Bobby Moore vs David Beckham

[berbatov]

[Chaos]

1) Take into consideration how many games professionals play these days

2) I think Moore was better anyway, but in saying that it is still Beckhams record.

3) Moore playing every minute in every cap is totally different as he was a defender.

4) Although interesting, this poll really has no relevance to either player and the way they played

[Bomber]

One is dead, the other alive and filthy rich.

[PhilDunphy]

played every minute of every game, that's an achievement in itself

moore >>>>>>>>>>> beckham

[mvsc]

when were subs introduced?

[Chaos]

when were subs introduced?

First sub in 1953 I beileve (willing to be corrected)
Do know for fact the subs were officially bought in for the 1954 world cup though. Trial periods leading up to the world cup is when they were initiated/ put in place

[Facts and Stats]

Where is the birthday boy.............

[God is an Englishman]

I can't strand the petty thief but how anyone who thanks this is close should fuck off to an afl website.

[Le King]

Becks any day

[BAGGIO 15]

1) Take into consideration how many games professionals play these days

2) I think Moore was better anyway, but in saying that it is still Beckhams record.

3) Moore playing every minute in every cap is totally different as he was a defender.

4) Although interesting, this poll really has no relevance to either player and the way they played

Also in the time Moore played there was no subs.

[Nice One Cyril]

1) Take into consideration how many games professionals play these days

2) I think Moore was better anyway, but in saying that it is still Beckhams record.

3) Moore playing every minute in every cap is totally different as he was a defender.

4) Although interesting, this poll really has no relevance to either player and the way they played

Also in the time Moore played there was no subs.

Maybe for the early part of his career, but League subs started sometime in the mid-60s and Mooro played until about 1980, so that's not entirely right.

However, it's a pointless exercise trying to compare a midfielder of years ago with a current midfielder, so it's doubly pointless if they don't even play in the same position.

[Old Master]

Wikipedia has the following information that should settle the argument about substitutes:

History

The origin of football substitutes goes back to at least the early 1860s as part of English public school football games. The original use of the term "substitute" in football was to describe the replacement of players who failed to turn up for matches. For example, in 1863, a match reports states: "The Charterhouse eleven played a match in cloisters against some old Carthusians but in consequence of the non-appearance of some of those who were expected it was necessary to provide three substitutes.[1] The subsitution of absent players happened as early as the 1850s, for example from Eton College where the term "emergencies" is used[2] Numerous references to players acting as a "substitute" occur in soccer matches in the mid 1860s[3] where it is not indicated whether these were replacements of absent players or of players injured during the match.

As early as the qualifying phase for the 1954 World Cup, substitutions were permitted during games, the first ever replacement being Horst Eckel of Germany during their match with the Saarland on 11 October 1953.[4]

Substitutions during matches in the English Football League were first permitted in the 1965-66 season. During the first two seasons after the law was introduced, each side was permitted only one substitution during a game. Moreover the substitute could only replace an injured player. From the 1967-68 season, this rule was relaxed to allow substitutions for tactical reasons.[5]

On 21 August 1965, Keith Peacock of Charlton Athletic became the first substitute used in the Football League when he replaced injured goalkeeper Mike Rose eleven minutes into their away match against Bolton Wanderers.[6] On the same day, Bobby Knox became the first ever substitute to score a goal when he scored for Barrow against Wrexham.[7]

Archie Gemmill of St. Mirren was the first substitute to come on in a Scottish first-class match, on 13 August 1966 in a League Cup tie against Clyde when he replaced Jim Clunie after 23 minutes.[5]

The first official substitute in a Scottish League match was Paul Conn for Queen's Park v. Albion Rovers in a Division 2 match on 24 August 1966. Previously, on 20 January 1917, a player called Morgan came on for the injured Morrison of Partick Thistle after 5 minutes against Rangers at Firhill, but this was an isolated case and the Scottish League did not authorise substitutes until 1966.[5]

In later years, the number of substitutes permitted in Football League matches has gradually increased; at present each team is permitted to name either five or seven substitutes depending on the country and competition, of which a maximum of three may be used. In England, the Premier League increased the number to 5 in 1996, and it was announced that the number available on the bench would be 7 for the 2008-09 season.[8]\\

That dirty bastrad Gemmill was the player who ended my 'career' in the UK!

[tezza006]

Moore captained England to a world cup, beating Argentina, Portugal and West Germany to do it. He also beat a Portugal side who had Eusebio and a West Germany side that had Beckenbauer. Beckham has never captained England to anything, even with the squad which should have won something.

Moore > Beckham

[El Pibe D'Oro]

Unbelievable stat that he played every minute of every cap.

That will never happen again.

Long live the memory of Bobby Moore.

[Le King]

Moore captained England to a world cup, beating Argentina, Portugal and West Germany to do it. He also beat a Portugal side who had Eusebio and a West Germany side that had Beckenbauer. Beckham has never captained England to anything, even with the squad which should have won something.

Moore > Beckham

he did take em to a world cup with that freekick against greece

[Hawkseys Double]

Moore captained England to a world cup, beating Argentina, Portugal and West Germany to do it. He also beat a Portugal side who had Eusebio and a West Germany side that had Beckenbauer. Beckham has never captained England to anything, even with the squad which should have won something.

Moore > Beckham

he did take em to a world cup with that freekick against greece

Indeed. And Moore won a world cup. Far greater achievement.