care about their players and require them to train with the team.

In saying all that...they have the strongest lineup in the league and can still win the league IMO, but they have a must win game this weekend, that's for sure.
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all clubs run there teams differently. so its really up to the coaches etc how to do it. at the end of the day if it doesnt work then im sure the club will change coaches/ players , its not a big deal , let the clubs run themselves its nobodys business but there own.....anyway you have players that are not happy at clubs but how many really leave?
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All players should be treated the same, it's players attributes and abilities that should be treated diferently.

Would this be excepted at metro stars? No
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paul merson wrote:All players should be treated the same, it's players attributes and abilities that should be treated diferently.

Would this be excepted at metro stars? No

some clubs do funny things to win championships though
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Mate - where is the loyalty these days????? NO1 has loyalty there r some girls who have played for 3,4 even 5 clubs / truth of the matter is,
U either go where ur gf plays or u go where they will pay ur fee's.
Unfortunately that's life & sport today.

U r either a parent where ur daughter isn't getting a game or ur a player urself - it's just unlucky, it happens to the best of us.. I don't play soccer & have only been out to about 4 games in total..
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wow this post has become interesting.
I think in the end if the club allows it the players that left did what's right for them. Sad as it shows no loyalty from the club. But a club is loyal if they have a good team if they doubt it they will look to make a good team.

It all means revenue for very good reasons.
You win a lot you get good sponsors which are not only for the 1 team but the love is shared to the little ones too. They get new strips, balls, nets replaced and get to play on a reasonable pitch. It isnt for free so if the club's chase success any way they can to achieve this, good luck to them.

(that's the nice aspect to it)
Of course there is the ego factor.
I dont know about anyone here but there is nothing worse than being told sorry you dont fit into our plans... from 12 upwards, it happened in our family once, after which the kids always trialled for multiple clubs and if they were offered a spot and they were happy to join the club then they did (if they didn't want to join the club they wouldnt trial or would trial once).after which they made a commitment to the club for 1 season and one would expect the club commits to the player for the same. (so in some respects displacing accepted players is 2 bites of the cherry by the club, we'll take you until someone better comes along. Clubs with this mentality will lose in the long run as no one will join or even try for them.

My daughters club was full yet accepted 1 more player post trials it was talked about a lot and a lot of parents were pi55ed off about it. Less game time etc but it was put to a vote by the rest of the team as she didnt offer much eitherway (good player but so are the rest)
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I dont know about anyone here but there is nothing worse than being told sorry you dont fit into our plans
Imagine waking up and reading it in the news paper, you just get on with it.

One thing I didnt like whilst working with the AU girls (as this is my only real dealings in womens football) is the whole thing is too nice. Ask Lepps what training at Metro mens is like in comparison, its competetive, everybody wants the best, the players, the coach, the club, you either keep up or unfortunately fall away.

If a coach see's a way of improving his squad he's going to take it, you may not agree with his methods and I may not agree with his methods but coaches are employed to make deciscions and win.
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