What do people think of the development for players

[footballs]

I am just wondering if people think the development of payers from a young age in Australia is adequate?
and What clubs and state institutes look for in players?if people think talent is wasted in Australia? and what people think the key to success in soccer is in South Australia is?

[Ginger Pele]

Development has to be the No 1 priority for kids or there is no future.

We have lacked direction for a long time but gladly things are starting to move in the right direction with a new breed of coaches and guidelines in place from FFA to emphasise development in our young kids.

The thing we cant change unfortuanately is that alot of coaches prioritise winning over everything else and no amount of PR work FFA do can change that.

Most coaches know it all and there way is the best way and everyone else can get stuffed is the attitude yet if you were to watch 1 of there training sessions you would soon realise they have no idea about a childs requirements.

The coaching courses are an invaluable tool provided by FFSA but sadly again its the attitude of "What do they know" or "Anyone can do that" with a majority of coaches.

Stand back at any given junior game on a week/end and it is written all over the coaches and parents faces about how much winning means.

How many coaches or parents clap or cheer the opposition when they score a good goal or do a good passage of play?

Bet you could count it on 1 hand over a whole season.

Things are slowly changing though in the right direction and I'm happy to be a part of that with many other good people with the right mindset to get these kids to the best possible standard they can be.

[Željko Jurin]

Well said GP, keep up the good work....

[Ginger Pele]

Well said GP, keep up the good work....

Well, thank you kind sir

Quiet week on the track for you this week

[Željko Jurin]

Getting withdrawal symptoms, actually went and watched our u12 team train cause I didn't know what to do with myself at home .....

[Ginger Pele]

Getting withdrawal symptoms, actually went and watched our u12 team train cause I didn't know what to do with myself at home .....

Arent they playing Modbury tomorrow night or maybe its the 16's I'm thinking of :?

I'll be there watching after I finish training

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I am just wondering if people think the development of payers from a young age in Australia is adequate?
and What clubs and state institutes look for in players?if people think talent is wasted in Australia? and what people think the key to success in soccer is in South Australia is?

Tell me; what YOU think is development???
It's a subjective topic.

Often clubs, state teams and institutes etc are filling holes made from players moving on, and do not focus on true development of players for the betterment of the game.
Sadly most see results as a key indicator.
On this forum there are many well informed, connected influential peeps that have a wealth of knowledge and experience in the game and the way things are.
At a guess from the conversation topics, opinions and general attitudes reflected by the peeps on this forum I would guess around 10 - 12 of the 30 in the FFSA are active here. (that I can determine).
Maybe rephrase the question - What is wrong with junior development in junior football and how to fix it?
Too often this forum will give criticism on a process but often offer little as an alternative (yes - I have done this also.)
(Many of the clubs represented here refuse to really criticize the FFSA in case of repercussions.)

IMHO - The national curriculum is a fantastic starting place and long overdue.
However it does not cater for the uniqueness of the states, territories, regions satisfactorily.
If there was one thing the clubs wanted to change (for development) what would it be?
I am seriously interested in the responses but am confident not many (if any) are willing to put it down in writing.

Zelko - What would your club want to see in this area not currently being addressed by the FFSA in your opinion?
JD - Same question - What would Croydon want to see?
Best - you too... What would your club like to see?
To all the rest of you I ask the same and ask for alternatives. (opens pantry looking for micros wave popcorn to get ready for slang fest,pops cork on nice Scarpantoni red and waits)

[Cruyff]

Yeah i'd like to know how the popcorn tasted with the Scarpantoni wine......

[gramps]

Getting withdrawal symptoms, actually went and watched our u12 team train cause I didn't know what to do with myself at home .....


You should get out to see the u/11 team one day. Some nice football and a couple of good players in attacking and defensive positions.

[Ginger Pele]

Getting withdrawal symptoms, actually went and watched our u12 team train cause I didn't know what to do with myself at home .....


You should get out to see the u/11 team one day. Some nice football and a couple of good players in attacking and defensive positions.

I think it was just in jest

[Željko Jurin]

You should get out to see the u/11 team one day. Some nice football and a couple of good players in attacking and defensive positions.

Gramps, if youre talking about Raiders u11s, ask your coach who I am ...

GP, not in jest, I did go and watch the u12s train...

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Yeah i'd like to know how the popcorn tasted with the Scarpantoni wine......

burnt the popcorn :9 so had to settle for a super fresh white bread + butter and jammed packed with twisties...

[Željko Jurin]

Zelko - What would your club want to see in this area not currently being addressed by the FFSA in your opinion?
JD - Same question - What would Croydon want to see?
Best - you too... What would your club like to see?
To all the rest of you I ask the same and ask for alternatives. (opens pantry looking for micros wave popcorn to get ready for slang fest,pops cork on nice Scarpantoni red and waits)

Ok, I'm not sure what the actual question is, but my take on junior football in SA is......

1/ there is somewhere for EVERY child in SA to play football if they want, depending on their ability...... but parents need to realize not every child has the same ability, but there are different options for their child to PLAY...

Indoor , muck around
School football
E&D
and then FFSA clubs split up into 2 categories ;

a/ clubs that take development seriously, provide good ciaches and want to produce players represent State at a young age, Senior football, and then even higher if they have the talent

b/ FFSA clubs that will provide any child and parent with a 'social' environment, to mingle, play the game, and if talented, to then be able to move to a club in category a/

Out of those 5 options, there is a place for every child to play the game somewhere and have fun, but parents need to realize that not every child with different abilities will be able to play at the same club...... but does the child really care ??? I don't think the child does, the only one that will is the parent ...

The problem in SA ( and I assume Aust too ) is that a club that gets 50+ kids at trials can not compete with clubs that scrape and scrap to make up a team and find a coach

Clubs who want to take development seriously (option a) need to train all kids atleast 3 x a week, with passionate coaches who want to learn all the time (we are all always learning, and have so much more to learn, we are so far behind Europe it is not funny)

I have said on many occasions that 3x a week should be a minimum at Raiders, but some parents reply 'but that is too much!'
My reply 'too much compared to what? Compared to what's been happening in Aust for the last 30 years ?'

Hence, if you and your child are unable to commit to such a club (option a) every child still has the chance to play this beautiful game at one if the other options

But, how do we 'rate' clubs/coaches to fall into option a ????

[Željko Jurin]

I fixed the above to now read option a/ where it was supposed to .....

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Zelko - What would your club want to see in this area not currently being addressed by the FFSA in your opinion?
JD - Same question - What would Croydon want to see?
Best - you too... What would your club like to see?
To all the rest of you I ask the same and ask for alternatives. (opens pantry looking for micros wave popcorn to get ready for slang fest,pops cork on nice Scarpantoni red and waits)

Ok, I'm not sure what the actual question is, but my take on junior football in SA is......

1/ there is somewhere for EVERY child in SA to play football if they want, depending on their ability...... but parents need to realize not every child has the same ability, but there are different options for their child to PLAY...

Indoor , muck around
School football
E&D
and then FFSA clubs split up into 2 categories
a/ clubs that take development seriously, provide good ciaches and want to produce players represent State at a young age, Senior football, and then even higher if they have the talent
b/ FFSA clubs that will provide any child and parent with a 'social' environment, to mingle, play the game, and if talented, to then be able to move to a club in category a/

Out of those 5 options, there is a place for every child to play the game somewhere and have fun, but parents need to realize that not every child with different abilities will be able to play at the same club...... but does the child really care ??? I don't think the child does, the only one that will is the parent ...

The problem in SA ( and I assume Aust too ) is that a club that gets 50+ kids at trials can not compete with clubs that scrape and scrap to make up a team and find a coach

Clubs who want to take development seriously (option b) need to train all kids atleast 3 x a week, with passionate coaches who want to learn all the time (we are all always learning, and have so much more to learn, we are so far behind Europe it is not funny)

I have said on many occasions that 3x a week should be a minimum at Raiders, but some parents reply 'but that is too much!'
My reply 'too much compared to what? Compared to what's been happening in Aust for the last 30 years ?'

Hence, if you and your child are unable to commit to such a club (option b) every child still has the chance to play this beautiful game at one if the other options

But, how do we 'rate' clubs/coaches to fall into option b ????

Good stuff... if you were to break all that down.... What would like to see in junior football development that the FFSA is not currently addressing in your opinion, and how could they do so??

[Željko Jurin]

They need to find out which clubs 'can', 'will' and 'want to' be a part of option a/ , and those clubs need to provide proof that they want to be a part of 'player development', the structure they will put in place, plans and proof that every age group will train a minimum of 3 nights, and not worry about winning u12 leagues .....

I have said it before, concentrate on 'developing' players with specific football techniques, and scoring goals, winning, and everything else will fall into place .....

[Ginger Pele]

They need to find out which clubs 'can', 'will' and 'want to' be a part of option a/ , and those clubs need to provide proof that they want to be a part of 'player development', the structure they will put in place, plans and proof that every age group will train a minimum of 3 nights, and not worry about winning u12 leagues .....

I have said it before, concentrate on 'developing' players with specific football techniques, and scoring goals, winning, and everything else will fall into place .....

Exactly ZJ,great write up

Winning is just a by-product of development, hence if the kids are developed properly and progress from good coaching and hard work then results will automatically follow