BESA SUPPORTERS SEND REFEREE TO HOSPITAL

[ManU007]

Well they won't call it that because knowing albanians they are to proud not be called something that isnt to do with being Albanian. Also therer is not enough Albanians in Adelaide to keep folding and rebuilding teams its just the same people over and over again who start the teams up

[Lucas Leiva]

I'm pretty sure SAASL don't have to accept every club application they receive. Just say 'no' next time they're suspicious it's a BESA / Eagles / whatever reduct.

And what if they call the club Marion Aquatic Centre Speedo Boys? Would they still find that 'Albanian Suspicioius'?

I'd doubt anyone external to this 'group' would in their right mind associate themselves with the group and go forward as an acting committee member to submit an application.

But I just fear that the majority of players will go to an existing club and their supporters will follow. Have to ban all associated to the club. The only way.

[Blotto]

Have to ban all associated to the club. The only way.

You just can't do that mate.... You can't ban innocent people (the one's that haven't done anything - you can't tell me the every one of the 11 players and subs were kicking the shit out of the poor ref the other day)

It's just not that easy.

Who's to say that the supporters were 'officially' associated with the club anyway... (I'm sure they are but there would be bugger all chance of proving that)

[ManU007]

I doubt it Lucas. There are a few albanians that play in teams around Adelaide and are not trouble makers. It is these select few donkeys that need to be made an example of and not be allowed to play. You look at crowd violence overseas they make them play without fans at the game or deduct them points and that's in professional leagues. So in SAASL they need to give them the chop and not allow them back in.

[totsreds08]

when monarchs played besa in the first round of the cup, most of their players were nice blokes apart from some that only played to hurt players so it would be unfortunate to ban most of the players however for the sake of the club, they should of done something to calm the fans

[muts]

A story from Sweden where the team was banned for the remainder of the season where the supporters were the problem:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/brea ... 6053261534


And back in Australia,
Some associations have implemented "spectator bans" - fining clubs who bring offensive supporters to games:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6046536027

[Blotto]

And back in Australia,
Some associations have implemented "spectator bans" - fining clubs who bring offensive supporters to games:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6046536027

How the hell would you monitor such a thing?

[mtgambier ranger]

And back in Australia,
Some associations have implemented "spectator bans" - fining clubs who bring offensive supporters to games:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6046536027

How the hell would you monitor such a thing?

agreed impossible to Police as this is Amatuer league and people don't pay to get in and most( not all) grounds are on council owned property and are public reserves so you really can't control who watches what game. I am sure that members of BESA know who these dogs are and should deal with it in their club and the SAASL banish the club. I realise that this may some unfair to the innocent members of the playiong group but it sends a strong message to everyone involved in the the SAASL that this will not be tolerated

[Jack Mehorf]

Got a little more info from a good source today on the incident. Apparently the WS boys tried escorting the referee from the field as a group, only to be met by a wall of BESA supporters who pushed the WS lads out the way and we all know what happened from there. What I can't believe is that 5 minutes after the incident the main culprits almost turned on each other after holding their heads in shame for what they had done .

You seriously have to feel compassion for this poor bloke doing his best to control 2 teams on what should be an enjoyable sunday afternoon, in a country like ours and end up in hospital.

From everyone at Adelaide Villa SC and Croydon Cougars SC........we wish him a speedy recovery and hope he's back on board next week. Chin up mate.....

[mtgambier ranger]

whether they hold in shame or not it should never happen at football gasme and they should banned. good on the boys from WS for atleast trying to assist the Ref. From everyone here in Mt. Gambier hope the Ref is up and about soon and returning to the field

[BlackBrian_7]

I am pretty sure that in the code of conduct as set out by the amateur league that clubs are responsible for the behaviour of their supporters.

[muts]

And back in Australia,
Some associations have implemented "spectator bans" - fining clubs who bring offensive supporters to games:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6046536027

How the hell would you monitor such a thing?

agreed impossible to Police as this is Amatuer league and people don't pay to get in and most( not all) grounds are on council owned property and are public reserves so you really can't control who watches what game. I am sure that members of BESA know who these dogs are and should deal with it in their club and the SAASL banish the club. I realise that this may some unfair to the innocent members of the playiong group but it sends a strong message to everyone involved in the the SAASL that this will not be tolerated

Don't think barriers - think solutions.
If NSW junior comps can do it.........

[gone]

What's the problem?
Just refuse to register any of them or any club that has any of them as officials.
Yes it's hard on any innocents .... tough luck.
They can register in Federation, or go watch Adelaide United, or take up some other sport. It's not like we're kicking them in the head for 5 minutes & sending them to hospital.

[Azzurri80]

Agreed. Everyone seems to be going on about the 'poor innocent players/supporters'..............tough frucken luck!!!
How innocent can they be if they are happy to play at, or be associated with, a club like this. This team has acted in this manner every time we've played them and judging by everyone's comments they do it all the time. I for one would leave a club the minute I saw this kind of behaviour going on and go register for a new club. So if these so called 'innocent' parties are still involved with the club, then I'm guessing they don't have a real problem with what's happening around them otherwise why would they stick around. These so called innocent ones are probably the guys who tell everyone their club is sooo tough cause they're not man enough to be accountable for themselves.

I say they should be considered to be guilty by association as they choose to remain with a club who acts in this manner. Yes it may be unfair to a select few of 5-10 'innocent' players (I still don't buy into that argument) but in my opinion it is better to ban a few to protect the safety of the thousands of other officials, players and supporters who come into contact with this club week in week out.

I personally know of other clubs who have been banned for 5+ years, and although I don't condone their behaviour it was no where near as bad as what these guys get up to. When these other clubs were banned there were many innocent players at the club but they were considered to be guilty by association and were left to cop it on the chin, so I see no reason why this case should be any different.

I don't know how being a ref works but if they are considered to be employees of the saasl aren't there OH&S issues that arise from this? Are refs able to claim workers comp? If so it would be in the leagues best interest to ban this team immediately and all it's players and committee members, otherwise it leaves the door open for future assaults and compensation costs. I for one would be suing the pants off the league if I was assaulted by anyone associated at this club after the league chose to take no action.

The league has a duty of care and if they don't exercise that right it could open up a whole can of worms in the future if further incidents occur. Many on this forum are saying that so called innocent players could take legal action if they are banned however given this clubs track record I would love to hear their argument hold up in court. There is a certain behavioural code of conduct that all clubs, players and officials are expected to obide by, and as soon as you pull on that strip with your club's name and emblem you become a direct representative of your chosen club. It is for this reason that clubs are to be assessed on their behaviour as a whole as it is a team sport, and whether or not there are a few bad apples or not it is the clubs responsibility to make sure all their players, officials and supporters obide by the code of conduct otherwise they are to be accountable for their actions as a collective group. A team is suppose to be accountable for it's actions whether it's a win or loss on the park so why isn't this club suppose to be accountable for it's actions off it?

[spoons]

ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL. words cannot explain...

Best wishes to the referee involved, and we wish him a speedy recovery. There is NO referee that warrants what has occurred here.

An embarrassing day for our beautiful game.

[Blotto]

What's the problem?
Just refuse to register any of them or any club that has any of them as officials.
Yes it's hard on any innocents .... tough luck.
They can register in Federation, or go watch Adelaide United, or take up some other sport. It's not like we're kicking them in the head for 5 minutes & sending them to hospital.

While I agree 100% with what you and azzurri80 are saying, banning the innocents will no doubt result is legal action being taken against the SAASL.

They could easily use the discrimination card and would no doubt win.

Trust me, I've been on the receiving end from one of these animals. I'm all for getting rid of them. The law however will see it differently.

[bigdawg]

The solution is simple regardless of the league taking action..... if EVERY team refuses to play them and EVERY ref refuses to do their game, they will have no team. and yes, as has been mentioned on here they will win the league on forfeits..... SO WHAT??
would anyone on here play at a club where you didnt actually play. the SAASL may kick them out for a year and then they reform as something else as has happened time and time again but if referees and teams made a stance and refused to play/ref them in ANY capacity, under ANY team name in ANY year, then these guys will have no options available to them, no lawsuits available. i for one will start now by saying i will not play or attend a game where these guys are at, there is no way i'm taking kids down there to face this sort of bullshit. so for me i have played my last game against Black Eagles, Vlaznia, BESA and whatever other name alterations they can come up with and bid you all....farewell.

[Blotto]

The solution is simple regardless of the league taking action..... if EVERY team refuses to play them and EVERY ref refuses to do their game, they will have no team. and yes, as has been mentioned on here they will win the league on forfeits..... SO WHAT??
would anyone on here play at a club where you didnt actually play. the SAASL may kick them out for a year and then they reform as something else as has happened time and time again but if referees and teams made a stance and refused to play/ref them in ANY capacity, under ANY team name in ANY year, then these guys will have no options available to them, no lawsuits available. i for one will start now by saying i will not play or attend a game where these guys are at, there is no way i'm taking kids down there to face this sort of bullshit. so for me i have played my last game against Black Eagles, Vlaznia, BESA and whatever other name alterations they can come up with and bid you all....farewell.

Players and other teams want to win the league mate. They will no doubt take the risk to get the points required playing these morons.

The refs however, aren't paid enough to put up with the shit they'll no doubt cop from this team (whoever they are in the future)

The Referee's are the answer here. If the referee's association goes to the Amateur League and says that none it's members will be attending a game involving this club, then the Amateur League will have no choice but to act when other clubs start complaining when their games aren't being officiated.

[hestikame]

Who was the ref?

the referee was Petros Katsiolakis. he is a good bloke with a young family which sickens me as to what happened to him.

we had a couple of those albanian kids a the club but got rid of them because all they wanted to do was fight and cause

trouble. how the amatuer league is taking so long to come to a conclusion on this is a joke. as for their comment he is in

good spirits i can tell you thats bullshit as he is to petrified to take this further for fear of recriminations. will be seeing today

and im sure he will glad to know that the majority of this forum is wishing him well.

[muts]

Players and other teams want to win the league mate. They will no doubt take the risk to get the points required playing these morons.

The refs however, aren't paid enough to put up with the cabernet they'll no doubt cop from this team (whoever they are in the future)

The Referee's are the answer here. If the referee's association goes to the Amateur League and says that none it's members will be attending a game involving this club, then the Amateur League will have no choice but to act when other clubs start complaining when their games aren't being officiated.

What referee association would that be?

[KING NUGGETT]

It shouldn't be up to the Referee Association to do anything, the SAASL will act on this I guaranty BESA will be kicked out of the Association...
It's putting a plan in place that they can't reform under another name thats is the key.
BESA won't be playing this week & probably never again you can bank on that. People let the SAASL do there job & give them the time they need to do it....

All the Best to the Referee, I understand his fear but I just hope he presses criminal charges against the cowards who did this....

[bigdawg]

It shouldn't be up to the Referee Association to do anything, the SAASL will act on this I guaranty BESA will be kicked out of the Association...
It's putting a plan in place that they can't reform under another name thats is the key.
BESA won't be playing this week & probably never again you can bank on that. People let the SAASL do there job & give them the time they need to do it....

All the Best to the Referee, I understand his fear but I just hope he presses criminal charges against the cowards who did this....

so do I Nuggett but I can tell you, as someone who has seen it happen with these guys before, that the referee will one way or another be pursuaded not to press charges. its a shame, but thats what these guys are like.

[FoundIt]

now i dont know your supporter base and their demeaner but i know mine.anyone whose seen blutey would get my drift. ten or so enforcers like this is all it takes and these monkeys in leather jackets arnt so tough anymore.and the reason they hightail to their cars for weapons is they cant fight for shite.laney would grab the bat and turn him into an icypole

we played a certain ethnic group from this general vicinity in a cup game a few years ago and the ref and our centre back were threatend to the extent that the ref asked us to escort him from the field after the final whistle . all us players and supporters were told to stay in a tight group while we and the ref made a hasty exit. if we hadnt have travelled with a decent crowd ibelieve we would of been like lambs to the slaughter

funny how ur tough one minute boasting about ur 'enforcers' at your club & their 'demeanour' - insinuating ur up for violence to solve problems, then the next telling us how u were run off like little lambs with the ref coz u got scared, and you banned a player for violent conduct. make up your mind.

so when u scurried off like little lambs last time, were none of your '10 or so enforcers' around were they? so why didnt YOU stand up to 'the monkeys in leather jackets'? so i take it no-one got 'turned into an icypole' that day?

not so heroic without weight of numbers on your side either eh?

don't go spouting off how tough u r then tell stories how u run off like lambs tough guy....

[sirstevieg]

Where is BESA playing this Sunday?

[Bomber]

Seems there are a few chest beaters who would say that "they wouldnt wanna try it at our ground" etc etc. Whatever!

[limozeen]

If they're not citizens deport them

[gee_kay]

Well when i was talking about banning a race I mean more so a club. Seeing BESA are the only albanian club that means them. For Instance if this was a greek club i wouldnt say ban all greeks just ban the assocaition they are a part of from taking part in the competion.

There are teams of Albanian heritage that are not like BESA in Australia here is a team that are not psychos. They actually play in the VPL which is the equivalent to our Super League.

Dandenong Thunder SC is a football (soccer) club from Dandenong, a suburb of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. They are an Albanian Australian backed club. From the 2009 season they compete in the Victorian Premier League, which is one tier below the A-League. In 2009 it claimed the Victorian Premier League Minor Premiership, winning the league by an incredible 12 points.

funny u should bring Dandy up as they were ordered to play behind closed doors aftera linesman was attacked at their ground about a month ago

[Frank Costanza]

BESA play in Div 4. There are currently only 7 teams in that league as it is because Gawler (I think) pulled out.
Given that another team in the league has already forfeited a game or 2 this season, that whole division could suffer!

I sincerely hope the referee makes a speedy recovery.

[Bomber]

Reckon - ban team period (effective immediately). Applications for future club which have any hint of team "re-forming" only be allowed if strict conditions. By that, they could include having to pay for security at every game they play, sign disclaimers if any similar incidents they wear any ramifications as stipulated within and make it extremely costly for them to compete (and meaning if innocent players are subsequently banned as they happen to be on match sheet, well too bad). That way, legally you are not discriminating on "ethnicity" but instead, prior history. Same could apply to any other teams found guilty of similar occurrences.

Basically would mean that SAASL would need to re-write parts of their conditions of entry (maybe even constitution) but would need some heavy legal experts to ensure all the right boxes are ticked.

[ManU007]

Violent Conduct against
Match Official

Pushing, striking, kicking,
elbowing, head-butting or
spitting

1 year – life

This is what the SAASL states is the punishment for a player commiting what BESA did. So what is the difference if the supporters do it.