JSL - JPL

[spooky1972]

So where are the JSL leagues?

Any ideas where one could find these?

kick off times or fixtures?

[misterb]

Sure wish I new - whole saga has been an absolute shambles - we have a 27-03-11 season start date but don't even know who is in our league or where we are meant to be playing - honestly its a absolute joke. we don't even know for sure if we are in a combined U16 & U17 league - be fair to the clubs, kids and parents give us a clue. How are we expected to retain these lads next year treating them like this.

[Stitch This]

There might be a lot more teams joining the JSL before the seasons starts.

[AL K HOLIC]

There might be a lot more teams joining the JSL before the seasons starts.

yeah 10 more

[muts]

Games are starting this Sunday for some

[Dr Feelgood]

Games are starting this Sunday for some, so bottle of shiraz SOMETHING from feck fred said alice would be good/nice/ OK/ so far past pathetic they should piss off and let someone who can organise a piss up in a brewery take it over.
Give me your money and I'll deliver promises, blah, blah, blah - definition of a CON isn't it.
Maybe a police investigation is required into taking money under false pretences?

Why don't you have another beer?

[muts]

Games are starting this Sunday for some, so bottle of shiraz SOMETHING from feck fred said alice would be good/nice/ OK/ so far past pathetic they should piss off and let someone who can organise a piss up in a brewery take it over.
Give me your money and I'll deliver promises, blah, blah, blah - definition of a CON isn't it.
Maybe a police investigation is required into taking money under false pretences?

Why don't you have another beer?

yeah, you're right.
The games organisers haven't created a debacle.

[Dr Feelgood]

Games are starting this Sunday for some, so bottle of shiraz SOMETHING from feck fred said alice would be good/nice/ OK/ so far past pathetic they should piss off and let someone who can organise a piss up in a brewery take it over.
Give me your money and I'll deliver promises, blah, blah, blah - definition of a CON isn't it.
Maybe a police investigation is required into taking money under false pretences?

Why don't you have another beer?

yeah, you're right.
The games organisers haven't created a debacle.

The clubs know the rules. The clubs have had the draft JPL fixtures list for two weeks now. If they have decided to withdraw from the FFSA little more than a week before the season starts, no wonder the fixture list is in disarray.

[leo64]

ive coached for 15 years now at highest level and kids as well. i think the new structure is premature at this stage as we dont have the teams or players. from u12s down this will work jsl, but above you should stay as a,b, c, comp with 2 up and 2 down. i dont like as in 13s jsl only 8 teams in 1 group and you play each other probably 4 times each. 14s,15s struggling and u16 non event, u 17 not great . but common sense, u12s under jsl if need be no probs, but the rest need to go back. thanks
just my opinion

[AL K HOLIC]

ive coached for 15 years now at highest level and kids as well. i think the new structure is premature at this stage as we dont have the teams or players. from u12s down this will work jsl, but above you should stay as a,b, c, comp with 2 up and 2 down. i dont like as in 13s jsl only 8 teams in 1 group and you play each other probably 4 times each. 14s,15s struggling and u16 non event, u 17 not great . but common sense, u12s under jsl if need be no probs, but the rest need to go back. thanks
just my opinion

Maybe, the idea was for these players to go to other JPL clubs and offer a greater level of Football on a whole, in the JPL, while developing the other kids in a lower league, if you could call it that.

I'm sure many of these second team players would be first team starters at other clubs, either play in that league put up with it or shop around, this was not a secret, however, many clubs did not inform parents and in reverse parents did not ask. ( just like the breakaway, did those clubs inform parents of their thoughts and what may come of their juniors by doing so, we all know the answer there )

The answer here is parents need to ask more questions, get answers, and decide for themselves (with input from the player) of what they really want from the club and the game, if it's about mates and friends, who cares where you play and what for, if not then maybe you should have had more baskets to decide, rather than complain later.

[muts]

"get answers"

The people with the answers aren't communicating.
It's like getting your invitation a month after the event was held.

[johnydep]

ive coached for 15 years now at highest level and kids as well. i think the new structure is premature at this stage as we dont have the teams or players. from u12s down this will work jsl, but above you should stay as a,b, c, comp with 2 up and 2 down. i dont like as in 13s jsl only 8 teams in 1 group and you play each other probably 4 times each. 14s,15s struggling and u16 non event, u 17 not great . but common sense, u12s under jsl if need be no probs, but the rest need to go back. thanks
just my opinion

Maybe, the idea was for these players to go to other JPL clubs and offer a greater level of Football on a whole, in the JPL, while developing the other kids in a lower league, if you could call it that.

I'm sure many of these second team players would be first team starters at other clubs, either play in that league put up with it or shop around, this was not a secret, however, many clubs did not inform parents and in reverse parents did not ask. ( just like the breakaway, did those clubs inform parents of their thoughts and what may come of their juniors by doing so, we all know the answer there )

The answer here is parents need to ask more questions, get answers, and decide for themselves (with input from the player) of what they really want from the club and the game, if it's about mates and friends, who cares where you play and what for, if not then maybe you should have had more baskets to decide, rather than complain later.

I beleive the idea is to have the JPL as the 'professional' league (as in players wanting to achieve the highest level possible as they develop), and the JSL as the more 'social' league (players can't or don't want to make the extra training commitments, are capable players but not talented, etc)

Our club is using the two league as an opportunity to create elite squads. By 'elite', we mean; increased training session, higher intensity, player rotation between different teams depending on performance/injury/fitness, etc. We're trying to bring in a similar system as used by the 19's/Reserves/First team, all for the development of players and their preparation for senior football.

The JSL has no such pressure for players to perform, however, the players still have to opportunity to move into the JPL league if they show the required skill and attitude; vice versa for JPL players into the JSL.

It's not easy but we're getting there, it's all a matter of changing perceptions and old ways. Some people use the "A" team as a social indicator; "my son's in the A team (JPL)". I've been told by some "get real John, none of these kids are going to make it because Soccer is not the No.1 sport, so who cares if they're not training 3 days when school is more important".
Fair enough, for your son, but don't lump all the other kids that are training all the time, giving 100% and dreaming of becoming a professional player, into the same category. And don't take another kids spot that is willing to do all that is required, including finishing his/her school work.

Three training + one game is the absolute minimum for players wanting develop and have a chance at State, SASI, etc.

However, we can't and shouldn't ask kids that only want to play with their mates and have no real desire to go further than a Sunday game, to train anymore than twice per week. Hence the two league set up; JSL & JPL.

[Željko Jurin]

Agree totally JD especially the last 4 paragraphs, and I started doing it last year, always got the same 5 or 6 to the 3rd session, which I and they loved because it was a higher intensity with less kids

But......the problem lies that parents who have a son that wants the 'social' aspect of it, is best friends with players who want that extra, and want to play with them, and if they don't get it, it's ALL the clubs fault .....

[Dr Feelgood]

Games are starting this Sunday for some....

No they are not. Junior calendar starts on 27/3.

[best]

the scheduel requires redoing as all breakaway teams must play jsl

[Dr Feelgood]

the scheduel requires redoing as all breakaway teams must play jsl

Parents at your club paying $800+ to play in a 'social' league with no pathway.

And lucky your U15s didn't win the Man Utd Cup, cos they wouldn't be going anywhere anyway.

[canayon]

the scheduel requires redoing as all breakaway teams must play jsl

Parents at your club paying $800+ to play in a 'social' league with no pathway.

And lucky your U15s didn't win the Man Utd Cup, cos they wouldn't be going anywhere anyway.

That's true!!!

[best]

my club is youre club

[clubman]

Parents at your club paying $800+ to play in a 'social' league with no pathway.

I AGREE WITH DOC CCS PLAYING FFSA 'social' league with no pathway.

[frustrated]

here is a new perpective, my son plays for 16s plympton as he only wants to play and enjoy the game not take i to serious as he knows he is not at the required level. he will now i believe need to play against nlue eagles, adel city, cumberland, etc, he is now considering not playing at all as what enjoyment is he going to get out of bieng beaten easily by far superior players every week, not sue this was the intention of this league in the outset, break away clubs need to pull their heads in I think

[AL K HOLIC]

so from what I hear it is a done deal, 8 clubs are not playing under the FFSA and their JNRS are in the JSL.

ABE
ENFIELD
CAMPBELLTOWN
W STRIKERS
OLYMPIC
W ADELAIDE
CUMBERLAND
CROYDON
AC

I know there is 9 here who pulled out?

[Željko Jurin]

the scheduel requires redoing as all breakaway teams must play jsl

Parents at your club paying $800+ to play in a 'social' league with no pathway.

And lucky your U15s didn't win the Man Utd Cup, cos they wouldn't be going anywhere anyway.

Was there not 1 JSL club playing in the Man Utd cup over the weekend ???

Plympton, Sturt etc ??

[Green_Manalishi]

No JSL clubs in this year's tournament - not that that means anything by itself.

Sturt played this year, but now have Seniors so are in JPL.

They also fielded a team last year in MUC, they were in the JPL of course as there was no JSL, but had no Seniors.

[Željko Jurin]

No JSL clubs in this year's tournament - not that that means anything by itself.

Sturt played this year, but now have Seniors so are in JPL.

They also fielded a team last year in MUC, they were in the JPL of course as there was no JSL, but had no Seniors.

Therefore JSL teams ARE eligible to play and win the Man Utd Cup if they were a part of it last year, just those clubs didn't field teams this year then .....

[Green_Manalishi]

No JSL clubs in this year's tournament - not that that means anything by itself.

Sturt played this year, but now have Seniors so are in JPL.

They also fielded a team last year in MUC, they were in the JPL of course as there was no JSL, but had no Seniors.

Therefore JSL teams ARE eligible to play and win the Man Utd Cup if they were a part of it last year, just those clubs didn't field teams this year then .....

Sorry if I'm being thick, but I think the jury is still out.

There was no JSL last year.

We don't know if the guidelines changed when FFSA set up the JSL after last year's MUC.

We also don't know if JSL teams are eligible for the Junior Cup Comp this year.

[Željko Jurin]

No JSL clubs in this year's tournament - not that that means anything by itself.

Sturt played this year, but now have Seniors so are in JPL.

They also fielded a team last year in MUC, they were in the JPL of course as there was no JSL, but had no Seniors.

Therefore JSL teams ARE eligible to play and win the Man Utd Cup if they were a part of it last year, just those clubs didn't field teams this year then .....

Sorry if I'm being thick, but I think the jury is still out.
There was no JSL last year.
We don't know if the guidelines changed when FFSA set up the JSL after last year's MUC.

We also don't know if JSL teams are eligible for the Junior Cup Comp this year.

True, good point, JSL only starting this year ...

[leo64]

as i said you need lots of numbers and teams to do a jpl and jsl. there seems to be enough from u12s down but not higher. firdt pont is if kids want to play socially then the b and c grade was fine and if they showed promised and decided to get serious they could promote themselves to an agrade team if not enjoy in bs or cs grade. also i think paying 500 to 700 hundred dollars to play jpl and then same to play jsl is over the top. no pathway jpl so fees shpuld be at least half. i dont think the old a,b division werent broken so why try and fix it

[Soap Box]

as i said you need lots of numbers and teams to do a jpl and jsl. there seems to be enough from u12s down but not higher. firdt pont is if kids want to play socially then the b and c grade was fine and if they showed promised and decided to get serious they could promote themselves to an agrade team if not enjoy in bs or cs grade. also i think paying 500 to 700 hundred dollars to play jpl and then same to play jsl is over the top. no pathway jpl so fees shpuld be at least half. i dont think the old a,b division werent broken so why try and fix it

think it was because clubs objected to paying FFSA affiliation fees only to discover that non-affiliated clubs could put junior teams in a 'C' division who could potentially then move up the ranks and be an 'A' side team if they had good enough players. So JSL was to put them in a league for non-affiliated clubs and also second sides of those FFSA clubs which had and A and a B side in a particular age group.

By playing in JSL it also prevented those non-affiliated clubs from having the same junior pathway that the affiliated clubs have. Might disadvantage some junior players with talent, but there option is for there club to become affiliated or to move to another club that already is.

[Green_Manalishi]

Draft JSL leagues and fixtures were sent out to clubs on Tuesday.

Who are Central United - Have teams in U13 and U17?

[Harry123]

My son is in one of the junior teams listed above. What will this mean in real terms for those kids? Will anything change for them? Or will we just by carrying on as normal?