U/13 STIC 2010

[Big Mac]

http://www.mediafire.com/file/m2h3ivox0 ... Boys-1.doc

You might want to read this Goal!!!

[Željko Jurin]

i think under certain circumstances where a club may have 3 or 4 teams in the same age there may be 4 players in each which are very good. Its very hard, as its about talent identification not club representation.

Which clubs have 3-4 teams in u12 or even u11 for that matter ??

There is no point sending 13 kids out from 1 club, when only 5 (correct me if I'm wrong) can be selected from the same club
You cant tell me that all 13 are of the "same" ability, and it's up to the STIC coach to choose ??

[beskid]

in the east zone there is only 6 clubs to choose players from. ad city, campbelltown, ad blue eagles, metro stars, adel hills and nab (dont even have U12)
surely the coaches can pick more than 5 from i club?

[6]

How did all the trials go?
They should have been completed and submitted by now yes?
How did the west squad turn out JD?
Cant wait for it to kick off and in particular see how the new U12 format will roll out

[johnydep]

How did all the trials go?
They should have been completed and submitted by now yes?
How did the west squad turn out JD?
Cant wait for it to kick off and in particular see how the new U12 format will roll out

U13W selection completed; much harder this year, must be the age group and/or injuries.

Below are the clubs for the west zone. The highlighted clubs had representatives attend the four trials. Out of those; West Adelaide had 3 players and Strikers 2 players show up. Last year WA had a strong turn out of quality players.

Adelaide Comets
Adelaide Jaguars
Adelaide Olympic
Beverley
Croydon
Fulham United
North West JSA
Pirates
Toros
West Adelaide
Western Strikers
White City Woodville

I used a panel of neutral coaches, including an ex-keeper and the FFSA trialed and sent a recommendation of the keepers; Final squad made up as follows:

Comets - 5
Croydon Kings - 5
NWJSA - 3
Pirates - 1
West Adelaide - 1
Western Strikers - 1

[best]

Are their any up date with other zone selection north , south
and east.

[defender]

Now I hear selected keepers have to go for a session with a certain academy coach...
one who has a habit of only picking kids from his own academy (I'm not the only one to notice this)

I thought the same thing when the keepers had to go to him for a trail, but for u/13 north there were 5 keepers the top 2 he picked were not from his academy the bottom 2 were !!

[grumbly]

Now I hear selected keepers have to go for a session with a certain academy coach...
one who has a habit of only picking kids from his own academy (I'm not the only one to notice this)

I thought the same thing when the keepers had to go to him for a trail, but for u/13 north there were 5 keepers the top 2 he picked were not from his academy the bottom 2 were !!

So I was told...glad to hear it...I just happen to know one of the top 2 quite well... hehe

[Nou Camp]

think JD u would of been hit with the Under 13's going away, think about 4 from WA in that group. and guessing few from Croydon as well

[6]

Are their any up date with other zone selection north , south
and east.

East played U13 Newcastle State team last night.
State team moved the ball around nicely with a lot of one touch play and running on.
State team had run out of legs though, (played game Tuesday night also).
East up 6 - 0, with solid performances all round.
Good effort to both sides.

[clubman]

Are their any up date with other zone selection north , south
and east.

East played U13 Newcastle State team last night.
State team moved the ball around nicely with a lot of one touch play and running on.
State team had run out of legs though, (played game Tuesday night also).
East up 6 - 0, with solid performances all round.
Good effort to both sides.

East adelaide is the original state team that went to Canberra minus 1 or 2 players they lost to Adelaide City 14b's
then last night the new state team lost 6 - 0 to the east.
Their is a lot of questions that need to be answered.
Are they our best .

[harrycripps]

Are their any up date with other zone selection north , south
and east.

East played U13 Newcastle State team last night.
State team moved the ball around nicely with a lot of one touch play and running on.
State team had run out of legs though, (played game Tuesday night also).
East up 6 - 0, with solid performances all round.
Good effort to both sides.

East adelaide is the original state team that went to Canberra minus 1 or 2 players they lost to Adelaide City 14b's
then last night the new state team lost 6 - 0 to the east.
Their is a lot of questions that need to be answered.
Are they our best .

26 players were chosen from hundreds of kids nominated by their clubs to form the state squad.

16 from that squad were chosen to represent SA in canberra.

The 10 that didnt make that squad formed the base of the Newcastle squad, the other 6 made up of players invited to trial.

Some quality players may have been missed because they were not nominated by their club, maybe because of politics or maybe because that club has so many quality players some good players were left out.

With the new structure next year with the JPL and the JSL, quality players should be evenly divided amongst all the clubs within a couple of years, so that each club can confidently select 6 players to trial without the risk of leaving a future champion out. This will ultimately benefit SA football.

It could be the case that at 'big' clubs some kids get missed. The new structure will ensure that all clubs are 'big' clubs, and no one gets missed.

P.S. If your son or someone you know got 'missed', here's your chance to give him a fair go.

But from what I've seen the kids that have been chosen for both squads are close to being the best available.

[clubman]

harrycripps It could be the case that at 'big' clubs some kids get missed

WHY

[best]

harrycripps It could be the case that at 'big' clubs some kids get missed

WHY

Yes good point clubman just select the best . even if it 7 or 8 from 1 club

[cannavaronesta]

well i know 2 players that should be in there and a goalie .. i think there has been a coach change but no new selections

[harrycripps]

harrycripps It could be the case that at 'big' clubs some kids get missed

WHY

Hopefully this post does not get lost in cyberspace, I'm not going to write it a third time

As i'm sure you know, the present system to trial for Zone teams etc. only allows each club to put forward 6 players plus a goalie.

At 'big' clubs such as Adelaide City, who attract hundreds of kids for trials and therefore can field 2 or even 3 good teams in most younger age groups, kids that are rated by the club at 7, 8 or 9 are quite probably better than kids rated 3 or 4 at some clubs and even 1 or 2 at a few.

There has to be a cap otherwise it becomes a free for all. Is it fair? Not for the kids that miss out its not.

For me the fairest solution for the future is the new structure that is in place for next year.
One team per club in the JPL. Eventually this will disperse the talent across most of the clubs in Adelaide allowing a more competitve competition and ensuring that the top 6 rated players from each club will be more equally talented and avoid the situation we have at the moment.

Obviously the 'big' clubs that attract a lot of the better players at the moment won't like this, either because winning titles is everything or because of a possible drop in registration revenue, but what is more imortant, two or three dominant clubs or the opportunity for kids to develop and for SA to have very talented State and Zone teams?

I know what I think.

[Big Mac]

harrycripps It could be the case that at 'big' clubs some kids get missed

WHY

Hopefully this post does not get lost in cyberspace, I'm not going to write it a third time

As i'm sure you know, the present system to trial for Zone teams etc. only allows each club to put forward 6 players plus a goalie.

At 'big' clubs such as Adelaide City, who attract hundreds of kids for trials and therefore can field 2 or even 3 good teams in most younger age groups, kids that are rated by the club at 7, 8 or 9 are quite probably better than kids rated 3 or 4 at some clubs and even 1 or 2 at a few.

There has to be a cap otherwise it becomes a free for all. Is it fair? Not for the kids that miss out its not.

For me the fairest solution for the future is the new structure that is in place for next year.
One team per club in the JPL. Eventually this will disperse the talent across most of the clubs in Adelaide allowing a more competitve competition and ensuring that the top 6 rated players from each club will be more equally talented and avoid the situation we have at the moment.

Obviously the 'big' clubs that attract a lot of the better players at the moment won't like this, either because winning titles is everything or because of a possible drop in registration revenue, but what is more imortant, two or three dominant clubs or the opportunity for kids to develop and for SA to have very talented State and Zone teams?
I know what I think.

Generally agree with what you write but disagree on a couple of points here.
Firstly, you say there has to be a cap when it comes to STIC trials, even though the "big"clubs may have more talented Kids at no's 6,7,8. Therefore potentially with a cap more talented Kids may miss out.
Why cant it be a free for all?...thats what it should be. Trust me, most Parents will not waste their time taking Kids to STIC trials if they feel they have no chance. Let the Zone Coaches make the cuts.
Your answer to this is spread the talent from the "big" clubs to the weaker clubs, and we all know this was the reason that the JSL was brought in.
At my Sons club their 'B' team is full of talent, they love the coaching they are getting, love the environment, and for most of them it is their "local" club, and yes a number could be playing for 'A' teams but have up till now chosen to remain in an environment they enjoy.
As you have said, the new system almost forces them to switch clubs if they want to play in the "elite" competition. Unfair I say.
Let the weaker/smaller clubs get off their backsides and actually create an environment that attracts good players, not have Kids go there only because they wish to stay in the JPL.
The so called "big" clubs have attracted Kids for a reason, because they mostly do it well.
I know that some of the big clubs that you refer to actually considered having no JSL teams, so I disagree that money from Juniors is a priority, but I think that they will mostly run JSL teams because of the Kids wanting to stay at 'their" club.
I hope the JSL is a strong competition because if it is not some Kids may be lost to the game, rather than travel across the other side of town to play in the JPL.
I hope that those clubs that haven't had much in the way of juniors before and are expecting talent to move to them set up the right structure, coaching etc. to accomodate these Kids.

[harrycripps]

Fair comment

[clubman]

Call it FTIC Fair Talent Identification Championships
as they are not the best.

[6]

26 players were chosen from hundreds of kids nominated by their clubs to form the state squad.

16 from that squad were chosen to represent SA in Canberra.

The 10 that didn't make that squad formed the base of the Newcastle squad, the other 6 made up of players invited to trial.

Some quality players may have been missed because they were not nominated by their club, maybe because of politics or maybe because that club has so many quality players some good players were left out.

With the new structure next year with the JPL and the JSL, quality players should be evenly divided amongst all the clubs within a couple of years, so that each club can confidently select 6 players to trial without the risk of leaving a future champion out. This will ultimately benefit SA football.

It could be the case that at 'big' clubs some kids get missed. The new structure will ensure that all clubs are 'big' clubs, and no one gets missed.

P.S. If your son or someone you know got 'missed', here's your chance to give him a fair go.

But from what I've seen the kids that have been chosen for both squads are close to being the best available.

Approximately 100 kids came out last year to the U13 state try-outs.
As mentioned above this was reduced to around 25-26 then further reduced to a playing group of 16.
Were these the best?
It's a subjective process, because the selection criteria is so open to interpretation and sadly influence from within and with out the system, it was and will always be flawed.

A question ;
"What happens to the remaining 74-75 kids that did not make it, surely all of them are not that bad?"
Using simple maths there will always be a majority of parents and players that are upset about the decisions be they good or bad.

JD touches on some of the issues experienced here in another topic he just started and makes some very valid points, and by what he has posted recently on the STIC trials seems to have used the most unbiased method of selection for his squad, so kudos to him. However whilst there is this "open to interpretation" (subjective approach) plus the potential for influence from within and without there will never be a model that is acceptable by the majority. Hence the need for the FFSA to set the rules and stick by them I feel.

A second question I also often ask is "What happens to the kids who went to Canberra this year?"
Believe it or not , they were told that after the tournament that's it, training finished and see you at state trials.
Pretty crappy way to treat supposedly elite players. It left many players and parents alike with a "wtf... is that it?" feeling along with a baste taste in the mouth for the experience.
Not known to many but the high ranking technical development officer in the FFSA mentioned in conversation - "you can write this age group off after that performance, we'll concentrate on the 12's".
Most of these kids who were released with nothing more than a "good job and see you at trials in 6 months" returned to their clubs and did really well, made the AU squads and STIC teams again.

Hopefully next year the FFSA will listen to suggestions by continuing the training all year round for the two squads as a reward, maintain the player edge and give the Newcastle squad better preparation.
It is really not that hard.

[clubman]

State selection should be the same as STIC to make it fair
4 players max from each zone

[Big Mac]

State selection should be the same as STIC to make it fair
4 players max from each zone

Disagree, the State Team should be the best players chosen by the coaches and observers, irrespective of who they are or where they play.
When it gets to State level it shouldn't be about being fair, it should be about earning and deserving your spot.

[Philanthropist]

Would it be easier for zone coaches to make a shortlist of players during a season by going to the games & taking notes. If they don't play well for their club then there is no chance they will play for the state.
I find it incredible that 2 or 3 blokes can pick the best few players out of 80 odd kids by playing a few crappy games in trials.
As Clough would probably say " Go out & watch em play "
.

[Stitch This]

Would it be easier for zone coaches to make a shortlist of players during a season by going to the games & taking notes. If they don't play well for their club then there is no chance they will play for the state.
I find it incredible that 2 or 3 blokes can pick the best few players out of 80 odd kids by playing a few crappy games in trials.
As Clough would probably say " Go out & watch em play "
.

If the zone coaches were paid maybe and if they didn't have their own teams to coach on a Sunday.

[Cruyff]

The 'best' players regardless of anything else should always be selected for state. I believe the problem lies at the top end ie; selectors and coaches not having the knowledge of what makes a 'best' player. To coach at the level of State requires you to have a B Licence as a minimum thats a lot of money and a lot of time to gain that level of coaching, not to mention the experience required. How many people in this state would have that level of licence? I can count maybe 3. So already we are looking down the barrel. If the FFSA wants to get serious about this they need to 'hand pick' the coaches then take them through the necessary pathway at the FFSA's expense (not the coach's).
Wouldnt guys like Mori, Kosmina, Alagich or any other ex player who has played at the level be the ones targeted to take control of a young state team? Food for thought!!!!

[clubman]

The 'best' players regardless of anything else should always be selected for state. I believe the problem lies at the top end ie; selectors and coaches not having the knowledge of what makes a 'best' player. To coach at the level of State requires you to have a B Licence as a minimum thats a lot of money and a lot of time to gain that level of coaching, not to mention the experience required. How many people in this state would have that level of licence? I can count maybe 3. So already we are looking down the barrel. If the FFSA wants to get serious about this they need to 'hand pick' the coaches then take them through the necessary pathway at the FFSA's expense (not the coach's).
Wouldnt guys like Mori, Kosmina, Alagich or any other ex player who has played at the level be the ones targeted to take control of a young state team? Food for thought!!!!

If the best player should be selected regardless of anything else or club
then this would need to be done from STIC selection first the same.
STIC to select the best regardless of how many from one club.
Then we will see SA compete with the other states.
Fair will not allow us to select the best.

[johnydep]

Would it be easier for zone coaches to make a shortlist of players during a season by going to the games & taking notes. If they don't play well for their club then there is no chance they will play for the state.
I find it incredible that 2 or 3 blokes can pick the best few players out of 80 odd kids by playing a few crappy games in trials.
As Clough would probably say " Go out & watch em play "
.

Philanthropy is the effort or inclination to increase the well-being of mankind, as by charitable aid or donations.

Looking forward to your donations, so that coaches can be paid for the time required to watch the players each week during the year.

[clubman]

If the best player should be selected regardless of anything else or club
then this would need to be done from STIC selection first the same.
STIC to select the best regardless of how many from one club.
Then we will see SA compete with the other states.
Fair will not allow us to select the best.

[johnydep]

Is it about winning or developing?

If it's only about winning, then yes fair can not come into it.

On the other hand, if it's about development (which should include the development of the game and all that it involves; player, coach, club, etc) then there is a lot more to it.

From 2009 STIC:

2008 STATE TALENT IDENTIFICATION CHAMPIONSHIPS

COACH NOMINATION FORM

The 2008 FFSA State Talent Identification Championships will be held on the October long weekend of 4th, 5th and 6th with the FFSA currently seeking coach nominations.

The FFSA State Talent Identification Championships will feature seven age groups: Under 11, 12, 13, 14 Boys & Under 12, 14 and 16 Girls.

The boys and girls representative teams will consist of South, East, West, North and Country (excluding U12 girls Country).

The annual Championships acts as a showcase for elite Junior Football in South Australia. The tournament's main purpose is as a Talent Identification Event and forms an integral part of the talent identification pathway for promising male and female soccer players within South Australia.

Age groups are selected based on their alignment to future State Team, Development Team and high performance squad requirements. Accordingly State and Development coaches will be in attendance at the Championships to begin the identification process for the 2009 State and Development teams.

In order to support the Championships' purpose, the main aims of the FFSA State Talent Identification Championships are:

* To provide a high quality event that will act as a showcase for Junior male and female elite Football.

* To identify potential State Team Players.

* To identify potential players for the SASI and NTC performance programs.

* To provide an opportunity for Coaching Staff to interact with State Federation Coaching Staff.

* To provide Country Associations with the opportunity to monitor and evaluate their elite Junior /Youth Development programs and the players' skill in a high performance environment.

* To provide the players with the opportunity to evaluate their own individual playing skills against other players from different regions.

* To provide an opportunity for the identification, coaching and development of future elite referees.

Application Form: http://www.ffsa.com.au/applications/ass ... 20Form.doc

Thankyou,

DIMITRI PEPPAS
Junior Competitions Officer/
Media Liaison Officer
FOOTBALL FEDERATION SA

http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =9&t=24777

[clubman]

Is it about winning or developing?

If it's only about winning, then yes fair can not come into it.

On the other hand, if it's about development (which should include the development of the game and all that it involves; player, coach, club, etc) then there is a lot more to it.

From 2009 STIC:

2008 STATE TALENT IDENTIFICATION CHAMPIONSHIPS

COACH NOMINATION FORM

The 2008 FFSA State Talent Identification Championships will be held on the October long weekend of 4th, 5th and 6th with the FFSA currently seeking coach nominations.

The FFSA State Talent Identification Championships will feature seven age groups: Under 11, 12, 13, 14 Boys & Under 12, 14 and 16 Girls.

The boys and girls representative teams will consist of South, East, West, North and Country (excluding U12 girls Country).

The annual Championships acts as a showcase for elite Junior Football in South Australia. The tournament's main purpose is as a Talent Identification Event and forms an integral part of the talent identification pathway for promising male and female soccer players within South Australia.

Age groups are selected based on their alignment to future State Team, Development Team and high performance squad requirements. Accordingly State and Development coaches will be in attendance at the Championships to begin the identification process for the 2009 State and Development teams.

In order to support the Championships' purpose, the main aims of the FFSA State Talent Identification Championships are:

* To provide a high quality event that will act as a showcase for Junior male and female elite Football.

* To identify potential State Team Players.

* To identify potential players for the SASI and NTC performance programs.

* To provide an opportunity for Coaching Staff to interact with State Federation Coaching Staff.

* To provide Country Associations with the opportunity to monitor and evaluate their elite Junior /Youth Development programs and the players' skill in a high performance environment.

* To provide the players with the opportunity to evaluate their own individual playing skills against other players from different regions.

* To provide an opportunity for the identification, coaching and development of future elite referees.

Application Form: http://www.ffsa.com.au/applications/ass ... 20Form.doc

Thankyou,

DIMITRI PEPPAS
Junior Competitions Officer/
Media Liaison Officer
FOOTBALL FEDERATION SA

http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... =9&t=24777

No were does it state fair .
All the above shows select possible players.
To optain that you need to select the best possible players
for stic and if that means 7 or 8 from one club that is it.