2011 FFA National Fustal Championships

[Juventus FC]

And giving the kids a chance to improve, with more/longer junior comps, not just a 9 week comp....

Comps should start in September. For the open mens we had basically 10 games on a Saturday and bout 8 training sessions and are expected to match it with players who play all year round or who are Futsalroos.

Teams need to be picked earlier, more trainings and more fitness.

[Željko Jurin]

For kids, more games, games, and games

[Juventus FC]

For kids, more games, games, and games

They do need more games. But they also need more coaching tactically and basic understanding of the game. The main thing ive picked up from the few times ive been is SA shooting from anywhere, where as the Eastern States wont shoot unless they are in between the goal posts or in the box. The other problem is we dont seem to rotate players in games and if ur a defender then you stay in defence and if your an atacker you stay up fwd like in outdoor. We need to get people like the Australian Coach out here for seminares or trainings to teach the kids or even the older players and the coaches.

[getyourheaddown]

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What the committee should be trying to do is work with the ffsa and vice versa. From my time with the committee they did not want the ffsa on board, they thought they could run it better alone. How wrong they are! The secret is to recognise the talent at an early age and keep them together in an elite futsal squad with the support of ffsa and sasi together with the players parents supporting it. This does not happen in this state. If that u12 State team had the combined support of futalSA, ffsa , sasi, ais etc they would have won and still be winning national championships.

Where is the squad of 2007 now :

1 player AIS - Joeys - SASI etc
1 player Adelaide Utd Youth team - SASI etc
2 players - training/trialist's with Adelaide Uth Youth - SASI - Reserve team Super League
1 player - Reserve team player Super League - sasi etc
1 player - Reserve team player Super League
1 player - SASI - First team Super League
2 player's - last year's known whereabouts playing u19's Premier League.

All of the players 16 and younger at present.

It is not rocket science and until the committee let go of their own selfish little ego's and try and work with the ffsa, ffsa clubs and sasi the Futsal in this State will continue to go no where.

[Željko Jurin]

I also heard every SA team played a 2-2 formation ????

If true, why didnt anyone try the diamond 1-2-1 formation, attack with 3, defend with 3 ???

[GK1]

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What the committee should be trying to do is work with the ffsa and vice versa. From my time with the committee they did not want the ffsa on board, they thought they could run it better alone. How wrong they are! The secret is to recognise the talent at an early age and keep them together in an elite futsal squad with the support of ffsa and sasi together with the players parents supporting it. This does not happen in this state. If that u12 State team had the combined support of futalSA, ffsa , sasi, ais etc they would have won and still be winning national championships.

Where is the squad of 2007 now :

1 player AIS - Joeys - SASI etc
1 player Adelaide Utd Youth team - SASI etc
2 players - training/trialist's with Adelaide Uth Youth - SASI - Reserve team Super League
1 player - Reserve team player Super League - sasi etc
1 player - Reserve team player Super League
1 player - SASI - First team Super League
2 player's - last year's known whereabouts playing u19's Premier League.

All of the players 16 and younger at present.

It is not rocket science and until the committee let go of their own selfish little ego's and try and work with the ffsa, ffsa clubs and sasi the Futsal in this State will continue to go no where.

Was this your precious team? Where did they finish? Now your trying to claim you aided their development after spending under 2 months with them?

Come on buddy your clutching at straws now.

Would love to know the names of the players that made the AIS and the Joeys squads.

I agree about Futsal SA working more with the FFSA it will make it a lot easier. Depending on how much support they provide.

[Harvester]

i am not the one slagging coaches GK1 that is comong from jim.

i have made an assessment based on performance and results if you or the coaches have a problem with that then the coaches should not be in the job in the first place and you should join the committee there needs to be some serious changes to be made for this state to go forward.

What makes you qualified to make a judgment on the performance of others? Did you go to the championships and see the teams play? What futsal team have you coached? Have you coached at the championships and, if so, what team did you take?

Getyourheaddown, lets see if you really have the balls to match your mouth is or if you are all hot air.

Still waiting for your response Getyourheaddown.

[SRU]

So Getyourheaddown, keen to rate coaches, what rating did you give the coach of State Futsal 2009 U14 Boys … 3 out of 10? … Pullyourheadin and grind your axe elsewhere … BRING IT ON!!!!!!

[Shining Armour]

So Getyourheaddown, keen to rate coaches, what rating did you give the coach of State Futsal 2009 U14 Boys … 3 out of 10? … Pullyourheadin and grind your axe elsewhere … BRING IT ON!!!!!!

Or, while you're at it getyourheaddown, can you give us your rating of the coach of winless 2010 U/15 boys?

[Harvester]

i am not the one slagging coaches GK1 that is comong from jim.

i have made an assessment based on performance and results if you or the coaches have a problem with that then the coaches should not be in the job in the first place and you should join the committee there needs to be some serious changes to be made for this state to go forward.

What makes you qualified to make a judgment on the performance of others? Did you go to the championships and see the teams play? What futsal team have you coached? Have you coached at the championships and, if so, what team did you take?

Getyourheaddown, lets see if you really have the balls to match your mouth is or if you are all hot air.

Still waiting for your response Getyourheaddown.

Still waiting.

[Pommy09]

i have made an assessment based on performance and results if you or the coaches have a problem with that then the coaches should not be in the job in the first place and you should join the committee there needs to be some serious changes to be made for this state to go forward.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

What makes you qualified to make a judgment on the performance of others? Did you go to the championships and see the teams play? What futsal team have you coached? Have you coached at the championships and, if so, what team did you take?

the above is quoted from earlier on.

i was at the championships but i only got to see the u/13 girls and u/12 boys play
i agree with 8.5 for the girls but u/12boys should be between 4 to 5 for making Q/F even though they lost 15-0 to nsw thunder who ended up winning the final

[Barney Rubble]

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What the committee should be trying to do is work with the ffsa and vice versa. From my time with the committee they did not want the ffsa on board, they thought they could run it better alone. How wrong they are! The secret is to recognise the talent at an early age and keep them together in an elite futsal squad with the support of ffsa and sasi together with the players parents supporting it. This does not happen in this state. If that u12 State team had the combined support of futalSA, ffsa , sasi, ais etc they would have won and still be winning national championships.

Where is the squad of 2007 now :

1 player AIS - Joeys - SASI etc
1 player Adelaide Utd Youth team - SASI etc
2 players - training/trialist's with Adelaide Uth Youth - SASI - Reserve team Super League
1 player - Reserve team player Super League - sasi etc
1 player - Reserve team player Super League
1 player - SASI - First team Super League
2 player's - last year's known whereabouts playing u19's Premier League.

All of the players 16 and younger at present.

It is not rocket science and until the committee let go of their own selfish little ego's and try and work with the ffsa, ffsa clubs and sasi the Futsal in this State will continue to go no where.

Was this your precious team? Where did they finish? Now your trying to claim you aided their development after spending under 2 months with them?

Come on buddy your clutching at straws now.

Would love to know the names of the players that made the AIS and the Joeys squads.

I agree about Futsal SA working more with the FFSA it will make it a lot easier. Depending on how much support they provide.

Herein lies part of the problem IMHO

Is/was Nathan involved this year at all ?

[Humör]

getyourheaddown -
- is success simply measured on paper?
-chief, you would be surprised at how close SA teams came to achieving more than what is written down.
- As stated before SA mens team was the only team to beat Victoria in regulation time. They were competitive against Southern NSW and ACT, and came across a very technically and tactically sound NSW Thunder squad. if you know the sport, youd understand that a lot can change in minutes - just see the mens final period of extra time.
- Why are some people in this state so quick to attack their own teams? why not ask how they played, were they competitive? Did the boys and girls learn from this experience enough to come back next year understanding what it takes to further develop.
-Keep in mind this is the 2nd time a mens team has gone in recent years, competing against well tuned east coast teams that have Australian National Representatives!
-The fact that the Australian coach took an hour of his time to explain aspects of the game to the mens team, and what is involved in the national setup shows he has faith in the SA program.
-As for a year round competition, unfortunately with population base and with most players coming from outdoor, it may take a little longer to get where the eastern states are (but im sure futsal can be seen as a compliment to the outdoor game).
-Congrats to many SA teams that proved to themselves they can compete with other states.

[GK1]

Well said humor. covered all points.

[dinozoff]

getyourheaddown -
- is success simply measured on paper?
-chief, you would be surprised at how close SA teams came to achieving more than what is written down.
- As stated before SA mens team was the only team to beat Victoria in regulation time. They were competitive against Southern NSW and ACT, and came across a very technically and tactically sound NSW Thunder squad. if you know the sport, youd understand that a lot can change in minutes - just see the mens final period of extra time.
- Why are some people in this state so quick to attack their own teams? why not ask how they played, were they competitive? Did the boys and girls learn from this experience enough to come back next year understanding what it takes to further develop.
-Keep in mind this is the 2nd time a mens team has gone in recent years, competing against well tuned east coast teams that have Australian National Representatives!
-The fact that the Australian coach took an hour of his time to explain aspects of the game to the mens team, and what is involved in the national setup shows he has faith in the SA program.
-As for a year round competition, unfortunately with population base and with most players coming from outdoor, it may take a little longer to get where the eastern states are (but im sure futsal can be seen as a compliment to the outdoor game).
-Congrats to many SA teams that proved to themselves they can compete with other states.

And what was tony's opinion on what he had to say?

[Željko Jurin]

getyourheaddown -
- Why are some people in this state so quick to attack their own teams? why not ask how they played, were they competitive? Did the boys and girls learn from this experience enough to come back next year understanding what it takes to further develop.
Will Futsal SA give these kids more of a chance to develop, rather then just a 9 week comp ??
-As for a year round competition, unfortunately with population base ????? and with most players coming from outdoor, it may take a little longer to get where the eastern states are (but im sure futsal can be seen as a compliment to the outdoor game).
I guarantee you atleast 99.9% of the kids that play futsal all year round in the eastern states, also play outdoor. I think alot of coaches would train kids 2x a week plus 1 futsal night
-Congrats to many SA teams that proved to themselves they can compete with other states.And with more help and opporutnities, I'm sure they could do even better.

[lb]

The kids in the eastern states do not play futsal all year round, that is a myth. The NSW league is a 14 game league. Once the outdoor starts up their kids won't step on a futsal court until the next summer. Their state teams are also only selected in November and have about a dozen sessions together. However, the quality of those sessions would be ten times better than what SA kids get. Training and playing more will help but if it remains at the same quality then don't expect to see any large improvements.

[getyourheaddown]

Well said lb, i know its a myth also, so does everyone else at FutsalSA but they still use it as a lame excuse for the failure of this state at the Nationals year after year after year. We have the talent in this State but we do not have the talent "pool" of the eastern states.

The majority of the coaching here is of inferior quality to that in the eastern states. The coaches need coaching / developing BUT unfortunately the "self appointed" head coach must NOT see this as his responsibility. There is very little if nothing at all in this area. What has it been 1 weekend in the last 4-5years of coaching the coaches. Even then some of the coaches had something more important to do over that weekend. You know who you are!

Totally agree with you lb that if the quality of coaching remains the same then very little will change. How do you expect the players to develop if the coaching is not developing? e.g We have the coach of one team teaching the players things like how to "toe punt" the ball and playing a static defensive 2:2 formation. Where they should be working on dynamic rotational 3-1 or 1-2-1 or even 4-0 and working on 1 and 2 touch combination drills, quick transition drills from defence to attack or attack to defence OR creating and taking advantage of space.

I stick with what I have siad on another post : It is not rocket science and until the committee let go of their own selfish little ego's and try and work with the ffsa, ffsa clubs and sasi the Futsal in this State will continue to go no where. The secret is to recognise the talent at an early age and keep them together with support and encouragement of the ffsa and sasi etc. There are many benefits in playing Futsal for the outdoor player, the futsal player should be encouraged not discouraged by the outdoor hierarchy.

[Željko Jurin]

The kids in the eastern states do not play futsal all year round, that is a myth. The NSW league is a 14 game league. Once the outdoor starts up their kids won't step on a futsal court until the next summer. Their state teams are also only selected in November and have about a dozen sessions together. However, the quality of those sessions would be ten times better than what SA kids get. Training and playing more will help but if it remains at the same quality then don't expect to see any large improvements.

Really ??
So you think none of the kids at the Nationals play in the Vikings comps, that are run all year round ??

[dinozoff]

does the FFSA have any intention of promoting a futsal year round comp? im sure it wouldnt be that hard to get of the ground. like i said before if every super league club put 1 open mens team in for the first year and the FFSA helped promoted it im sure it would generate interest in the younger ones who only play futsal in the off season by the 5th season im sure you would have every club submitting teams

[lb]

The kids in the eastern states do not play futsal all year round, that is a myth. The NSW league is a 14 game league. Once the outdoor starts up their kids won't step on a futsal court until the next summer. Their state teams are also only selected in November and have about a dozen sessions together. However, the quality of those sessions would be ten times better than what SA kids get. Training and playing more will help but if it remains at the same quality then don't expect to see any large improvements.

Really ??
So you think none of the kids at the Nationals play in the Vikings comps, that are run all year round ??

I know they don't. I used to live there and I am still in contact with people who are involved in their premier league and went to nationals. In fact the Vikings in NSW are just about bust, only a couple of centres are running and they're low on numbers. ACT have no junior leagues over winter and don't have Vikings at all.

[Željko Jurin]

So you're telling us, that of the 41 Futsal centres in local Sydney that come under the FNSW banner, that atleast half don't have comps all year round ?

http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=604

[lb]

Zeljko,

I am telling you that the junior state team and premier league players do not play in winter, I am in direct contact with people involved with these teams and they have told me so. Most of those centres would run only social level senior comps over the winter if they run any comps at all.

I will repeat this one more time for you.

I have been told directly by people involved in NSW that their rep players do not play over winter.

[whistle_blower]

So you're telling us, that of the 41 Futsal centres in local Sydney that come under the FNSW banner, that atleast half don't have comps all year round ?

http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=604

As a person who is involved with referees in NSW (and the appointment of referees to venues), I can confirm that no venue in NSW runs junior futsal competitions during the winter.

The only futsal competitions that are availalbe in the winter in NSW are senior all age competitions and the majority of those are mens competitions with the odd mixed or womens competition available.

[Željko Jurin]

Ok, so that's even more of a worry then, that the best in NSW can beat the best in SA 15-0.......

[Big Mac]

Ok, so that's even more of a worry then, that the best in NSW can beat the best in SA 15-0.......

I agree, but perhaps other factors come into it.
I know of some very talented Lads who didn't bother trying out to percieved bias, some due to the cost.
Although a longer build up was promised in some age groups selections and preperations were once again very late.
NSW lads I would assume would have cheaper costs due to distance so possibly would have more try out.
Also I believe that 15-0 loss was to a NSW team that had one Lad in particular who is an absolute superstar and he dominated. Already being approached by big overseas clubs at 12 yrs of age.

[Željko Jurin]

They didn't beat anyone else by that many, and that kid played all the games.....

[Big Mac]

I will not be beaten by facts
Fair call, forget my point about the superstar then.
If Futsal SA were really serious they could run an elite Junior Futsal Academy during the off season?

[Željko Jurin]

If Futsal SA were really serious..........

That is the question that needs to be asked !

[tasy]

Ok then. Where were the talented lads then. If they were so much better than the U12 team that were selected, why no show? It cant just be about the money, right? Come on then, was last year a better result was it, or the year before? Sick and tired of people on this forum putting other kids down. How dare you? Honestly, those boys gave 100% in every game and it's also interesting how the only game commmented on was the 15-0. There were other games played as you were aware. Also, I would agree that teams should be selected earlier and also more training time, but lets not start putting the kids down that were selected by saying better players didn't come out, that's just a cheap shot and slap in the face to the kids that did proudly represent SA and they were a very talented group, same as previous years. I'm not going to comment on other State players, but I will say because I was there, our boys were professional and respectful in every game. Well done Mario Boffa and boys.