Black Kits

[Bomber]

So as I said before the refs association do not have a mandate to tell clubs what shirt they can wear.

The league on the other hand........

they have the ultimate mandate....................

I hear you had the ultimate "man date" the other night. How did that go by the way?

[Rob Lozza]

This issue is total bull shit.

SAASRA exists to serve football matches arranged by the SAASL. This is in its constitution. It is not affiliated with the FFSA and any of its refereeing associations - and by extension, the FFA - NOT by choice but because of the FFSA who until early this year had continually rejected all approaches by the SAASRA for discussion. As a body, SAASRA therefore remains isolated by the FFSA however SAASRA members can still enrol as individuals and take part in refereeing nd inspector training courses facilitated by the FFSA. SAASRA wants to be part of the broader refereeing community in South Australia as it used to be in the form of the Referees Standing Committee (RSC), which used to be chaired by the SAASRA President and included representatives from all refereeing associations. RSC is no longer active. To my knowledge, all this is still the case.

SAASRA referees currently have two shirts - black (first choice) and yellow (alternative). Until this season, any referee who wore a shirt other than black or yellow was breaking a clear and unambiguous instruction from the SAASRA. I lost count how mant times this instruction was issued at meetings. These referees therefore should have their nuts hauled over the coals by being suspended and/or fined their match payment for continually refusing to follow this instruction because all it does is create confusion and inconsistency as evidenced by the posts in this forum. This is the current farcical situation however all that is needed is for referees to have at least another shirt or maybe two in thier kit bag - red, blue, whatever! - and the problem is almost always fixed ffs. The shirts are inexpensive and now available from their current equipment supplier but no, there are some in the SAASRA who will not allow it. Two colours only - that's it. Ridiculous. This is a stubborn position to take and adds to the incorrect perception that referees are inflexible and incapable of being able to appropriately apply "Law 18" (the unwritten Law of Common Sense).

In any case, SAASRA referees have been wearing black shirts as their first choice for years. Everybody knows this and if you don't, you're either conveniently ignoring this fact and/or incredibly stupid because clubs have been notified by the SAASL in recent years and on many occassions. This is a fact. There should be no issues with field players and goal keepers wearing black however they need to be able to distinguished from each other, the Referee and the Assistant Referees. If they cannot be distinguished, they need to change. This is the Law and match officials are supposed to enforce it, just like they did as an example in this year's Reserve Cup Final (not)! (Hence my previous point about inconsistent application of the Laws and inability to follow instructions by those who should know better.) In the current arrangement, match officials should always be prepared and willing to change from black to yellow or vice versa to ensure no clash however if this did not resolve the colour clash, teams need to change. End of story. I never had a problem at Elizabeth Vale, Parafield Gardens and Tea Tree Gully whose colours are black and yellow (gold) - long standing clubs that are well managed. (There were plenty of clashes but not in relations to colours!)

And please, no bibs either for anyone and this includes Club Referees! These appear sloppy and unprofessional. Have a bit of pride in your appearance - you are providing a service and being paid for it. (Not much, I admit.) Club Referees who used to be able to wear a SAASL-issued shirt so it is not clear why this was changed.

As is often the case, there is no root cause for this issue however there is an easy solution that requires pragmatism, a bit of flexibility, some concessions by all affected parties. Nup. This is all too hard for some football folks in Adelaide town.

[To Mati]

This issue is total bull shit.

SAASRA exists to serve football matches arranged by the SAASL. This is in its constitution. It is not affiliated with the FFSA and any of its refereeing associations - and by extension, the FFA - NOT by choice but because of the FFSA who until early this year had continually rejected all approaches by the SAASRA for discussion. As a body, SAASRA therefore remains isolated by the FFSA however SAASRA members can still enrol as individuals and take part in refereeing nd inspector training courses facilitated by the FFSA. SAASRA wants to be part of the broader refereeing community in South Australia as it used to be in the form of the Referees Standing Committee (RSC), which used to be chaired by the SAASRA President and included representatives from all refereeing associations. RSC is no longer active. To my knowledge, all this is still the case.

SAASRA referees currently have two shirts - black (first choice) and yellow (alternative). Until this season, any referee who wore a shirt other than black or yellow was breaking a clear and unambiguous instruction from the SAASRA. I lost count how mant times this instruction was issued at meetings. These referees therefore should have their nuts hauled over the coals by being suspended and/or fined their match payment for continually refusing to follow this instruction because all it does is create confusion and inconsistency as evidenced by the posts in this forum. This is the current farcical situation however all that is needed is for referees to have at least another shirt or maybe two in thier kit bag - red, blue, whatever! - and the problem is almost always fixed ffs. The shirts are inexpensive and now available from their current equipment supplier but no, there are some in the SAASRA who will not allow it. Two colours only - that's it. Ridiculous. This is a stubborn position to take and adds to the incorrect perception that referees are inflexible and incapable of being able to appropriately apply "Law 18" (the unwritten Law of Common Sense).

In any case, SAASRA referees have been wearing black shirts as their first choice for years. Everybody knows this and if you don't, you're either conveniently ignoring this fact and/or incredibly stupid because clubs have been notified by the SAASL in recent years and on many occassions. This is a fact. There should be no issues with field players and goal keepers wearing black however they need to be able to distinguished from each other, the Referee and the Assistant Referees. If they cannot be distinguished, they need to change. This is the Law and match officials are supposed to enforce it, just like they did as an example in this year's Reserve Cup Final (not)! (Hence my previous point about inconsistent application of the Laws and inability to follow instructions by those who should know better.) In the current arrangement, match officials should always be prepared and willing to change from black to yellow or vice versa to ensure no clash however if this did not resolve the colour clash, teams need to change. End of story. I never had a problem at Elizabeth Vale, Parafield Gardens and Tea Tree Gully whose colours are black and yellow (gold) - long standing clubs that are well managed. (There were plenty of clashes but not in relations to colours!)

And please, no bibs either for anyone and this includes Club Referees! These appear sloppy and unprofessional. Have a bit of pride in your appearance - you are providing a service and being paid for it. (Not much, I admit.) Club Referees who used to be able to wear a SAASL-issued shirt so it is not clear why this was changed.

As is often the case, there is no root cause for this issue however there is an easy solution that requires pragmatism, a bit of flexibility, some concessions by all affected parties. Nup. This is all too hard for some football folks in Adelaide town.

Good post and well worded!

But I still think referees should be wearing fluro pink.

[KING NUGGETT]

Great Post Rob but lets face it football in this state is a joke from the top to the bottom. The FFSA & its current management has done nothing to fix the problem now for years , they just took there ball & went home. Until the situation is resolved between the FFSA, SAASL & E&D football in this state will continue to be a absolute joke at the adminastration level.

[Rob Lozza]

I'm ok with fluoro pink.

[Brian_7]

I'm ok with fluoro pink.

At least that it is a colour that wouldn't clash with the majority of other strips!

[The Fountain]

I'm ok with fluoro pink.

Now that you've hung up the whistle!

[tony the bricklayer]

can you still wear black shorts?

[God is an Englishman]

Is it official yet that these teams can't wear black this season?

[Big G]

the only issue i see here is that more time needs to be given to clubs to change. Vikings only just had brand new black tops last year, and to be told this year we need new ones is a bit rough. What about any team that had black tops produced just before this decision?

"the blacks" is a tough one.

Personally, if it isn't broken, don't try fix it.

[TheWingBack]

I still think it is easier to give the refs a special colour top, like bright pink, which no else has and then put it into the SAASL rules that no club can use that colour. This would be cheaper, easier and non-confrontational with clubs who already wear black or some black. After all where would the line be in how much black a team could have on their shirts, shorts, socks?

The refs could also have their other coloured tops but the pink would be the trump card.

[Brian_7]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

[guti]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

We did it last year against Pembroke, and we will have 4/5 playing against Unley as well.

My understanding is that it was 6 teams with AU which will be some form of record. Hawkesy will struggle to be selected in our strongest 66, though. The B Grade coach will see to that.

[Jay Walking]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

Legal ground?? If the referee refuses to play the match, are you going to take him to court to get him to play it?

[God is an Englishman]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

As I have told you many times, they have the ultimate mandate to do it. If you don't change kits, then you clash and they won't play the game. It's pretty simple really.

5 teams playing at the same time, should be good. Do you nto have an F grade then? As for the level I play, in my time I have played in all 6 teams at the club. Not sure where I will be this season just yet. Flinders could also do it by the way.

Your traditional black kit, what kit did you wear when all the refs wore black?

[God is an Englishman]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

We did it last year against Pembroke, and we will have 4/5 playing against Unley as well.

My understanding is that it was 6 teams with AU which will be some form of record. Hawkesy will struggle to be selected in our strongest 66, though. The B Grade coach will see to that.

If I couldn't get in the strongest 66 then I would presume that I am actually dead. I was going to say had a leg amputated but I still reckon I could get in.

[Big G]

As I have told you many times, they have the ultimate mandate to do it. If you don't change kits, then you clash and they won't play the game. It's pretty simple really.

Ref would be an absolute knob to do that instead of chucking on a bib.

[guti]

As I have told you many times, they have the ultimate mandate to do it. If you don't change kits, then you clash and they won't play the game. It's pretty simple really.

Ref would be an absolute knob to do that instead of chucking on a bib.

That is an accurate description of about half of the over 50s refs that are in the SAASL.

[Wraith]

As I have told you many times, they have the ultimate mandate to do it. If you don't change kits, then you clash and they won't play the game. It's pretty simple really.

Ref would be an absolute knob to do that instead of chucking on a bib.

You obviously don't know some of the refs in the SAASL too well then.

[Big G]

As I have told you many times, they have the ultimate mandate to do it. If you don't change kits, then you clash and they won't play the game. It's pretty simple really.

Ref would be an absolute knob to do that instead of chucking on a bib.

You obviously don't know some of the refs in the SAASL too well then.

i know a few can be bad at times, but wouldn't think as far as letting down 28 players + everyone else.....

[Wraith]

THink again.

They wouldn't hesitate for a split second.

[God is an Englishman]

As I have told you many times, they have the ultimate mandate to do it. If you don't change kits, then you clash and they won't play the game. It's pretty simple really.

Ref would be an absolute knob to do that instead of chucking on a bib.

the association will fine them if they wear a bib.

[Brian_7]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

Legal ground?? If the referee refuses to play the match, are you going to take him to court to get him to play it?

Perhaps legal grounds is the wrong way to put it, however from a sports administrative point of view I believe they would have no grounds to refuse to play the match. It isn't the same as when they refused to officiate Salisbury Villa games due to safety grounds.

All the feedback that we have gotten from the Amateur league is that we are perfectly fine to play in our nominated colours. Therefore it would become the amateur leagues headache to get the refs to pull their heads in.

[Brian_7]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

We did it last year against Pembroke, and we will have 4/5 playing against Unley as well.

My understanding is that it was 6 teams with AU which will be some form of record. Hawkesy will struggle to be selected in our strongest 66, though. The B Grade coach will see to that.

We definitely have enough teams to do the 6 games I just thought that it was only the 5 games for some reason. I am sure that your bar & bbq will do a roaring trade on the day!

[blackout]

No-one has to put on a bib. (Nor should they - it undermines the ref). If the refs keep their two strips, black and yellow, and the teams who play in those colours talk to each other, to make sure one teams wears their alternate on the weekends they clash, this becomes a non-issue. Why are we still arguing it?

Maintain the status quo.

GIAEnglishman, uni has worn various strips over the last 75 years, as have all clubs - black and white stripes, checks, solid black, black with white v, etc. I've been playing here a while, so as you could imagine, I have only really ever seen refs wear yellow!!!

[Big G]

As I have told you many times, they have the ultimate mandate to do it. If you don't change kits, then you clash and they won't play the game. It's pretty simple really.

Ref would be an absolute knob to do that instead of chucking on a bib.

the association will fine them if they wear a bib.

i'll pay that fine

[Big G]

Can someone rename this topic to "Rumors 2011 - V2" now

[Bodø Glimt]

Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.[/b]

We did it last year against Pembroke.

True. I kept the only clean sheet on the day.

[guti]

From my understanding the refs have no grounds to legally enforce Adelaide Uni Blacks to change their primary kit colour.

Hawkesy you can toss on all you like about it being traditional in old mother england but throughout the history of the game in this city the refs have changed their uniform colours and designs several times.

As far as I know this year being our 75th anniversary we have every intention of wearing our traditional black strip.

In fact you will get to witness them first hand when we play iggies in a couple of weeks from your spot in the E grade or whatever level you play at. Speaking of which I think that it is fantastic that both of our clubs will be able to field 5 teams against each other on the same park on the same day. I don't think anyone else in the amateurs could do that.

We did it last year against Pembroke, and we will have 4/5 playing against Unley as well.

My understanding is that it was 6 teams with AU which will be some form of record. Hawkesy will struggle to be selected in our strongest 66, though. The B Grade coach will see to that.

We definitely have enough teams to do the 6 games I just thought that it was only the 5 games for some reason. I am sure that your bar & bbq will do a roaring trade on the day!

It's your 'home' game, at The Parks, have a confirmation email from Kev saying 6 games. Should be a good day, hopefully build some club spirit.

[Brian_7]

It's your 'home' game, at The Parks, have a confirmation email from Kev saying 6 games. Should be a good day, hopefully build some club spirit.

Ok, I was a bit sketchy on the details. I don't know how it will work being at the parks and trying to set up BBQs & selling drinks etc.