Bin Hamman assessment

[ruud]

i dont disagree, however that sort of football will not win a world cup
Bin Hammam is correct with his assessment regardless of whether it was politically motivated, politically correct or otherwise

Fair point. However, overly technical sides don't win World Cups either. Largely technical sides are beaten by Australia, England, Germany etc.

are you serious? :?

youre an idiot

Holland has been one of the most technical sides for years, but have often lacked physicality. This has been our undoing at many world cups.

Last season we played with more physicality and we reached the final

[Hawkseys Double]

In the post you just quoted, Russia thought I said overly physical sides win World Cups, he then later agreed in further posts that technical and physical players are needed to win World Cups.

But Rudd, you are correct you incorporated physical players like De Jong and almost went all the way. Proves my point.

[Russia2O18]

Fair point. However, overly technical sides don't win World Cups either. Largely technical sides are beaten by Australia, England, Germany etc.

are you serious? :?

youre an idiot

Holland has been one of the most technical sides for years, but have often lacked physicality. This has been our undoing at many world cups.

Last season we played with more physicality and we reached the final

you are the idiot champ as you've clearly misunderstood the point
too quick on the trigger there sunshine, go back to your cave now

[DOC]

i've seen it more with the Koreans, Cha Du Ri and Park Ji Sung are both strong players
Japan have the half breed Tanaka who isnt here injured, but he knows how to throw his weight around. Honda is a fairly strong player too.

Fair call. I still see Australia with a stronger side (in terms of physical strength) across the park, and I think if Australia win, this will play a large part.

Ki is also another player for korea who is learning to be very physical, which has come from playing with celtic, while being very technically sound and very good at set pieces

[Knight7]

Holland has been one of the most technical sides for years, but have often lacked physicality. This has been our undoing at many world cups.

Last season we played with more physicality and we reached the final[/quote]

you are the idiot champ as you've clearly misunderstood the point
too quick on the trigger there sunshine, go back to your cave now[/quote]


lol for someone who protests about 'name calling' you dish a fair bit out

Sad, really sad

[Russia2O18]

lol for someone who protests about 'name calling' you dish a fair bit out

Sad, really sad

the resident idiots start the insults because their brains are incapable of intelligent dialogue
i simply return serve in their language because its all they understand

if you're civil to me i might be civil back - but that is unlikely, given you are; well ...you

[Knight7]

lol for someone who protests about 'name calling' you dish a fair bit out

Sad, really sad

the resident idiots start the insults because their brains are incapable of intelligent dialogue
i simply return serve in their language because its all they understand

if you're civil to me i might be civil back - but that is unlikely, given you are; well ...you

ok, I will give it a try

Can you explain in simple terms why you are so 'angry' at Football in Australia?
Why you were happy that Qatar were awarded the World Cup - given the majority of 'neutral' commentators think it was a poor choice and in the months after has already been subject to much debate amongst the FIFA Executive - i.e. move the cup to winter etc (and given the very poor crowds at the AFC) also given the fact you have never been to Qatar and your knowledge of Qatar is purely second hand?
Why you constantly deride the Socceroos and look for as many negatives you can find?
Why you start numerous threads (also known as 'trolling) on the same subject (which is any negative story re Australia)
Why when you get things horribly wrong - e.g. the Socceroos progress in this competition (yes I know you gave yourself a few minor 'out' clauses) but you got it wrong - you can't muster an ounce of humility and recognise you may have got things wrong? - oh and you can add the fact that a winter world cup in Qatar is a 'done deal' to that one

[Russia2O18]

lol for someone who protests about 'name calling' you dish a fair bit out

Sad, really sad

the resident idiots start the insults because their brains are incapable of intelligent dialogue
i simply return serve in their language because its all they understand

if you're civil to me i might be civil back - but that is unlikely, given you are; well ...you

ok, I will give it a try

Can you explain in simple terms why you are so 'angry' at Football in Australia?
Why you were happy that Qatar were awarded the World Cup - given the majority of 'neutral' commentators think it was a poor choice and in the months after has already been subject to much debate amongst the FIFA Executive - i.e. move the cup to winter etc (and given the very poor crowds at the AFC) also given the fact you have never been to Qatar and your knowledge of Qatar is purely second hand?
Why you constantly deride the Socceroos and look for as many negatives you can find?
Why you start numerous threads (also known as 'trolling) on the same subject (which is any negative story re Australia)
Why when you get things horribly wrong - e.g. the Socceroos progress in this competition (yes I know you gave yourself a few minor 'out' clauses) but you got it wrong - you can't muster an ounce of humility and recognise you may have got things wrong? - oh and you can add the fact that a winter world cup in Qatar is a 'done deal' to that one

i am not angry - i dont do anger. I am not a fan of Lowy and i believe he should be called to account. $45 million of taxpayers money on the World Cup bid, can you tell me how our money was spent?

i was not happy Qatar were awarded the World Cup. I couldnt really care about Qatar but i understood they had the numbers and that Australia were no chance some time before. I was happy to be vindicated. I'm certain Qatar are capable of hosting a World Cup. They have successfully hosted this Asian Cup despite many doubters including you who rushed to judgement through sheer sour grapes. They have 11 years to improve infrastructure for 2022 and i've no doubt they'll do it.

i provide critical analysis not derision. you need to understand the difference. what you often engage in is derision of a personal nature. I do not troll. I provide an alternative view from a different perspective. Why should I fall into line and share the same stupid opinions as the masses all of the time? It is my right - it is not trolling. Trolling is a meme to crush free speech and dissident behavior. This is a dangerous device of control of the masses. You need to move on an cease your personal vendetta. I have a right to an opinion.

I have not gotten anything wrong. my predictions for the performances of the Socceroos throughout this tournament have been accurate. They havent played good football, read any foreign media on the subject and you will find concurrence. However i suppose you only read the giddy local stuff.

We'll see about the the January World Cup, it is my belief the political weight of UEFA will tell in the end and we shall see a compromise. Qatar wont mind either way as long as they dont lose face. They are proud Arabs and they want to make good on their bid promises. This move will have to be seen to come from them, it is only a matter of time.

[swannsong]

i am not angry - i dont do anger. I am not a fan of Lowy and i believe he should be called to account. $45 million of taxpayers money on the World Cup bid, can you tell me how our money was spent?

i was not happy Qatar were awarded the World Cup. I couldnt really care about Qatar but i understood they had the numbers and that Australia were no chance some time before. I was happy to be vindicated. I'm certain Qatar are capable of hosting a World Cup. They have successfully hosted this Asian Cup despite many doubters including you who rushed to judgement through sheer sour grapes. They have 11 years to improve infrastructure for 2022 and i've no doubt they'll do it.

i provide critical analysis not derision. you need to understand the difference. what you often engage in is derision of a personal nature. I do not troll. I provide an alternative view from a different perspective. Why should I fall into line and share the same stupid opinions as the masses all of the time? It is my right - it is not trolling. Trolling is a meme to crush free speech and dissident behavior. This is a dangerous device of control of the masses. You need to move on an cease your personal vendetta. I have a right to an opinion.

I have not gotten anything wrong. my predictions for the performances of the Socceroos throughout this tournament have been accurate. They havent played good football, read any foreign media on the subject and you will find concurrence. However i suppose you only read the giddy local stuff.

We'll see about the the January World Cup, it is my belief the political weight of UEFA will tell in the end and we shall see a compromise. Qatar wont mind either way as long as they dont lose face. They are proud Arabs and they want to make good on their bid promises. This move will have to be seen to come from them, it is only a matter of time.

The act of changing your name alone was pure for trolling intentions...was it not ?

[Knight7]

Russky my old pal

Good attempted justification I must say you write quite well if only Kevin Foley had you in his camp

Just a few flaws

1) As Swanny has already said the name changes alone were a "trolling" exercise
2) You add numerous threads the stupid one re the poor Iraqi who is bitter and has made a YouTube video that is so completely biased no sensible person would take it seriously
3) Your digs at Holger sure the jury for most is still a bit out but football in tournaments is all about results and his results have been fantastic
4) Your continued lack of humility is very obvious
5) You have shown no signs of actually supporting anything, any team or anyone, typical
"trolling" behavior so you can attack but not be attacked - unless these attacks are aimed at you where you then play the victim card

Oh and saying Qatar have pulled it off is a joke

1) It's winter huge difference
2) Shocking crowds
3) Those supporters who have gone if you read forums like Green and Gold army it's been far from fun

If anything Qatar has actually proved they can't host a major tournamnet

You know you troll, I know you troll and I'm sure 90% on here do to


You do it well however possibly just a bit too much gives you away

[Russia2O18]

Russky my old pal

Good attempted justification I must say you write quite well if only Kevin Foley had you in his camp

Just a few flaws

1) As Swanny has already said the name changes alone were a "trolling" exercise
2) You add numerous threads the stupid one re the poor Iraqi who is bitter and has made a YouTube video that is so completely biased no sensible person would take it seriously
3) Your digs at Holger sure the jury for most is still a bit out but football in tournaments is all about results and his results have been fantastic
4) Your continued lack of humility is very obvious
5) You have shown no signs of actually supporting anything, any team or anyone, typical
"trolling" behavior so you can attack but not be attacked - unless these attacks are aimed at you where you then play the victim card

Oh and saying Qatar have pulled it off is a joke

1) It's winter huge difference
2) Shocking crowds
3) Those supporters who have gone if you read forums like Green and Gold army it's been far from fun

If anything Qatar has actually proved they can't host a major tournamnet

You know you troll, I know you troll and I'm sure 90% on here do to


You do it well however possibly just a bit too much gives you away

once again you have devolved into name calling. as i have stated before, it is pointless trying to have a discussion with you as you lack the maturity.
your issues are apparent, every time i post you reply with some childish attack. you need to move on champ.

your assessment about Qatar is far from accurate, the average crowds have been larger than the A-league, what say you to that?
do you really think that a match between Bahrain and Korea would draw a larger crowd in Australia? do you even remember the crowd that attended Kuwait v Socceroos in Melbourne?
you compare Asian cup crowds with what World Cup crowds? ridiculous, i doubt you even watched an Asian Cup prior to 2007. Do you remember how many people attended the Socceroos first match versus Oman in that tournament?

your accounts of the green and gold bogan army who cant seem to enjoy themselves unless they are drunk and throwing bottles onto the pitch, speaks for itself.

i'm guessing you're one of those people that expects everybody to 'assimilate' to fit in.

[Culprit878]

the average crowds have been larger than the A-league, what say you to that?

Comparing a major international tournament to a second rate domestic one?

[Gary Gerald]

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your assessment about Qatar is far from accurate, the average crowds have been larger than the A-league, what say you to that?

Lets have a look at the non Qatar games:

Kuwait 0 – 2 China PR
Al Gharafa Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 7,423

Uzbekistan 2 – 1 Kuwait
Al Gharafa Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,481

China PR 2 – 2 Uzbekistan
Al Gharafa Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,529

Saudi Arabia 0 – 5 Japan
Ahmed bin Ali Stadium, Al Rayyan
Attendance: 2,022

Australia 1 – 0 Bahrain
Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,919

North Korea 0 – 0 United Arab Emirates
Qatar SC Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,639

QUARTER FINALS!

Australia 1 – 0 (a.e.t.) Iraq
Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 7,889

Iran 0 – 1 (a.e.t.) South Korea
Qatar SC Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 7,111

Now how about overall and average attendances??

2011
Attendance 368,187 (Before Final)
(11,877 per match)

2007
Attendance 724,222
(22,632 per match)

2004
Attendance 1,020,050
(31,877 per match)

A- League is averaging 8500 per game, pre finals which will lift this figure. For the Asian Cup to be averaging only 2300 more per game than a domestic league that has not had any finals played yet is frankly embarrassing for the host nation. Never mind all of the free ticket giveaways to the indian/pakistani workers that artificially boosted these numbers..

I think this tournament has been a dismal failure. Money can buy you state of the art facilities but it cannot buy you a love of football. Something that has been clearly lacking at this tournament. You know it is bad when your trump card is saying, "Oh, but it is averaging more fans per game than the A-league!"

[Russia2O18]

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your assessment about Qatar is far from accurate, the average crowds have been larger than the A-league, what say you to that?

Lets have a look at the non Qatar games:

Kuwait 0 – 2 China PR
Al Gharafa Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 7,423

Uzbekistan 2 – 1 Kuwait
Al Gharafa Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,481

China PR 2 – 2 Uzbekistan
Al Gharafa Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,529

Saudi Arabia 0 – 5 Japan
Ahmed bin Ali Stadium, Al Rayyan
Attendance: 2,022

Australia 1 – 0 Bahrain
Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,919

North Korea 0 – 0 United Arab Emirates
Qatar SC Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 3,639

QUARTER FINALS!

Australia 1 – 0 (a.e.t.) Iraq
Jassim Bin Hamad Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 7,889

Iran 0 – 1 (a.e.t.) South Korea
Qatar SC Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 7,111

Now how about overall and average attendances??

2011
Attendance 368,187 (Before Final)
(11,877 per match)

2007
Attendance 724,222
(22,632 per match)

2004
Attendance 1,020,050
(31,877 per match)

A- League is averaging 8500 per game, pre finals which will lift this figure. For the Asian Cup to be averaging only 2300 more per game than a domestic league that has not had any finals played yet is frankly embarrassing for the host nation. Never mind all of the free ticket giveaways to the indian/pakistani workers that artificially boosted these numbers..

I think this tournament has been a dismal failure. Money can buy you state of the art facilities but it cannot buy you a love of football. Something that has been clearly lacking at this tournament. You know it is bad when your trump card is saying, "Oh, but it is averaging more fans per game than the A-league!"

2007 was held in 4 countries. amazing how many people are still missing this point.
check the attendances to the games not involving Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam
this is the Asian Cup, it is not a high standard - you wont see neutrals flocking to matches between Kuwait and Uzbekistan. seriously how many people do you think would attend such a match in Australia?

[Gary Gerald]

OK let us look at the host nation's games then. Being hosted in only one country, all games at the same stadium with an average capacity should see the games sell out right? WRONG:

Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Capacity: 50,000

Qatar 0 – 2 Uzbekistan
Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 37,143

12,857 Empty seats - 25% of the stadium

China PR 0 – 2 Qatar
Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 30,778

19,222 Empty seats - 38% of the stadium

Qatar 3 – 0 Kuwait
Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 28,339

21,661 Empty seats - 44% of the stadium

Pretty bad for a country that has just been awarded a World Cup!! They cannot even sell out a game.. And no excuses like corporates did not show etc. That just shows poor ticket distribution which means poor planning!

They have A LOT to do before they get the World Cup!

[Culprit878]

Any nation should at least qualify for a tournament before being allowed to submit a bid to host it.

[Russia2O18]

OK let us look at the host nation's games then. Being hosted in only one country, all games at the same stadium with an average capacity should see the games sell out right? WRONG:

Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Capacity: 50,000

Qatar 0 – 2 Uzbekistan
Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 37,143

12,857 Empty seats - 25% of the stadium

China PR 0 – 2 Qatar
Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 30,778

19,222 Empty seats - 38% of the stadium

Qatar 3 – 0 Kuwait
Khalifa International Stadium, Doha
Attendance: 28,339

21,661 Empty seats - 44% of the stadium

Pretty bad for a country that has just been awarded a World Cup!! They cannot even sell out a game.. And no excuses like corporates did not show etc. That just shows poor ticket distribution which means poor planning!

They have A LOT to do before they get the World Cup!

how many Socceroos matches have sold out in Australia lately?

[Hawkseys Double]

Any nation should at least qualify for a tournament before being allowed to submit a bid to host it.

+1

[zackadacka]

do you even remember the crowd that attended Kuwait v Socceroos in Melbourne?

Please enlighten us on this game in MELBOURNE

Have you heard the accounts of people arriving before a certain time getting in for free?

[Gary Gerald]

how many Socceroos matches have sold out in Australia lately?

I am talking about a tournament here. Not world cup qualifiers of friendlies. An actual TOURNAMENT!!

You are just a sad, sad man. Got nothing better to do with life but sit on forums and argue for the sake or arguing.

I hope you find a hobby soon. Or God forbid, a woman.

Pathetic.

[Russia2O18]

how many Socceroos matches have sold out in Australia lately?

I am talking about a tournament here. Not world cup qualifiers of friendlies. An actual TOURNAMENT!!

You are just a sad, sad man. Got nothing better to do with life but sit on forums and argue for the sake or arguing.

I hope you find a hobby soon. Or God forbid, a woman.

Pathetic.

i didnt start the argument dickhead
i simply posted an article about Bin Hammam's assessment of Asian football

you idiots are like a lynch mob

[seanason]

Would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who was over there as to whether it was successful or not.

Poor crowd figures, ticketing farces, etc.

Doesnt sound too successful so far.

[Knight7]

how many Socceroos matches have sold out in Australia lately?

I am talking about a tournament here. Not world cup qualifiers of friendlies. An actual TOURNAMENT!!

You are just a sad, sad man. Got nothing better to do with life but sit on forums and argue for the sake or arguing.

I hope you find a hobby soon. Or God forbid, a woman.

Pathetic.

i didnt start the argument dickhead
i simply posted an article about Bin Hammam's assessment of Asian football

you idiots are like a lynch mob

oh poor troll

I think you have innocently started about 10 threads

[Kitchimo]

Doha is shit boring. Alot of people stayed in Dubai and flew no-cost carriers over for the games.

If the idea of 'spectators watching two or three games in one day' is to actually work at WC2022, they need to start overhauling their transportation system NOW. There is no public transport worth speaking of, and even at the Bahrain game with 4000 supporters, it took us 90 minutes to get into the city centre (less than 5km away) due to a traffic jam, as everyone drives (and is encouraged to by the giant car parks). The road system is one dimensional, no highways or over/under passes.

That being said, I'm sure Doha will look like Dubai in eleven years time so no need to worry.

[Crue Head]

it took us 90 minutes to get into the city centre (less than 5km away)

You must be a slow walker.

[Kitchimo]

There's no footpath to walk on!

[Crue Head]

Oh diddums.